What the heck? Nitrosamine Levels

[sandybeach]

This article says [h=1]"vaping: Worse than Smoking Due to Cancer-Causing Components Found in Brands"[/h]Is this true??!!!

(remove spaces, I broke the link as Old Soldier said to do)
http: //au.ibtimes.com/articles/473792/20130603/e-cigarettes-vaping-worse-smoking-due-cancer.htm#.Uaymh2S32Awsays:[h=1][/h]

 

[zoiDman]

It appears that this article is referring to the Study that was done in 2009 by the FDA.

What I found disturbing about this article is they do not link to where the data can be reviewed.

And they did not say what the amount of Cancer Causing Chemicals there were.

There are Cancer Causing Chemicals in just about all Processed Foods. But their level is so Low, many times Almost Undetectable, that they pose no Real Danger.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - Thank you for Breaking the Link.

 

[Memdoba]

It can't be worse then the coffin nails..I do not trust all the e juice company's that is why I have started DIY juice so I know exactly what is going in my juice.. also there are so many people flat out lying about e cigs for the sake of big tobacco and state tax revenue that it is hard to believe 1 article or supposed study. At least that's how I see it

 

[AgentAnia]

"International Business Times"????? Who do they have writing for them, high-school freshmen?! (No, sorry, that insults high-school freshmen...)

Looks to me like a cut-and-paste job from the first 10 results of a google search done by impaired monkeys. Junk, I tell you. Junk.

 

[DaveP]

If you vape tobacco flavors you may get tiny and insignificant amounts of Nitrosamines that are remnants of the huge amounts of carcinogens in tobacco. They may also be present in pharmaceutical nicotine used in all ecig juice flavors, but you get them from nightshade plants, too. Tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant and many other related vegetables contain them.

Vape your electronic cigarette for the number of puffs equal to a cigarette and you will get 8ng of nitrosamines. Smoke a Marlboro Red and you get 11,190ng. The anti-vaping crowd doesn't share that little bit of info.

Nitrosamine Levels - Smoke versus Vapor

People cling to whatever they can find to denigrate products and foods they want to steer folks away from. Those same people may love high cholesterol and high sugar foods and eat them in mass quantities. They'll tell you how bad your ecigs are while they eat chocolate pie and drink their Starbucks coffee.

"I read it on the Internet" is your first clue that the information may require further research.

 

[zoiDman]

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Looks to me like a cut-and-paste job from the first 10 results of a google search done by impaired monkeys. Junk, I tell you. Junk.

Unfortunately, this is what Much of "News Reporting" has become.

Grab a Flashy Headline off the AP Wire. Make it Flashier. Chop out the Sum and Substance so it fits in 100 Words or Less. Slap it onto a your Web Site.

It's sometimes more about get Page Hits to show Advertisers than it I about Providing Meaningful Facts and Figures.

 

[sandybeach]

So it was a 2009 study? Jeez!

 

[sandybeach]

The only problem I have had in my year and a half of vaping, is that I do have more "junk" to clear out of the back of my throat. So vaping may be a throat irritant for me, but certainly not as much as cigarettes were.

 

[DaveP]

The only problem I have had in my year and a half of vaping, is that I do have more "junk" to clear out of the back of my throat. So vaping may be a throat irritant for me, but certainly not as much as cigarettes were.

The PG/VG vapor you inhale into your lungs does kind of accumulate in the bronchial tubes, but most of it doesn't get absorbed by the lungs from what I have read. You cough it back up. The particle size of cigarette smoke ash allows the particles to make it to the air sacs in the lungs where the nic is absorbed along with all the bad stuff. All that airborne tar from tobacco is absorbed by the lungs and kicked right to the heart, then the brain.

With vaping, most of it is absorbed by the mucous membranes and doesn't go directly through the heart before being introduced into the blood stream. The vapor droplet size is too large to make it that far. Cilia in the bronchial tubes filter and accumulate the vapor and send most of it back up to the throat. The nic is absorbed mostly by the sinuses and mucous membranes, similar to wearing a nic patch outside the body.

You don't really have to inhale vapor to get the nic. Draw slowly into the mouth and hold it, then inhale if you want, but shallowly and then exhale it. Most of the nic is absorbed through the mouth and sinuses. A shallow inhale and an exhale through the nose will get most of the nic into your system.

 

[sandybeach]

Yeah, Dave, makes sense. It could also be because I double or triple puff on the PV, let a little out of my nose, then I inhale.

 

[cags]

I didn't read the article, because I don't care
in my opinion, just living life has cancer causing components!

 

[TomCatt]

If you vape tobacco flavors you may get tiny and insignificant amounts of Nitrosamines that are remnants of the huge amounts of carcinogens in tobacco. They may also be present in pharmaceutical nicotine used in all ecig juice flavors, but you get them from nightshade plants, too. Tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant and many other related vegetables contain them.

Vape your electronic cigarette for the number of puffs equal to a cigarette and you will get 8ng of nitrosamines. Smoke a Marlboro Red and you get 11,190ng. The anti-vaping crowd doesn't share that little bit of info.

Nitrosamine Levels - Smoke versus Vapor

People cling to whatever they can find to denigrate products and foods they want to steer folks away from. Those same people may love high cholesterol and high sugar foods and eat them in mass quantities. They'll tell you how bad your ecigs are while they eat chocolate pie and drink their Starbucks coffee.

"I read it on the Internet" is your first clue that the information may require further research.

