VERSION 2.5 Vision ViVi Nova Is IN STOCK Now, VIVI NOVA Review Thread

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So just rinse the head under tap water, then dry burn? Then fill up and use as normal?

Yup that's what I do.

I like to soak them in PGA and then let them dry before dry burning... it seems to speed up the dry burn a lot

I do the PGA soak also if the coils are really gunked up.
 

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Appreciate your thoughtfullness but the more we make a product useable and extend its life the exact opposite occurs (and this is somethign Chris and I try to drill into our supplier's minds), what happens is people buy more of the product because they have learned how to optimize it, the trust that when they get it it can be used to satisfaction so they trust to buy more for whatever reason. Maybe you have different juices and you dedicate a unit to something. Maybe you have family and you teach them how to use a unit you trust and are comfy with.

When the clear CE2's came out that was a result of Chris, BR945, and others and all of us (I can't take much credit here, I was just observing and asking questions and contributing here and there) pushing MiT to do it. At first they used cheap plastic that tended to crack. We had to convince them not to fear using a heartier(sp) plastic (they were actually concerned it would remove the disposeable factor, after all these are CHEAP even if you only get 3-4 days out of one). They have seen now that more people trusted and they bought more...


I'm new to this thread, so my assumptions that teaching people how to get around spending money on a vendors product in the vendors forum, may be wrong. I just thought it was courteous. I will be the first to admit if I'm wrong, and if the site owners are taking part in these conversations then clearly I'm wrong.
Oh, as far as the wood VV thing goes, just because a PV is a bottom feeder doesn't mean it has to be used as a bottom feeder. They have 510 connections on top and as such any accessory can be used on them. I had a Phidias bottom feeder and I kept a tank on top of it at all times and never put a juice bottle inside it. Its actually a plus due to the size and weight of a wood PV the tanks feel better balanced on top of them, IMO.
 
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Appreciate your thoughtfullness but the more we make a product useable and extend its life the exact opposite occurs (and this is somethign Chris and I try to drill into our supplier's minds), what happens is people buy more of the product because they have learned how to optimize it, the trust that when they get it it can be used to satisfaction so they trust to buy more for whatever reason. Maybe you have different juices and you edicate a unit to soemthing. Maybe oyu have family and you teach them how to use a unit you trust and are comfy with.

When the clear CE2's came out that was a result of Chris, BR945, and others and all of us (I can't take much credit here, I was just observing and asking questions and contributing here and there) pushing MiT to do it. At first they used cheap plastic that tended to crack. We had to convince them not to fear using a heartier(sp) plastic (they were actually concerned it would remove the disposeable factor, after all these are CHEAP even if you only get 3-4 days out of one). They have seen now that more peopel trusted and they bought more...

totally agree. When it comes to clearos etc, even though things change frequently, I'm far more willing to buy more of a particular thing when I know it's good quality, and like you said, way more willing to recommend it to others. And frankly, this is what keeps me coming to GV and recommending GV. I see what y'all put into products before they are put up for sale. Just gives me more confidence that I'll end up with a quality product.
 

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Appreciate your thoughtfullness but the more we make a product useable and extend its life the exact opposite occurs (and this is somethign Chris and I try to drill into our supplier's minds), what happens is people buy more of the product because they have learned how to optimize it, the trust that when they get it it can be used to satisfaction so they trust to buy more for whatever reason. Maybe you have different juices and you edicate a unit to soemthing. Maybe oyu have family and you teach them how to use a unit you trust and are comfy with.

When the clear CE2's came out that was a result of Chris, BR945, and others and all of us (I can't take much credit here, I was just observing and asking questions and contributing here and there) pushing MiT to do it. At first they used cheap plastic that tended to crack. We had to convince them not to fear using a heartier(sp) plastic (they were actually concerned it would remove the disposeable factor, after all these are CHEAP even if you only get 3-4 days out of one). They have seen now that more peopel trusted and they bought more...

