Was I just blinded by the hype?!

[shortee611]

I also am sub 1 ohm coil on unoxidized mesh #500. The only thing I do to the mesh is give it a very light torch before rolling it. Just to take out the springiness and clean it. I just wrap the coil on the wick in the atty. I find that so much easier and more flavorful than the drill bit method. I made YouTube video a couple of weeks ago that shows my process.

500 Mesh wick and twisted 32awg coil - YouTube

 

[vapdivrr]

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while some of the theory is sound some of it makes no sense, how can a sub 1 ohm coil running at 4 volts (on a mech) use less power/voltage then a 2 ohm coil running at 4 v ?

lol not sure how(in your example) 8 to 10 watts is more voltage the 15 watts.

i think it has more to do with the setup if you learn to fine tune what you are using it should all work about the same. after a certain point how much bigger of a cloud do you need? by the time i get to wrk 20 min away my car looks like someone lit a smokebomb.

if there is no trying different ways (loose coil, tight coil, oxy, unoxy, straw, solid wicks etc) there is no real way of knowing if it can be done with a particular wire or wick. just doing things one way with so so results and moving on isnt enough to say the last way wasnt good enough, just it didnt produce the results i was looking for in that setup.

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two different cobras running around 1.8 ohms with 32g on 500 unoxy and i stay right around 4-4.2v right around 10 watts or less. now add some airflow to that and you will fog out the room.

thrasher, if your refering to my post, what i am saying is that with the original example, he has a 2.1Ω coil and is vaping it at over 4volts and not getting the vapor. most will at this point increase the voltage, i think alot who vape a coil over 2 ohms will vape at way over 4 volts, probably closer to 5v. what i am saying is that more volts and thinner wire will not compare in flavor and thickness of vapor to a thicker gauge wire at 3.7v. in general hi res vaping is vaping at voltages upwards of 5volts, so i was just comparing hi res vaping to low res vaping. in his actual set-up, yes the volts in my example are not much lower, but the thickness of the wire and the lower resistance is what really makes the difference.

 

[Quoiyaien]

One thing about gennies that I never see talked about is performance robbing SOFT shorts. You will still have something that looks like a working coil, but for some reason the performance just isn't up to par.

A hard short will cause the coil to not light up at all after the short... but a soft short is much more subtle. You can see it in the way the coils light up. IME all the coils should be lit up the same and there should not be any bright or dark spots. The emphasis should be on all the coils lighting up EVENLY, at the same time.

Experienced genny users tend to know this, but for beginners it can be a PITA to finally get a coil lighting up only to have the performance lacking. So if all your coils are lit up, and you are just not happy with the vape, you could have a soft short on your hands.

Think of a hose... a soft short is like a leak causing a drop in pressure at the nozzle, whereas a hard short is a leak so big that nothing makes it past the leak let alone to the nozzle.

 

[catalystRKS]

One thing about gennies that I never see talked about is performance robbing SOFT shorts. You will still have something that looks like a working coil, but for some reason the performance just isn't up to par.

A hard short will cause the coil to not light up at all after the short... but a soft short is much more subtle. You can see it in the way the coils light up. IME all the coils should be lit up the same and there should not be any bright or dark spots. The emphasis should be on all the coils lighting up EVENLY, at the same time.

Experienced genny users tend to know this, but for beginners it can be a PITA to finally get a coil lighting up only to have the performance lacking. So if all your coils are lit up, and you are just not happy with the vape, you could have a soft short on your hands.

Think of a hose... a soft short is like a leak causing a drop in pressure at the nozzle, whereas a hard short is a leak so big that nothing makes it past the leak let alone to the nozzle.

