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VIR and other temp devices

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  1. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    va·por·ware noun a product that has been announced but is not yet available to buy, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designed. Developers promote vaporware to keep customers from switching to competing products.
     
  2. soulseek

    soulseek Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 12, 2013
    London, UK
    noun: premature ejaculation
    ejaculation of semen during sexual intercourse before or immediately after penetration.
     
  3. imeothanasis

    imeothanasis Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2009
    Athens, Hellas
    guys, the biggest problem with other temp devices is the wire. DNA choose the wrong wire and China just followed.

    The explanation is simple:

    1. You need a lot of threads to make a decent resistance, something that brings problems with touched threads of the coil.
    2. But the most important is this: Resistance is not steady on any mod. It varies a lot every time you unscrew the cap to put a new battery on it, or when you put a new atomizer on it, or every time you unscrew and screw again any part of a mod-atomizer combo.

    Explaining the number 2. better: Lets say that you make a 0,05 ohm resistance with nickel wire. If the resistance varies every time at only 0,05 ohm and goes up, the total resistance will be doubled. Its like when you make a 0,5 coil on a mech mod and suddenly the resistance goes up to 1 ohm. What will happen is that you will have a totally different vape because the resistance doubled. And on a temp control device, you will be totally out of control (wrong temp, very low smoke-hit)

    Now with titanium: Lets say that you make a resistance at 0,7 ohm. If the resistance goes up at 0,05 ohm because of mod's connections, the total resistance will go up at about less than 10%, something that will affect resistance for less than 10%

    Same things will happen if resistance will go down. The result will be burned taste, burned wick, temp out of control
     
  4. imeothanasis

    imeothanasis Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2009
    Athens, Hellas
    and sorry that I didnt reply earlier, but I am on Easter vacations :)
     
  5. FogNL

    FogNL Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 25, 2013
    Amsterdam
    Agree Imeo, Nickel does looks like the wrong wire for temp controlled vaping. The extremely low resistances are just too sensitive. The smallest change in the chain of parts between the boards' output terminal and the coil causes problems in accurate temp readings. And nickel is a pain in the a*s to work with too.

    Fortunately, the industry moves on quickly. And the innovation seems to come from Europe. Of course VIR from Greece and yesterday I vaped on a beta proto from Dicodes (Germany). Their temp protected board is rated at 40Watts and works with Nickel, Ti, G-plat, SS and their own wire specifically developed for this board. Switching back & forth between Nickel, Ti, SS and Kanthal (Kanthal without TP) worked flawless. I was impressed. Like their current Dani mods the electronics are very small too for use in tube mods. Scheduled for GA 1st half of May.

    Great developments in the vaping industry and the good stuff does not come from China! As usual... :)
     
  6. soulseek

    soulseek Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 12, 2013
    London, UK
    Interesting... do you have any more info on this mod or a link to a post? Would love to learn more. I just hope it looks better than the rest...

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    I'm sure YiHi will eventually update it for Titanium and then it will be a solid device.
     
  7. FogNL

    FogNL Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 25, 2013
    Amsterdam
    I was no allowed to take any pics Soul. But there will a Dani V2 with these new electronics. That will look exactly the same as the current Dani Extremes but with a much better OLED screen (same size). And there wil be a modular version (changeable tubes) in 23mm.
    Later there wil be an Oval shaped 'box' mod too from Stainless. That's all I know. But May is around the corner... :)
     
  8. skin_e1

    skin_e1 Account closed on request ECF Veteran

    Apr 6, 2014
    That was to see how high I could get the resistance on my nickle build. It would just as easily took 8-10 wraps. But, I had just gotten it so I built a small build and since I had the room a huge build :D I have to agree it has been a super long time. Is it vaporware, probably not. But hopefully by the time it comes out it won't be outdated like the Provari 3. Yes the DNA had problems, that's why I never bought one. But at the same time before the SX mini came out that was the only board on the market.
     
  9. soulseek

    soulseek Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 12, 2013
    London, UK
    Whom have I criticised when I don't know the whole story? I wasn't singling out You specifically with this photo, I was just highlighting the misery of dealing with nickel builds. Say what you want I have hundreds of pages to back me up. As for DNA40, if you're happy with companies rushing out unfinished products than good for you but I'm free to criticise it. I know there's plenty of unhappy paying customers who are unsatisfied with countless RMAs of their DNA40. As for my relationship status I don't know what this has to do with this. It was bluezengel coming back to troll who revived this thread back in post #7, direct your psychological problems with women towards him.
     
