What in the world is wrong with simplicity?

[Elendil]

Sassyonemeis, you keep saying you want your PV to be "simple" and that your eGo 510 is that device. Well, a 5 volt GLV2 is just as simple in use as your eGo. Screw in atty, apply eliquid in whatever manner you deem simple and push the button. The process is exactly the same. The end result, however, is significantly different. Because I believe for most new vapers, when they say they want their PV to be most like an analog, what they really mean without necessarily knowing it, is they want the "inhaled feel" and consistency of an analog. A good 5 volt or variable volt PV just plain and simply provides better throat hit, better battery life and better consistency than your eGo 510 and much better than a regular 510, mini, etc. A better PV almost always provides less hassle because they are built better, hold up better and are more consistent.

Saying all that, I still realize that most newbs can't get over the visual issue. So I regularly suggest an eGo/Riva 510 or VGO 801 to new vapers. But in reality when it comes down to pure performance that is closer to the "inhaled feel" of an analog, those of us recommending bettery battery PV's, know of what we speak.

And here is a site that summerizes many of the better battery PV's for those who are interested (I stopped saying mod, as it's usefulness, as pointed out earlier in this thread, has more than past):

Best e-Cig Mod List | e-Cig Mods Database

Quoted for truth.

 

[nikk4s]

Quite simply, if a question comes up often enough to start threads on how best to answer it, a faq needs to be created and maintained. Then we can all point noobs to the faqs and this argument dies.

 

[xg4bx]

I've been at this for 6 months or so and I still use a stock shorty 808 battery and filler cartos. It works for me so I have no interest in exploring any further. I'm trying to replace my smoking addiction, nothing more.

Speaking generally I think some of this pv stuff is going overboard. We lost sight of the fact that this is a cigarette replacement, its not supposed to be a race to see if you can knock your bloody head off with vapor competition.

Ill try new juices or a new supplier here and there but other than that I really don't care that much about vaping and its technologies. I wanted a healthier alternative not a pv "arms race". Honestly I think a lot of people feel the same way. Mods,variable voltage,low resistance,etc are for hobbyists and not necessary in order for a new user to have a satisfactory vaping experience.

 

[xg4bx]

I agree with the OP - there's such a wide variety of models, options and configurations and the same dozen Chinese pieces of hardware have a dozen names apiece due to re-branding - hence questions like "Which is better, the eGo-T or the Tornado Tank?".

I'm a geek, and I'm amazed and impressed with all of the different configs and options, but I remember when I got my first 510 - they sent me a free drip tip along with my starter kit and I had no remote clue what I was supposed to do with it, most probably because I'd also gotten a lot of pre-filled carts but no bottles of juice. I lost it without ever having used it.

There's a reason why WhiteCloud, Blu and some others are getting away with 200% and 400% markup, and I think that it has everything to do with only selling 6 parts total and having a home page that consists primarily of a "how to use an e-cig" tutorial.

I totally agree. I have some accumulated knowledge and I still want the simplicity of a few options and knowing exactly what goes with what. Even if I go to a site like vapor4life I know that everything they're selling will work with what I've got,there's no guess work. Most people want simplicity.

 

[xg4bx]

And still, that commitment does not require expensive mods and/or an overwhelming amount of info not necessarily requested.

Right now, on the newbie thread, there is a post from a newbie looking for advice, plainly saying cost is the major factor. Yet advice given are mods that are very expensive and would likely be an immediate turn off to this newbie. Especially since someone on this thread has already stated that some box mod can be bought for like $30.

Cost of initial investment is a MAJOR issue in whether someone does or doesnt buy in, especially for some who simply DONT have that kind of money upfront.

You nailed how I started. I only had $60,my cig budget for the week, to get started. I either needed a complete kit or I was gonna have to scratch the whole e-cig idea. I couldn't (and still can't) afford $100 for a mod, then attys, juices, batteries.,chargers,etc. I simply don't have that kind of money nor could I justify spending that much at once on this habit even if I did. I think a lot of people are in the same boat, many are spending their cigarette budget on these things.

 

[wv2win]

A cheapie ecig that looked like a cig helped me stop smoking 2 1/2 months ago, but the Provari is the first device I've tried that consistently satisfies. Check the resistance of whatever you screwed on, add 1.0, and set the voltage there. If the atty/carto reads 2.8 ohms of resistance on the Provari's readout screen, for example, try setting the voltage to 3.8 volts.

If you're like me, you'll probably want to raise the volts a couple of tenths or more (to taste). Truly satisfying throat hits and flavors. I haven't fried a single atty or carto yet after almost a month with the Provari.

There are good 5-volt devices, but 5 volts is just too much for many of my cartos, giving a burnt taste.

