So I've been looking around and see a good number of VV PV's and was just wondering if SI has any plans in the works to possably start selling anything. I'm newer to the vape community but only after a short time am really interested getting one. So far I really like the SI products and if they were thinking about bringing in a product line with these type of features I might just wait to get one of the other brands. To be honest I really like the setup of the iTaste and something like this is what i was wondering if you guys planned to do. Something that isn't to big but has some decent features. Thanks.
VV products?
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Imagine has said before that Smokeless Image's main focus is on the entry level vapor. The X2 passthru batteries are probably the farthest up the ladder that SI is likely to go in the near future.
AltSmoke has close ties with Smokeless Image. Besides offering a full lineup from beginner 510's to mid-sized Ego's to full size APV's, they have begun offering the brand new Ego Twist, probably the easiest way for mid-level vapors to experience variable voltage cheaply. Basic unit is only $23, but figure you'll need to get a few accessories with it. This unit would not be compatible with the 808 Smokeless Image gear unless you use an Ego (510 ?) to 808 adaptor connector.
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I started my vaping journey with Smokeless Image and still praise this vendor for beginners. I personally felt the need to move up to longer battery life and larger juice reservoirs. I got an AltSmoke BB and Silver Bullet and use multiple 3.5 and 6 ml tanks for my favorite flavors. I just recently started delving into higher voltage, and I must say that higher voltages can really bring out increased flavor and vapor that 3.7 volts can't begin to touch for some flavors (not all).
Just use caution in how you acheive your higher voltage should you decide to move into this direction.
AltSmoke has close ties with Smokeless Image. Besides offering a full lineup from beginner 510's to mid-sized Ego's to full size APV's, they have begun offering the brand new Ego Twist, probably the easiest way for mid-level vapors to experience variable voltage cheaply. Basic unit is only $23, but figure you'll need to get a few accessories with it. This unit would not be compatible with the 808 Smokeless Image gear unless you use an Ego (510 ?) to 808 adaptor connector.
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I started my vaping journey with Smokeless Image and still praise this vendor for beginners. I personally felt the need to move up to longer battery life and larger juice reservoirs. I got an AltSmoke BB and Silver Bullet and use multiple 3.5 and 6 ml tanks for my favorite flavors. I just recently started delving into higher voltage, and I must say that higher voltages can really bring out increased flavor and vapor that 3.7 volts can't begin to touch for some flavors (not all).
Just use caution in how you acheive your higher voltage should you decide to move into this direction.
Imagine just recently stated that there are no plans because they want everything to be the same across the board so that all the products work together and are interchangeable.
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Here is the post she put in "ask imagine"
Unfortunately we have goal to keep everything compatible so VV will most likely not be in our future. We plan to offer vape gear that works perfectly on 3.7v
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Unfortunately we have goal to keep everything compatible so VV will most likely not be in our future. We plan to offer vape gear that works perfectly on 3.7vOriginally Posted by -Optics-
Thanks Imagine. Yeah I've seen the adapters at other vendors, just checking to see if there were plans for it from SI. I'm sure I'll keep pouring money into you guys, especially with this new product talk you're bringing up
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A VV offering would be nice. I love my Twist, but even with that "more advanced" PV I still use my 78mm Volts every day.
I love the 78mm form factor for driving, the way it slipps into my pocket and as a backup for when my Twist dies. I keep a different flavor in each.
I love the 78mm form factor for driving, the way it slipps into my pocket and as a backup for when my Twist dies. I keep a different flavor in each.
imo, you dont need a vv. if you really want to mess with the watts, just buy some lower resistance cartos/clearos.
True, you cant fine tune you watts, but you can at least mess with it a little.
I am using 1.7ohm, 2.4ohm, and 2.8ohm clearos and can choose which to use with each juice.
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True, you cant fine tune you watts, but you can at least mess with it a little.
I am using 1.7ohm, 2.4ohm, and 2.8ohm clearos and can choose which to use with each juice.
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Ya see thats what i want, It isnt so much the VV as wanting to see how well my flavors come out with differnt watts. I see alot of ppl say it makes a big difference. I also really like that warm vape vs a cooler one. Again I really like the Si products was just tryign to see if they had plans for anythign with alittle more kick to it. I don't plan to get some monster like a provo or vmax but somethign alittle bigger, that lets me really taste my flavs, is all I was really refering to I guess. Thanks for the responses
Mroutlaw how are you able to run a 1.7 with your 3.7 volts? I thought the batts coudln't handle ohms that low. I thought 2.4 was pretty much the low end you could use on any of the volt products.
Mroutlaw how are you able to run a 1.7 with your 3.7 volts? I thought the batts coudln't handle ohms that low. I thought 2.4 was pretty much the low end you could use on any of the volt products.
You can't run the 1.7ohm on the small batteries, but you can on the x2.