  10. soulseek

    soulseek Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 12, 2013
    London, UK
    I'm kind of getting tired of all this immature behaviour. If you're all so satisfied with your purchase then by all means feel free to share it with the world in the relevant threads, not in the GG forum. Most of you seem unwilling to engage in meaningful discussions and react negatively to constructive criticism. The fact that you're doing it here in this forum seems more like trolling.
     
  11. skin_e1

    skin_e1 Account closed on request ECF Veteran

    Apr 6, 2014
    I'll be nice. It's hard trust me Soulseek. DNA 30 was a great product, I never got the chance to try out the DNA 40. I was going to by a Vapor Flask and got scared off by the initial problems. I bought a SX Mini instead and it has been rock solid. Until a few days ago when I got an SX Mini M-Class. It's even better IMHO :) I am still waiting on the VIR. I hope it will be out in the next few months.
     
  12. soulseek

    soulseek Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 12, 2013
    London, UK
    Why would I have a problem with happy DNA customers in general, they're free to waster their money on whatever problematic product they wish? It does bother me though when they come here and make remarks about other products with a smirk on their face. I browse the SX mini channel as I browse most interesting Temperature control threads because I'm interested in all the advances in this area. If you had read my comments you would have seen that I considered buying an SX mini myself.
     
  13. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    So you have one already? :confused:
     
  14. skin_e1

    skin_e1 Account closed on request ECF Veteran

    Apr 6, 2014
    Nope been waiting for it like everybody else :)
     
  15. Beco

    Beco Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 28, 2012
    Istra
    I find it interesting that product that nobody has seen works better then allready existing product
     
  16. imeothanasis

    imeothanasis Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2009
    Athens, Hellas
    The most important is that I was first back in 2012 that thought of temperature control and thats enough for me. I am pleased with myself on that point because thats what I am doing all these years. Research and developing.

    Now that temp control is in the market already, we have to know some serious details about these devices, details that I never thought that would be important because VIR is made in a way to work flawless in every situation. But it seems that things that I took care off, are not taken care off of other manufacturers:

    1. Are these devices steady in resistance?
    2. Do they keep the right temperature in every environment?
    3. Do they use the right wires for our health?
    4. Do they have autobalance to keep battery working at low volts?
    5. Do they need R wires or they need NR-R-NR wires?
    6. Do they keep the right temperature every time we screw-unscrew parts of the mod?
    7. Do they stop functioning when atomizer runs out of liquid (to avoid burned wick) or they just keep vaping at the specific temperature?
    8. Do they require a cold atomizer? And how the customer knows if the atomizer is cold? Do they use an automatic procedure for this or the customer has to wait for 10 mins or more to vape because of different environmental temperatures?
    9. Is the temperature of these devices real?

    If I didnt forget anything, the most of the above are very serious matters on vaping.

    As you see, a temp control device is not a device that just keeps temp in a specific level and of course its not a device that stops functioning when temp reaches a specific level. A serious temp device is a very complicated thing.
     
  17. imeothanasis

    imeothanasis Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2009
    Athens, Hellas
    When things were depending on me, I was very quick on inventing and developing. Now that I can only think new ways but its impossible to produce them by myself (I dont know how to make electronics), things changed. My electronic engineer is the best on electronics but the worse on business. It seems that not all people can think seriously.

    I only hope that soon I will be ready to give you a serious temp device. A device that no one has made yet
     
  18. jailman

    jailman Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 12, 2011
    Germany
    Imeo, hurry up, we're waiting :)
     
  19. Beco

    Beco Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 28, 2012
    Istra
    One thing I don't understand
    One month ago you said Proteus will be out in 10-15 days
    Now it seems VIR/Proteus is far from being released
     
  20. soulseek

    soulseek Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 12, 2013
    London, UK
    As I said before I thought about buying the SX Mini M just to try out while I wait for VIR but I don't like box mods. It's a shame it's so big to be honest, if it was the size of the Cloupor mini than I would definitely give it a try.
     
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