I actually DROPPED my Provari on a ceramic tile floor from 4 feet up today. This floor is like rock. The fall killed my $1.50 cartomizer, but
the Provari works like a charm!

I agree with you completely on the advantages of a variable volt over a 5 volt. But since the OP keeps stressing "simple", I was afraid that moving that "little wheel" or pressing the button an extra time to set the voltage would be deemed too complicated.

 

[wv2win]

I've been at this for 6 months or so and I still use a stock shorty 808 battery and filler cartos. It works for me so I have no interest in exploring any further. I'm trying to replace my smoking addiction, nothing more.

Speaking generally I think some of this pv stuff is going overboard. We lost sight of the fact that this is a cigarette replacement, its not supposed to be a race to see if you can knock your bloody head off with vapor competition.

Ill try new juices or a new supplier here and there but other than that I really don't care that much about vaping and its technologies. I wanted a healthier alternative not a pv "arms race". Honestly I think a lot of people feel the same way. Mods,variable voltage,low resistance,etc are for hobbyists and not necessary in order for a new user to have a satisfactory vaping experience.

So you are stating that a weak, little to no throat hit battery PV that requires the batteries to be replaced every couple of hours should do just fine for the vast majority of new users and no one should expect better. And since you have never used anything better, you have no way to know if you would be more satisfied. And if a new user deems your PV ineffective and gives up out of frustration and goes back to analogs, that's not a problem. Because when he came here and asked for advice, all we told him was to use your type of PV so there is no reason why he would think that there are much better options.

 

[AlmightyGod]

So you are stating that a weak, little to no throat hit battery PV that requires the batteries to be replaced every couple of hours should do just fine for the vast majority of new users and no one should expect better. And since you have never used anything better, you have no way to know if you would be more satisfied. And if a new user deems your PV ineffective and gives up out of frustration and goes back to analogs, that's not a problem. Because when he came here and asked for advice, all we told him was to use your type of PV so there is no reason why he would think that there are much better options.

Well said...

Buy a mall PV...when you don't like it, go to ECF, & they tell you to buy one similar to one you don't like...

Perfect!

 

[fb305]

I've been at this for 6 months or so and I still use a stock shorty 808 battery and filler cartos. It works for me so I have no interest in exploring any further. I'm trying to replace my smoking addiction, nothing more.

Speaking generally I think some of this pv stuff is going overboard. We lost sight of the fact that this is a cigarette replacement, its not supposed to be a race to see if you can knock your bloody head off with vapor competition.

Ill try new juices or a new supplier here and there but other than that I really don't care that much about vaping and its technologies. I wanted a healthier alternative not a pv "arms race". Honestly I think a lot of people feel the same way. Mods,variable voltage,low resistance,etc are for hobbyists and not necessary in order for a new user to have a satisfactory vaping experience.

Couldn't have said it any better! I agree, but to each their own. Some people want to make a hobby out of it though, I'm just not one of those people.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I agree with you completely on the advantages of a variable volt over a 5 volt. But since the OP keeps stressing "simple", I was afraid that moving that "little wheel" or pressing the button an extra time to set the voltage would be deemed too complicated.

Simple to me means stick an atty/cart/carto on the battery and vape your head off with it. Then again, I've been eyeballing the Darwin and the ProVari just because I like technical things...

 

[Automaton]

Mods,variable voltage,low resistance,etc are for hobbyists and not necessary in order for a new user to have a satisfactory vaping experience.

Not necessarily. I was of that opinion for a long time, with, more or less, the same set-up you have. Until I got tired of throwing away cartomizers (never had any luck with cleaning them).

I didn't like how much waste I was producing, and even though my Kr8 batteries still work to this day after over 8 months (a friend of mine is now using them), I did have issues with the button sticking a bit, and when my life got busier, I vaped more, just like I used to smoke more, and the battery life wasn't enough. So time to go to atomizers, and a bigger battery.

A regular atomizer just doesn't punch like a cartomizer does, so those didn't work for me - I smoked unfiltered rollies. I had to go to LR's.

Then LR's started frying my eGo batteries because of my heavy use. Time to go to mods.

Every step of the way, whatever I was using previously got given away, plus or minus a back-up battery or two and a charger for it.

I wound up dripping on an LR, screwed into a ridiculous-looking mod, because that was actually what I needed. I'm happy where I am now, and no longer have any complaints or desire to move onto something new. I get at least 3 months out of an atomizer, my batteries last 1-2 days on a charge, and I can fire my LR until it explodes and it's not going to fry my mod.

It's entirely possible to wind up vaping something that looks like a piece of plumbing out of necessity and not a desire to aquire kit.

I've also known newbies who turned out to need a system like that in order to quit smoking. There's a guy I corresponded with who needed to go to 6v vaping in order to quit. He was vaping something more ridiculous than my GGTB within a couple weeks of starting vaping, because that's what he needed.