So, soft shorts are just remedied by nudging? Or is it my wick... or both... lol

 

[Baditude]

I've had my AGA T2 for 3 weeks, but the majority of that time was an hour every other day. Within the last 4 days, after my second wick and third attempt with a coil, I've ended up with an incredibly satisfying vape. I'm using 30g wire and 500 mesh wick. The coil ohms at 2.0. Voltage is 4.2 volts. I do the Genesis tilt when I vape to insure adequate wicking. I am still laughing out loud at some of the clouds I'm exhaling on the Provari. Excellent flavor, smooth smooth vape.

I don't believe your lack of vapor is because of your Vamo. It is either your wick or your coil that is somehow lacking. Like me, you may need to tear down and start over multiple times to get to the right combination. It's truly worth it.

I was an exclusive cartank vapor. I haven't touched my tanks in over four days. Why would I want to?
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If you haven't seen the Zen video he did for Provape and the Provari, watch this all the way thru. I learned more from him in this than anything else in my research:

 

[ukeman]

I made about 3 or 4 coils before I got into 28g wire, sub 1.0 Ohms, and a couple of times at least, I've popped a wire at the top coil trying to see if it would light up evenly (4/3 wrap)... even with the battery down to about 3.6v.
I'm always afraid to hold the button on first firing too long... in fact, a few times I've just soaked the coil with juice and just vaped a hot top wire coil just to see how it tasted and as long as the vape was pretty great, wth, I just kept it there.
(This is with a good hybrid or mechanical... lots of power.)

fwiw, In fact I ALWAYS tilt the device to make sure there's lots of juice at the coil or it will be bad... I don't rely on the capillary action of the wick..

One thing about gennies that I never see talked about is performance robbing SOFT shorts. You will still have something that looks like a working coil, but for some reason the performance just isn't up to par.

A hard short will cause the coil to not light up at all after the short... but a soft short is much more subtle. You can see it in the way the coils light up. IME all the coils should be lit up the same and there should not be any bright or dark spots. The emphasis should be on all the coils lighting up EVENLY, at the same time.

Experienced genny users tend to know this, but for beginners it can be a PITA to finally get a coil lighting up only to have the performance lacking. So if all your coils are lit up, and you are just not happy with the vape, you could have a soft short on your hands.

Think of a hose... a soft short is like a leak causing a drop in pressure at the nozzle, whereas a hard short is a leak so big that nothing makes it past the leak let alone to the nozzle.

 

[jazon1]

keep in mind too that those huge clouds you see people blowing out in videos wouldn't look half as impressive in person not to say they are not huge clouds, people see in 3d and cams used in these videos record in 2d compressing semi transparent 3d objects into flat images taking away much of the transparency you would see if you were there making the clouds appear thicker then they really are.
also using VG and good lighting makes all the difference.
you'll make yourself broke trying to make clouds that look as thick as the do on cam,try and use your phones video and record one of your vapes and see how it looks you are probably already blowing some pretty good clouds.

 

[ukeman]

Yeah, and I can get monster clouds comparable to most of my sub 1.0 Ohms Genesis mods with my Reo Grand and a 1.5 Ohm hybrid atomizer... usually a 60-70vg/40-30pg ratio.
Its just a different vape though... good on the Reo but best on the Geni .9 Ohms... flavor-wise

edit: eh... on second thought, not quite as monster as the Geni's at .9 Ohms... but good!

 

[Mitey F]

I was very opposed to it at first, but I'll gladly admit that I was very wrong, and LR setups on mechanical mods are the way to go. Even an Igo-L on a SmokTech Natural (less than $70 for the pair) vapes better than anything else I've tried thus far.

 

[catalystRKS]

Another question: does the safe vaping chart still matter when it comes to RBAs?

 

[shortee611]

I'd have to say no. I vape around 17 watts. And my juice is never has a burnt taste.

 

[Blix]

I'd have to say no. I vape around 17 watts. And my juice is never has a burnt taste.

Indeed, RBA vaping is off the charts!

 

[albcig]

i only go as low as 1.2 ohms. i finally found peace of mind with genesis atomizers. i do my own coils, i do my own liquid. its all perfect now and i'm happy as a little kitten.

