Someone mentioned the forbidden fruit effect.
Since alcohol wasn't illegal the kids weren't Siren drawn to it.
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Someone mentioned the forbidden fruit effect.
Since alcohol wasn't illegal the kids weren't Siren drawn to it.
Why not Traver? Nicotine isn't a harmless substance and is addictive.
Recent research has shown how nicotine acts on the brain. Nicotine activates the circuitry that regulates feelings of pleasure, the so-called reward pathways. Research has shown that nicotine increases the levels of dopamine (a key brain chemical involved in mediating the desire to consume drugs) in the reward circuits. Nicotine's pharmacokinetic properties have been found to enhance its abuse potential. Cigarette smoking produces a rapid distribution of nicotine to the brain, with drug levels peaking within 10 seconds of inhalation. The acute effects of nicotine dissipate within a few minutes, causing the need to continue repeated intake throughout the day.
Nicotine | Psychology Today
So yeah, it should be regulated and minors prohibited from it use imho.
Okay one sec... I'm 18 and my girlfriend is 17. We have both smoked since we have been 13 but I decided that I like vaping a lot better. We went into a B&M and without being IDed we were allowed to test nic filled juices and purchase them without being carded. Now I am of legal age but not once were we carded. So this is a thing indeed.
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Before I start banning things I need to know a few things for which I currently don't have answers.
Can you tell me what harm nicotine does without the smoke?
Can you tell me how addictive it is without the smoke?
Would a ban for minors work or would it make it cool?
Would teens turn to cigarettes or other drugs instead?
I want regulation of minors and cigalikes. I don't trust cigalike companies to not put additives in their devices. I don't want minors vaping.
I don't want regulation for nic base. They will never be able to regulate our devices. They will be able to regulate our ability to obtain nic base. I'd prefer we look for compromises to keep the the availability of liquid nicotine.
DIY is what's truly at risk for us vapers.
I don't want regulation for nic base. They will never be able to regulate our devices. They will be able to regulate our ability to obtain nic base. I'd prefer we look for compromises to keep the the availability of liquid nicotine.
DIY is what's truly at risk for us vapers.
In case of worst case.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
If somebody has a problem with vaping because it looks like smoking, then does that mean they have a problem with non-alcoholic beverages in fancy bottles, like 'sparkling wine' for example which has no alcohol but looks like its champagne.
I'm a bit over 50 years old. Cigarettes have been regulated and minors prohibited for all of my life. I see no sign that it's done anything at all to keep the ones that wanted to smoke from smoking.
Most people that smoke start before they are 18. That happens now, and it happened when I was, well, lets just say "not yet 18".
So lets not talk about "I don't think they should" because while I suspect we agree on that, I also think it's pretty clear that the ones who want to do it are going to do it, regardless of the law.
All evidence (based on cigarettes, beer/alcohol, sex, and substances that are not at all legal regardless of your age) is that the ones who want to do it are going to do it anyway.
So, what do we gain by making it harder for them to vape?
I do expect those laws to happen. But I don't think they will actually help. And if it were my kid, I would much rather them start vaping than smoking cigs. I would discourage them from either, but I would much prefer that they vape instead of smoke.
Kids have been stealing since I was a kid. Why should we stop them? Kids have been killing since I was a kid. Why should we stop them? People break laws. People break rules. That doesn't make rules any less valid.
Concerning the issue of kids.... bottom line is we got more immediate problems to worry about; we don't want the industry to get crushed by a picture of 10 year olds puffing away on pipes.
Meanwhile.... I discovered ecigs around July this year, and now after 3 decades of smoking I no longer spend all that money on cartons of cigarettes; I've dropped off the radar as far as revenue to the tobacco industry; how many people are dropping off the radar every month? The way these things go , things tend to go faster and faster at first, sooner of later the tobacco companies are going to see their bottom line unmistakeably running away from them, and theyre going to be holding meetings and coming up with strategys;; obviously spend some money lobbying the FDA to throw some roadblocks and slow down the train.