Generalizations are really tricky here. Not that there's anything wrong with being a hobbyist in an "arms race" - whatever makes ya happy. And perhaps for these people, keeping things new and exciting helps them stay motivated to vape, and not go back to smoking.

I really think we should pay attention to the newbie we're dealing with, what sorts of questions they're asking, and ask a few pointed questions of our own:
How much do you smoke, and what kind?
How are you with technology?
Do you like tinkering with things or do you want to "set it and forget it" so to speak?
Do you care how it looks?

There's no right or wrong answer to any of these questions. And of course, there is no perfect PV, and we should also let them know they may have to compromise a bit, and to prioritize what their needs are so they can compromise on the less important stuff. And even then, what they like may surprise us. I thought my dad didn't want to screw around with an e-cig at all, so I set him up with a Kr8. Turns out he didn't like vaping until he started dripping. I should have asked more questons, and he may have taken off with it sooner.

 

[wv2win]

Well said...

Buy a mall PV...when you don't like it, go to ECF, & they tell you to buy one similar to one you don't like...

Perfect!

Thanks, AG and good follow-up. I guess we should apply the OP's thinking to cars, also. Then we could all drive Yugos and be happy.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

We can debate this issue for the umpteen millionth time and until we're all blue in the face, but I think only this will remain:

We can only suggest what a new person should try based on the questions Mistress Nomad pointed out. What that person does with those suggestions and how they progress in their vaping journey will be completely up to that individual.

I didn't think I'd ever move up to mods. I was happy with my eGo/Riva kits until I started dripping and then it seemed like I was missing something. I realized that I enjoy warm vapor more than cool vapor, and the only way I was going to get that without frying my batteries was with a mod. I bought a Chameleon through the Classifieds, started using LR atties and cartos and I haven't looked back. I bought an Indulgence for my fiance and he only recently started using it. He prefers cartos and doesn't like dripping. I got some LR cartos that actually work and he's been going back and forth with the Indulgence and the eGo/Rivas.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we can only guide the new person who is just starting out. We have to gauge that guidance on those key questions about their smoking habits, how technically inclined they are and what they're looking for in the vaping experience.

 

[DropEmCigs]

N00bi: SO if I buy this kit, 3.4V, standard 510 atty, 12mg eliquid, it will work ?
Yoda: Will indeed it do.
N00bi: But if I use 5V it will work better ?
Yoda: Yes. Will indeed it do.
N00bi: And if I use LR Atty 1.8 it will work even better ?
Yoda: Yeeees. Will indeed it do.
N00bi: And if I use 24mg eliquid it will TH and plume like mad ?
Yoda: YEEZZZ. Will indeeeeed it do.
N00bi: NOW I see. Then I want 6.5V, 1.2 Ohms LR and 48mg eliquid !

 

[Trips1103]

So you are stating that a weak, little to no throat hit battery PV that requires the batteries to be replaced every couple of hours should do just fine for the vast majority of new users and no one should expect better. And since you have never used anything better, you have no way to know if you would be more satisfied. And if a new user deems your PV ineffective and gives up out of frustration and goes back to analogs, that's not a problem. Because when he came here and asked for advice, all we told him was to use your type of PV so there is no reason why he would think that there are much better options.

Very well said!

 

[Trips1103]

What I don't understand is this: Being new, why bother asking a question at all you're going to do is grief the person attempting to help you?

If you don't like the answers, do the research yourself. It is completely unfair, not to mention rude, to place your own expectations on other people. Especially those who are trying to help.

 

[Trips1103]

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[MissKitty47]

Welcome aboard, Trips! I love this community, don't you! I've unwittingly found a support group!!

Would/could someone point me to a box mod link that has a juice feeder? I'm thinking either that or a VapeMate might be my answer...currently using the eGo T system...Thank You!

 

[AlmightyGod]

1. Monkeyboxx...hardwoods (custom order)...vv available...
2. Phidias Feedimus...hardwood
3. Ali'i...hardwood...vv available
4. Sweetvapes...hardwood
5. Southpaw...hardwood...vv coming soon
6. Integrity...plastic...made in UK
7. Reo...Grand & Mini are aluminum...Woodvil is hardwood
8. Big Stu's Box Mods...plastic
9. Brian's Box Mods...hardwood
10. Old Goat Box Mods...plastic

I posted this earlier in the thread.

 

[undertheradar]

I think a lot of noobs are better off buying used stuff (if they can find it) when stepping up from that

first analog-looking mall cig. I wish I'd done that and saved a bundle.

...or step sideways rather than up for fifteen bucks with their 25% off code: March Madness

http://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/products/Freedom-5-Kit-Starter-Kit.html