 

[Vocalek]

And let me point something out about that chart on this page: Nitrosamine Levels - Smoke versus Vapor

Notice that the measurement is in nanograms per gram. So reading the chart, you would find 8.18 nanograms in a gram of liquid. A gram is roughly equivalent to a milliliter of liquid, which lasts me two days. You can do your own math to figure out what your daily exposure would tote up to. Now go down the chart and find your brand of smokes. Now remember, that is nanograms per gram, and a pack of cigarettes weighs about 1.1 ounces, which converts to 28.3495 grams. There are 20 cigarettes in a pack, so divide 28.3495 by 20 to get grams per cigarette: 1.417. So how many cigarettes per day did you smoke? Multiply that by the nanograms per gram in your brand.

Example, 20 Marlboros per day = 1.417 * 20 = 28.345 grams * nanograms per gram (11,190) = 317,230 nanograms per day of nitrosamines.

Which sounds more likely to cause cancer, eight per day or three hundred seventeen thousand, two hundred thirty per day?

 

[zoiDman]

And let me point something out about that chart on this page: Nitrosamine Levels - Smoke versus Vapor

Notice that the measurement is in nanograms per gram. So reading the chart, you would find 8.18 nanograms in a gram of liquid. A gram is roughly equivalent to a milliliter of liquid, which lasts me two days. You can do your own math to figure out what your daily exposure would tote up to. Now go down the chart and find your brand of smokes. Now remember, that is nanograms per gram, and a pack of cigarettes weighs about 1.1 ounces, which converts to 28.3495 grams. There are 20 cigarettes in a pack, so divide 28.3495 by 20 to get grams per cigarette: 1.417. So how many cigarettes per day did you smoke? Multiply that by the nanograms per gram in your brand.

Example, 20 Marlboros per day = 1.417 * 20 = 28.345 grams * nanograms per gram (11,190) = 317,230 nanograms per day of nitrosamines.

Which sounds more likely to cause cancer, eight per day or three hundred seventeen thousand, two hundred thirty per day?

This is what kinda Ticks me Off.

It's not that they are Lying. No, they are Not. But most people who read an article like the one Posted will come away with a Completely Different Opinion then they would have if they have Posted the Numerical Comparison with Analogs.

We used to call it "Deception thru Omission".

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What I found disturbing about this article is they do not link to where the data can be reviewed.

And they did not say what the amount of Cancer Causing Chemicals there were.

There are Cancer Causing Chemicals in just about all Processed Foods. But their level is so Low, many times Almost Undetectable, that they pose no Real Danger.

 

[DaveP]

And let me point something out about that chart on this page: Nitrosamine Levels - Smoke versus Vapor

Notice that the measurement is in nanograms per gram. So reading the chart, you would find 8.18 nanograms in a gram of liquid. A gram is roughly equivalent to a milliliter of liquid, which lasts me two days. You can do your own math to figure out what your daily exposure would tote up to. Now go down the chart and find your brand of smokes. Now remember, that is nanograms per gram, and a pack of cigarettes weighs about 1.1 ounces, which converts to 28.3495 grams. There are 20 cigarettes in a pack, so divide 28.3495 by 20 to get grams per cigarette: 1.417. So how many cigarettes per day did you smoke? Multiply that by the nanograms per gram in your brand.

Example, 20 Marlboros per day = 1.417 * 20 = 28.345 grams * nanograms per gram (11,190) = 317,230 nanograms per day of nitrosamines.

Which sounds more likely to cause cancer, eight per day or three hundred seventeen thousand, two hundred thirty per day?

Thanks for the further explanation. It sounds much better the way you said it!

Seems to me that the 2009 FDA report on Ruyan ecigs showed the 8ng number to be referenced to a deciliter volume ... 8ng/dl. It all needs to be expressed in some measurement range that the public actually uses and understands. Most of us would have to think hard and Google to convert gallons into liters. It's a shame that the US didn't convert years ago when they tried to get the nation to adopt the metric system. We'd all be used to it by now.

 

[DC2]

Thanks for the further explanation. It sounds much better the way you said it!

Everything always sounds better the way she says it.
That's why we love her!


And that's why she is the President of CASAA.
One of the many who fight for us every day, and have my undying gratitude.

 

[BostonVape]

lol even if it does cause cancer.. its much healthier cancer than cigarettes

i'll take my chances vaping for sure.

 

[camaro73]

Smoking or vaping, your lungs were not meant for it. But who listens? I know I don't.

 

[DaveP]

I've tried to find really negative, but honest research that supports ecigs being harmful. Compared to burning tobacco, any harm caused by PG, VG, cake, candy, and tobacco flavors that make up the juice we use is just not even a fair comparison to tobacco.

We vape daily all day and that would compound the effects of vapor. PG is misted into the HVAC systems at hospitals, although at a much lower level than we inhale. The workers in these hospitals breathe PG mist as much as 12 hours a day with no ill effects. PG is in soft drinks, toothpaste, just about all makeup cremes, and PG is the chief ingredient in the Systane eyedrops I use when my eyes feel dry. Those eyedrops were given as a sample when I had my last eye exam for new glasses.

Then, there's the flavorings. Same stuff that's used in the foods and drinks we consume. Nothing there to talk about, really. Some juices have a little PGA (pure grain alcohol), but so does my mouthwash. Then, there's water in some. Nada. What's to worry about? I just haven't found anything to question at great length. Yeah, you get some nitrosamines in a trace level if you vape tobacco flavored juice. Same with certain foods we eat. The more processed the food, the more bad things you get. Fried pork will get you loads of nitrites that turn into loads of nitrosamines in your digestive system.

So, if someone talks bad about your ecig while they are eating a double bacon processed cheese burger and drinking a diet soda, you should wonder about how much research they did on both.