The strange, lingering and saddening power of big tobacco marketting efforts of years past

[stevegmu]

Except they filled them full of addictive chemicals other than nicotine (which of course they didn't tell us about )

I would have been addicted to cigarettes, regardless whether they had added chemicals. I liked smoking and I am addicted to nicotine. I stuffed my own for 3 years with pure, organic tobacco and still smoked. It was the nicotine for me.

 

[jpargana]

I've been fortunate enough to help some pretty hard-core smokers enter the world of vaping. Each had their own way of entering. One had to start with the cig-a-likes. The others were ready for eGo's right off the bat. I just recently gave a cheap eGo kit to a lady who couldn't afford one and she started to cry because she wasn't able to get one for herself and really needed to quit but just didn't have the funds to do it. I love helping people and I will continue to do so no matter how tedious it may be. I won't push them by any means cuz' I wouldn't want to be pushed. Just use a gentle hand and who knows where it'll lead.....

 

[bluecat]

The very few cigars he has will not do the magnitude of damage that using them all the time would surely do. I may get flamed, so be it. He's happy and tons, TONS healthier with using the ecig 90% of the time. Let him have his couple of cigars

I love my Saturday evening cigar or 2.

 

[bluecat]

Sometimes it takes harsh judgment, for someone to realize the truth. As Harsh as that may sound, It benefits the person in the long run.

For example I used to be 210lbs, pretty ripped, went to the gym 4-6 hours a day. Then I met my girlfriend now about 4 years ago and I stopped working out, and how do you say "Let myself go".

I didn't realize how bad my health actually got until I ran into an old friend I have not seen in years and he said "Man you got fat". Now that comment did hurt, but I realized HE WAS RIGHT, I had gained 40lbs (not muscle).

His comment no matter how bad it hurt HELPED ME by making me realize I had let myself go, therefore I lost weight and improved my health, therefore helping me in the long run, because if he wouldn't have said that I would have went on and probably put on 80lbs or more.

Fair enough... Old friends are my family too.

Still if we want to have zero tolerance..

If you see someone eating bacon... we must help them.. or ice cream, drinking coffee, drinking alcohol.. Where do we draw the line?

Bungee jumping, parachuting or what?

Heck vaping isn't exactly healthy.. It may well be better than smoking (I think so but have no scientific proof) still it isn't exactly healthy.

My point is coming to a public forum to chastise this woman/man does exactly what for her? It does nothing but give people a chance to thump their chest on vaping is it. Yes, I realize it is a vaping forum but still... it demonized her.

If someone wants to smoke, let them smoke. If they are hacking and coughing, say your piece and go on with life thinking how much better you are than them. Not you in particular, but in general.

You lost weight.. good for you getting healthy. I did the same. Basically same reasons... wife liked when I ate a lot of her cooking.

 

[LEDBETTER122]

Fair enough... Old friends are my family too.

Still if we want to have zero tolerance..

If you see someone eating bacon... we must help them.. or ice cream, drinking coffee, drinking alcohol.. Where do we draw the line?

Bungee jumping, parachuting or what?

Heck vaping isn't exactly healthy.. It may well be better than smoking (I think so but have no scientific proof) still it isn't exactly healthy.

My point is coming to a public forum to chastise this woman/man does exactly what for her? It does nothing but give people a chance to thump their chest on vaping is it. Yes, I realize it is a vaping forum but still... it demonized her.

If someone wants to smoke, let them smoke. If they are hacking and coughing, say your piece and go on with life thinking how much better you are than them. Not you in particular, but in general.

You lost weight.. good for you getting healthy. I did the same. Basically same reasons... wife liked when I ate a lot of her cooking.

I understand your point, and I'm in no means a "Mean Person" (Not saying you said I was). All I stated is that It sometimes takes someone to judge you to have a "Revelation".

Vaping is a safer Alternative, just like Splenda is better for you than sugar (Theoretically), and to not try it for the sole reason being "It looks stupid" is beyond me.

Yeah I agree, what difference does it make to this woman that the OP posted the interaction online. It does demonize her, but being she is not a vaper and most likely will never get on ECF and see this thread, it’s not going to hurt her.

It's just a person telling their story, they didn't name any names or where the woman works. To everyone reading this thread this woman is just an "Entity" of someone else’s life. It's not hurting anyone.

 

[patkin]

The more we care about someone, the more stress we're going to experience watching them do risky/harmful things whether that's smoking, eating the "wrong" things as a diabetic or driving wrecklessly. I think most people can tell the difference between a person with across-the-board controlling behavior due to personal hangups or issues and someone experiencing stress because they love/care about them. If I've become the target of someone's personal crusade they would be waging no matter who I was I sure can tell it. On the other hand, if my Hubby is concerned because he might loose me due to my behavior, I can tell that too. One I resent if too intrusive while not taking it personally but the other I see as a sign of love. If he talked about what he's feeling to a friend, I wouldn't consider him to be talking about me per se but about his own discomfort. I would be glad he had a friend to talk to about it. Reacting with a "don't tell me what to do" attitude and not differentiating between the two motivations, to me, just means arrested development and still mushing around in your own personal mommy or daddy issues. There are 80-year-olds who've never developed past the age of 15.

 

[Giraut]

Yeah I agree, what difference does it make to this woman that the OP posted the interaction online. It does demonize her, but being she is not a vaper and most likely will never get on ECF and see this thread, it’s not going to hurt her.

It's just a person telling their story, they didn't name any names or where the woman works. To everyone reading this thread this woman is just an "Entity" of someone else’s life. It's not hurting anyone.

I've been on the internet long enough to know not to name names, companies or places. Even the account of the event I posted isn't verbatim (but the main idea remains the same). So even if this person suddenly changed her mind, became an avid vaper and started posting here, she wouldn't recognize herself.

Also, I don't "demonize" her: she's the victim here - another victim of Big Tobacco's cunning marketing methods.