It's not the voltage(3.7) that makes it not possible, it's the size of the battery (mah). They say you shouldn't use LR on anything smaller than 450mah, but I wouldn't do it with less than 650mah. The reason you can't use it with the smaller batteries is because you will be pulling so many watts that it will fry the battery. The small batteries just don't have enough life in them to sustain that many watts. Using it on the larger battery is done, but you will get less battery life between charges, but that is the case with any battery, not just the x2
Remember, all a VV does is allow you to adjust the watts without changing the resistance of the coil. they just adjust the volts to give the same effect. And they can do it in .1 or .2 increments. To me, there's no need, but I use the same type of juices all the time, fruity and desert, which do better at a cool vapor anyway.
If you want a warmer vape, try the 2.4-2.6 Phoenix. It makes a big difference. A too coil will also have a warmer vape than a bottom coil because the coil is closer to your mouth. (the si clearo is a top coil, that's why the vape is warmer even though it is the same resistance as the cartos
Alright now I understand alittle better. I tend to like the fruity / sweet type of flavs. Still learning so thanks a ton for replying with some good info. If what you say si the case then I would be more then willing to try and X2 and see how it goes. Seeming as our flavors seem kinda alike what size batt do you use with your 1.7 and roughly how long does it seem to last ya after full charge. Don't get me wrong I still plan to use my Volt but if I have a way to try something that might be alittle better without breaking the bank I'm willing to try it.
The x2's are great. I've used them exclusively for about 2 weeks now. Not any different than mini batt and I like that it doesn't look like a cig. Helps when vapeing in public and some one tells you can't smoke there. Happened Friday night when I was in a nonsmoking bar. Guy said something to me, I showed him what I was using and he just scoffed off.
As far as length of use, I've been using my 650 mah all day long with 2.4 pheonix and another companies carts that are somewhere between 2.5-3.0 ohms. I haven't had one die on my except for once. I can't give much advice on the 1.7 ohm stuff, don't use it or see much of a need.
As far as length of use, I've been using my 650 mah all day long with 2.4 pheonix and another companies carts that are somewhere between 2.5-3.0 ohms. I haven't had one die on my except for once. I can't give much advice on the 1.7 ohm stuff, don't use it or see much of a need.
IMHO, the 1.7 is only good with the tobacco type flavors. Using it with a 3.6v like the SI batteries equals to high of watts for the fruit and sweet flavors. I just had to dump some turtle cheesecake because I tried it at 1.7 and it was horrible. With the 2.4, it was awesome. If you like the same flavors as I do, 2.4 will be perfect. Sweet and fruit juices don't taste good at high watts.
I have all 3 size x2's. I couldn't tell you how long I get using it with 1.7 because I have never used it for an entire day with 1.7.
I can tell you that with the 2.4, I get about 6 hours of vaping with the 650. I mostly use my 1300. With that, I vape about 5 hours a night on it and I get 3 days on a charge.
I have been using my 900 x2 since 11am this morning and it's still going without a charge
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The amperage taken to produce the watts is what kills the small batteries kinda like the circuit breakers in your house are rated in amps and trip if you exceed their limit. On a 3.7 volt battery a 2.4 ohm carto produces about 5.7 watts and draws about 1.5 amps of current. A 1.7 ohm carto on the same battery produces 8 watts but draws almost 2.2 amps and this is quite a strain. I try to stay at or below the 1.5 amp range. I read about people vaping upwards of 8 watts and wonder what kind of flavor they're getting but a lot of them are strictly dripping onto an atty which is yet another ball game and in my opinion only, outdated except for sampling flavors. Don't take my word for it. Do a search on "burnt taste" where some new member bought a high powered device after reading all the raves about 5 volts and 12 watt vaping. With a vv you can run a 3.0 ohm carto @ 4.1 volts and get the same 5.7 watts but only draw about 1.3 amps as opposed to the 1.5 in the example above. To get the 8 watts out of a 3.0 ohm you kick it up to about 4.9 volts but only draw 1.6 amps as opposed to the 2.2 amps in the example above with the 1.7 ohm. With the 1.7 ohm carto just say for example the battery has a 2 amp circuit breaker, which could be the switch on your battery, you're going to trip it trying to produce 8 watts. If it has a 2.5 amp breaker you're just going to run your power bill up. If a vv device like the Vmax is used you can subtract around 25% of the voltage as the PWM produces differently. It pulses full battery voltage in waves that simulate lower voltage. For myself only, in the evening if I feel like doing hobby vaping and becomming a flavor snob for a while, the clearos are key to getting the most flavor. Fruits taste best to me at or below about 5 watts in a clearo such as the SI CE4 style for fat bats or the Phoenix CE3 style for 78mm. For Tobaccos I like about 5.5/6 watts in the same carto. I can't wait for SI to come out with the smaller (CE3) size for the 78mm batteries. Other than that during the day when this ain't no hobby I just screw a filler carto on a 78, put a few more cartos and batteries in a flat hard shell case and out the door for all day. My only attempt at improving this resulted in a pocket full of liquid when a CE3 came apart lol. It's amazing what 1 little ml of niquid looks like on the front of your jeans.