Not trying to be argumentative here, just trying to understand your position. WTS, I have 2 Vivis. The first head I started w a week ago went thru at least 6-8 fills, then just stopped working. Instead of buying more heads from your site I simply rebuilt the head. New wick and coil. My point is I will never buy another refill head as I can simply rebuild them.
So your position is that I am not the norm customer? Most folks will just toss the head and buy more? Thats all I was getting at before when I was trying to avoid this subject.
 

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I can't speak for what Danno is saying, but just to your question, yes, I think a lot of folks will toss them and buy more. Some folks love to tinker and mod, some don't. At 3.00 for a new head, there are many folks who just won't feel that it's worth buying wick and wire and fooling with it because it's not something they enjoy doing or want to try. Most were spending an avg of 50.00/week on cigs, so buying new heads is no big deal. I'm not saying you're the norm, or not the norm, as I said, some love to mod and tinker, some don't.
I know you didn't ask me the question, but thought I'd offer my opinion on it as well.
 

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At $3 each I may clean them but I will just buy new ones. I am by no means a modder or tinkerer (spelling). Besides I love taffy :)

The more I think about it the more I see how its kind of like a carto type of situation. Some people clean them, which can be quite a process in its own right with days of drying and all. Myself, back when I used cartos, I would use them till they ran out of life and then I would just toss them as I saw them as cheap enough that they weren't worth the trouble.
FTR, I like the term modder much better than tinkerer. :D
 

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At $3 each I may clean them but I will just buy new ones. I am by no means a modder or tinkerer (spelling). Besides I love taffy :)

I clean the heads until they stop working..then toss them..With my big fingers..the saveings..and the stress levels of rebuilding just arent worth it:)
 

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No problem--I was actually seconding your desire to have them more maintainable. I was saying that we (Chris and I) actually sell our suppliers on making these have the ability to maintain a bit and extend their life...

Not trying to be argumentative here, just trying to understand your position. WTS, I have 2 Vivis. The first head I started w a week ago went thru at least 6-8 fills, then just stopped working. Instead of buying more heads from your site I simply rebuilt the head. New wick and coil. My point is I will never buy another refill head as I can simply rebuild them.
So your position is that I am not the norm customer? Most folks will just toss the head and buy more? Thats all I was getting at before when I was trying to avoid this subject.
 

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I like to soak them in PGA and then let them dry before dry burning... it seems to speed up the dry burn a lot

I find that boiling the coils in 3/4 cup of water in the microwave for about two or three minutes gets most of the gunk off of the coils. I don't use any exotic niquids so my coil may not get as gunked up as some do.

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I find that boiling the coils in 3/4 cup of water in the microwave for about two or three minutes gets most of the gunk off of the coils. I don't use any exotic niquids so my coil may not get as gunked up as some do.

Errol

Just so that I'm clear, are you saying put metal wire in the microwave?
 

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Just so that I'm clear, are you saying put metal wire in the microwave?

As long as it's under water there is no problem, been doing for over a year with all of my vaporizers. I don't boil them on the stove because I don't know how much hotter the metal next to the flame gets than the boiling water. In the Microwave the highest temp is the boiling water in a glass or cup.

Easy enough to test with anything metal, like an old coil, as long as it's covered with water.

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As long as it's under water there is no problem, been doing for over a year with all of my vaporizers. I don't boil them on the stove because I don't know how much hotter the metal next to the flame gets than the boiling water. In the Microwave the highest temp is the boiling water in a glass or cup.

Easy enough to test with anything metal, like an old coil, as long as it's covered with water.

Errol

After a bit of thought, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the coil oxidized by the time it needs to be cleaned therefore its non-conductive? Or are you saying that as long as the metal is submerged there wont be a light show? Your avatar does kind of make me think of Mr Wizard's World. :) Thats the experiment guy right.

EDIT : now that I give your avatar another look, he definetly looks like the kind of wizard who would put metal in the microwave:-]
 
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