What's the (continuing) attraction of mechanical mods?

[Completely Average]

People use mechs because some people just like them.

Being an owner of several mechs though, I'll be the first to tell you that anyone who says their easier or more convenient is telling you something other than the truth. They require a LOT more fiddling, cleaning, and tweaking than any VV/VW mod I've ever owned. Simple things like setting them down sometimes require locking the button so it doesn't fire by itself, and the buttons are notoriously poor. I can name a couple of dozen mech mods that suffer from common button problems. Crunching and stinking are the norm.


But for me, I simply found that I prefer a vape that no mech mod can deliver. I like high ohm, high watt vaping. 1.4+ ohms in the 18+ watt range. That's more than 5 volts to provide the vape that I like. Cooler than subohming but just as much vapor and IMO, even more flavor. It's been a long time since I picked up one of my mechs.

 

[Kevin littell]

I had a long list of hundred dollar variable volt units go belly up because a 22 penny unrepairable microswitch went bad.....Almost went back to the stinkies and in a last ditch effort bought a Nemesis clone and a Kayfun.


Now all I buy is wire cotton and juice.


Simplicity my friend. Life is too short to surround yourself with expensive, finicky, fidgety cheaply made Chinese trinkets.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

modularity.

backup

adjustable center pin.

I use kicks in my mechs.

I have a bucket load of kicks I'd sell you. The space they take isn't worth the feature. I'd rather use an 18650 in an unregulated mod and change out when tired than carry that extra length for an 18500 or 18350.. It was a good idea, but doesn't begin to compare to the convenience of an Istock 4400 mah.

 

[Thrasher]

Being an owner of several mechs though, I'll be the first to tell you that anyone who says their easier or more convenient is telling you something other than the truth.

All I'm gonna say to this is stop buying crap from China.

If you've had these problem with real authentics then you have been buying the wrong ones.
I challenge you to find me an owner of a mmv. Atmizoo, atmomixani or vaporart product who has run into any of the issues you speak of.

Poorly made authentics are a black eye to the real craftsmen and make it hard for people in these clone vs authentic threads to understand the difference.

Vaporart considers it a defect if anything is above .05 mm tolerance, that's not a typo .05 and then they toss it in the clearance bin, there switch is considered legendary, with a 1 mm throw, if you can feel the seams they refuse to sell it as A grade, the mods they throw away are still 5 times better then most other crap

find me a pinoy or facebook group mod or fasttech clone made like that and I will agree with you.

 

[AndriaD]

Yes but is that a copy of the clone that was a clone of the copy that was copied from the clone?



Gotta love China, while all this cloning isn't cool, they aren't even safe from themselves. Lol

That's like one of mine. It's called a Fallen Angel, an EHPro version of the Electric Angel... which, come to find out, is actually a clone too, of one of the "GG" mods I think. The Fallen Angel, from all reviews I've found, is apparently better quality than the Electric Angel, maybe closer to the original. I find it a perfect work of art, though the bottom button can be a bit awkward, I'm kinda getting used to it.

Andria

 

[DreadNaught27]

Wow, that's a lot of great information! I'm just getting started, but have seen some mods that friends have. Now I have lots of questions for them on why they like the ones they chose. lol

 

[Smeef]

Simplicity for me. I own both and use both mechs and VW devices. Mechs are more of a mellow, laid back vape for when I'm sitting at home relaxing.

 

[Thrasher]

I've only used kicks briefly in a couple of telescopes and Katos. Mostly Katos which are obviously aluminum making anything like that unnoticable.

That is good to know though, thanks. I have a 3D 510 base coming that I'm hoping to make a kicklet out of combined with some Nemisis parts.

Hmmm
I have the 510 base that came with my dome. That's a cool idea

 

[Ablonz]

I own both VW and a mech. I still use both but depending on what I am doing ATM. When driving around or at work, I use my tank and the VW as more juice being held, less time dripping. At home or the local B&M, I use my mech. Most of the time I use my mech for taste testing my DIY juices. Both have their perks.

 

[Brkdnc]

Simplicity for me. I own both and use both mechs and VW devices. Mechs are more of a mellow, laid back vape for when I'm sitting at home relaxing.