As smokers drop of the tobacco revenue stream every month, those people aren't coming back.
Meanwhile.... I discovered ecigs around July this year, and now after 3 decades of smoking I no longer spend all that money on cartons of cigarettes; I've dropped off the radar as far as revenue to the tobacco industry; how many people are dropping off the radar every month? The way these things go , things tend to go faster and faster at first, sooner of later the tobacco companies are going to see their bottom line unmistakeably running away from them, and theyre going to be holding meetings and coming up with strategys;; obviously spend some money lobbying the FDA to throw some roadblocks and slow down the train.
As smokers drop of the tobacco revenue stream every month, those people aren't coming back.
Did I say that? My post was demonstrating the illogical nature of yours; the idea that rules are invalid because they may be broken.
I agree 100%. I have often said that I am waiting on the scales at the checkout line at the grocery store to base a decision to what a person is allowed to buy and how much to tax the items that contain too much 'sugar or fat'. Restaurants the same--menu choices based on weight.
If the issue is truly health issues that they want to bring up--then obesity causes as many health problems if not more than smoking!
If the issue is truly health issues that they want to bring up--then obesity causes as many health problems if not more than smoking!
That's true Baldr -- They can even buy cigarettes online if they want to.
http://www.dutyfreedepot.com/buy-duty-free-cigarettes.htm
So I guess putting laws into effect wouldn't do much at all as far as a deterrent gos.
As always it's up to the parents to police their children..As usual though most will just do what they want to do behind the parents back.
I think it would make the vaping community a bit more respected if we made it harder for children to obtain vaping materials, but
other than that, nothing to gain imo.
The laws will come making it more expensive for us, but not for the reason of underage sales. It will come because as Edward Lewis posted, tobacco companies are loosing revenue because people are wising up and finding an easy way out of smoking cigarettes. Drug companies that make the pills and patches are loosing revenue too. I'm sure the lobbyist will soon be lining up at the Senates doors hounding our senators to introduce this or that bill that will tax us and laws to prohibit this or that. Oh yeah, that's coming our way for sure!
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The Nanny State -- It wouldn't surprise me in the least if restrictions were implemented on every purchase of foods or drinks due to health risks now that the government runs our health insurance kbf.
I vaped zero nic for about nine months, went back to 10 mg for a month and then back to zero for the next two months. For me, the effects you write about above are so minor as to be negligible. I compare it to caffeine which I also stopped using regularly. I found cigarettes very addictive.
So for me it's a matter of degree. Are we addicted to sugar, caffeine, a glass of wine or two with dinner? I think of nic like those things now and do not consider any of these addicting. I do also realize not everyone is the same, but a lot of vapers who reduce nic levels report the same type of experience.
As for harm, I know of no data indicating more health risk from nicotine than the other items I mentioned.
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This.
On the other hand, we do not see ANY governmental agency crying out loud for a ban on tobacco cigarettes if/when an irresponsible vendor happens to be caught selling tobacco to minors. (The kind of vendor who used to sell me tobacco, when I started at the age of fifteen).
When that happens, the vendor is to blame, not tobacco itself...! And we do not see any real effort to ban tobacco (remember the flavoured tobacco ban in the US? With the very convenient menthol exception??) because, of course, governments get an hefty profit from tobacco taxes. Not just income, but actually profit.
When the very same problem occurs with the electronic cigarette (a competitor of tobacco cigarettes), it suddenly appears that vendors cannot be held to account anymore. Apparently, the e-cig is an insidious, terrible product that seems to be able to sell itself to little children and toddlers, and therefore must be banned !!
I don't know, people in general seem to have lost any thinking or logic skills. I say this not as any kind of offense, but only by stating the simple fact that most of them are so gullible as to believe most of the crappy arguments and junk-science the ANTZ's feeds them almost everyday...!
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