If you want to go into vaping as a hobby, which there is nothing wrong with, PLEASE get an education before you buy. Kindergarten and First grade are over. Learn about the different battery chemistries, types of protection, stacking batteries, chargers etc. and buy a volt meter first. Taking the time to learn about the volt, ohm, amp relationship can save you a fortune in experiments. In the school of hard knocks the test always comes first, then the lesson. There have been several people severly injured and we're fortunate there haven't been any deaths. Don't give the antis any ammo.
One more thing to save you some math if you're going to try different cartos. A 2.0ohm carto @ 3.7 volts draws 1.85 amps and produces 6.8 watts. Pretty good for tobacco but working the battery pretty hard. I still do it sometimes just for the heckuvit. The're be more sales lol.
Here's a link you can play with that makes it easier to figure out what I'm talking about and save you a lot of shipping costs. It's also a lot of fun.
Ohm's Law Calculator Put in any two values and it will calculate the rest for you.
If you want to go into vaping as a hobby, which there is nothing wrong with, PLEASE get an education before you buy. Kindergarten and First grade are over. Learn about the different battery chemistries, types of protection, stacking batteries, chargers etc. and buy a volt meter first. Taking the time to learn about the volt, ohm, amp relationship can save you a fortune in experiments. In the school of hard knocks the test always comes first, then the lesson. There have been several people severly injured and we're fortunate there haven't been any deaths. Don't give the antis any ammo.
One more thing to save you some math if you're going to try different cartos. A 2.0ohm carto @ 3.7 volts draws 1.85 amps and produces 6.8 watts. Pretty good for tobacco but working the battery pretty hard. I still do it sometimes just for the heckuvit. The're be more sales lol.
Here's a link you can play with that makes it easier to figure out what I'm talking about and save you a lot of shipping costs. It's also a lot of fun.
Ohm's Law Calculator Put in any two values and it will calculate the rest for you.
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Great post.
That's why I am using no lower than 2.4. Everything I have tried with the 1.7 tasted horrible and burnt. When I order replacement heads for the vivi nova, it will most likely be 2.4 giving me 5.4watts. That is is perfect for all around vaping. I have no desire to start trying to find the "sweet spot" of a juice.
After all, I smoked those horrible tasting analogs since I was a teenager and never tried to mess with them. So, if a juice I have tastes good, there is no need to tinker anymore. It's kinda like people who add salt to McDonald's fries, there's no need
Just my opinion
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The 1.7s were made basically for the Egos that run at 3.4 volts. They produce 6.8 watts which is pretty hot to me but it takes 2 amps to get there and I've read a lot about them frying the mofsets as well as causing other problems on other devices. I tried DC.....once. The Vivi 2.4 is suweet at 3.7 volts. Good clean taste, as is the bottom coil CE3 at 2.4. Like I said, can't wait for SI to come out with their tinker free easy fill version. I'm glad to see them moving forward with things like clearos and X2s which is the next level after entry and as far as a lot of folks really need to go. The hobbiests and those chasing the elusive perfect vape will always be trying the next wave and spending fortunes. I'm guilty of that to a point but most of the advanced stuff I've got was given to me for things like birthdays and Christmas. I just recently found out there's a B&M store not far from me so naturally I had to go over and look, knowing I probably wouldn't come home empty handed. Came home with a Vivi for not a lot of money. Virtually leak proof and produces great flavor and vapor. If I buy replacement heads for it they'll be 2.4.
So we are on the same page. Except I have been lucky enough to not have a wet spot in the front of my jeans yet. 2.4-2.8ohms is perfect and gives a great vape on the x2 and small batteries
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Actually!
Watts are a new discovery by monkies. They seem to understand this is as new marketing tool, variable voltage devices have already saturated the market. How to sell more? I know, USE WATTS (which is practically the same thing).
Watts are a new discovery by monkies. They seem to understand this is as new marketing tool, variable voltage devices have already saturated the market. How to sell more? I know, USE WATTS (which is practically the same thing).
That is so true. Then you get the people who spend $200+ on a provari because it is american made and will last forever with a lifetime warranty. Well, who wants something that has a lifetime warranty and will last forever in a market where technology changes minute by minute. When I was 18, I paid $299 for a lifetime membership to a video rental store, where did that get me. Not only did they close up shop within a couple of years, but the technology is antiquated too. We don't even have video stores by me anymore, just kiosk machines and download sites. Never pay more for something that has lifetime warranty on a technology item, especially not 4 times more.
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Correct, like every market there is always something and people is usually falling for this stuff. Even if it's something useless, there is always the US and EU market.
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