 

[hausmouse]

I've had my AGA T2 for 3 weeks, but the majority of that time was an hour every other day. Within the last 4 days, after my second wick and third attempt with a coil, I've ended up with an incredibly satisfying vape. I'm using 30g wire and 500 mesh wick. The coil ohms at 2.0. Voltage is 4.2 volts. I do the Genesis tilt when I vape to insure adequate wicking. I am still laughing out loud at some of the clouds I'm exhaling on the Provari. Excellent flavor, smooth smooth vape.

I don't believe your lack of vapor is because of your Vamo. It is either your wick or your coil that is somehow lacking. Like me, you may need to tear down and start over multiple times to get to the right combination. It's truly worth it.

I was an exclusive cartank vapor. I haven't touched my tanks in over four days. Why would I want to?
_____

If you haven't seen the Zen video he did for Provape and the Provari, watch this all the way thru. I learned more from him in this than anything else in my research:

Come on bad crank it up. Mine is 1.5 and I'm at 4.2 volts. I was at 4.8 on the last coil but got distracted, forgot the tilt and well you know the rest. The last wick was oxidized but I just did this one really light and the performance is leaps and bounds further than the fully oxidized. It was well worth pulling a good coil to try. It's the first time I really saw the light for gennies

 

[keenanmcfar]

I have to agree with the others, gennies really shine unregulated at 0.6 ohms for me. I have a smok natural and there is some voltage drop there so i guess if you get something with brass contact and use 0.8 ohms youll be right at the wattage i an so many others seem to like.

 

[vapdivrr]

I was very opposed to it at first, but I'll gladly admit that I was very wrong, and LR setups on mechanical mods are the way to go. Even an Igo-L on a SmokTech Natural (less than $70 for the pair) vapes better than anything else I've tried thus far.

glad to hear it, now your half way there, ceramic brings you all the way.

 

[Mitey F]

I'll consider it, but cotton is working extremely well. I can fill a drip well with it, while ceramic would only be touching the liquid. Hell, I can't even get SS to work worth a sh**, but cotton is easy as pie, cheap, plentiful and works great!

 

[Brozilla]

You wont blow clouds on the vamo. gotta vape sub 1 ohm on a mech mod

 

[Big Screen D]

One thing about gennies that I never see talked about is performance robbing SOFT shorts. You will still have something that looks like a working coil, but for some reason the performance just isn't up to par.

A hard short will cause the coil to not light up at all after the short... but a soft short is much more subtle. You can see it in the way the coils light up. IME all the coils should be lit up the same and there should not be any bright or dark spots. The emphasis should be on all the coils lighting up EVENLY, at the same time.

Experienced genny users tend to know this, but for beginners it can be a PITA to finally get a coil lighting up only to have the performance lacking. So if all your coils are lit up, and you are just not happy with the vape, you could have a soft short on your hands.

Think of a hose... a soft short is like a leak causing a drop in pressure at the nozzle, whereas a hard short is a leak so big that nothing makes it past the leak let alone to the nozzle.

That is a great point that many seem not to realize. Many also say that the wick making contact with the hole is of no concern. I disagree.

There is always some amount of current flow from the coil to the wick. Oxidizing the wick reduces greatly, but never completely prevents current flow from coil to the wick. Often times the dreaded hot spot at the top coil isn't because the top coil itself is shorted to the wick, but rather is the exit point for current that has passed to the grounded wick from one or more other points. Even if the coil is heating relatively evenly, some current is wasted reducing battery charge life. I've never tried an un-oxidized wick, but I'm sure that minimizing wick contact to ground is even more important.

 

[Mitey F]

You wont blow clouds on the vamo. gotta vape sub 1 ohm on a mech mod

You must not have used a well set up RBA on a Vamo. My AGA-T set up properly at around 9 watts is a vapor machine.