I am sitting here reading this using a Nemesis Copper Clone w/ kick and a protank2 while my Kbox w/ subtank mini sits in front of me on the desk not being used. It's more of a mood thing for me at times. I just like that heavy sturdy feeling a Mech Mod has sometimes.

 

[Completely Average]

All I'm gonna say to this is stop buying crap from China.

If you've had these problem with real authentics then you have been buying the wrong ones.
I challenge you to find me an owner of a mmv. Atmizoo, atmomixani or vaporart product who has run into any of the issues you speak of.

Nemesis Switch Issue

Dingo switch problems

Poldiac button

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lo-gp-snp-more-part-3-a-511.html#post14308861

There you go. Switch problems on every authentic mod you named. It wasn't even hard to find.


I'm going to say that like most people who drop a ton of money on authentic mech mods you believe that because they cost more they must be better. I've got a friend with an authentic Nemesis and I've got the Hcigar clone. Guess which one of us has had the fewest button problems... I'll give you a hint, he now owns the Hcigar clone too.

I do so love the "I spent more so mine is better" attitude. I'll bet you're the type of person who would buy an Acura and actually believe you have a better car than a Honda.

 

[EJAB]

A mechanical mod is like a "manual" transmission/"stick-shift" and an APV is similar to an "automatic" transmission.

 

[Paramaniac413]

Out of all of my gear, I use my Reo the most, but there are 3 (at the moment) other mechs I'd like to at least be able to 'fondle.' I do enjoy my Paragon clone, I do enjoy my VF clone, I still enjoy my eGos. A mech, to me, is like sitting down at night with a good scotch, figuring out which cigar to puff on (yes, I'm a woman and smoked cigars), and which movie to watch. Mechs are (again, for me) for B&M's and home (not counting my REO - that is a go anywhere Vape for me). Mostly, though, my mech is a backup. They look good, they feel good in the hand, and offer a different vaping experience. It all comes down to person preference and staying off analogs (if that's where you came from). I have no problems with clones, either. I can't afford most authentics, so a clone is fine by me. If/when shtf, and my VW chip dies, my mechs will work. Besides, I can swap flavors easier. lol. I get ADD tongue sometimes.


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[Thrasher]

Nemesis Switch Issue

Dingo switch problems

Poldiac button

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lo-gp-snp-more-part-3-a-511.html#post14308861

There you go. Switch problems on every authentic mod you named. It wasn't even hard to find.


I'm going to say that like most people who drop a ton of money on authentic mech mods you believe that because they cost more they must be better. I've got a friend with an authentic Nemesis and I've got the Hcigar clone. Guess which one of us has had the fewest button problems... I'll give you a hint, he now owns the Hcigar clone too.

I do so love the "I spent more so mine is better" attitude. I'll bet you're the type of person who would buy an Acura and actually believe you have a better car than a Honda.

Dingo thread
They wanted me to send it back as they'd never had a problem like it s it ok with no atty or battery in



Poldiac thread

but II unscrewed the screws almost fully open on the button both ends and wow the button is now perfect i missed this as there was no rattle




Gp thread

I'm having trouble with my Paps SS V3/Heron combo but i can't figure out the problem. Seems like i'm getting a lot of voltage drop or something, it's just not hitting as hard and smooth as it should.
Well silly me, i few wipes with the scotch brite pad like you suggested fixed it.



Nemesis thread

The locking ring has lost its smooth action (even after a clean) and no longer can be 'flicked' to lock/unlock. It requires manual turning and has become very stiff.
I talked with Michalis...Most possible cause for that is dirty threads after use.

So let's see
Hmmm
We got
User error for screwing an Atty on too tight, a well documented problem with the roller and dingo. Too much force causes the button to stick


user error for not checking screws out of the box

User error for forgetting to clean his mod

And

User error for bunking up threads on a locking ring and forgetting to clean the switch threads once in a while.

Isn't cleaning threads a thing even with regulated mods?


Sorry next contestant please

 

[HecticEnergy]

I mostly use mechs. Similar to others, for portability and durability. My 4nine with the derringer will fit entirely in my hand with just the driptip sticking out. for a stealth vape I'll put it in 18350 mode with a kayfun which is a similar size, though I seldom have a need for that.
I had a smpl clone but dropped it and now the button refuses to thread back in correctly. I put it in the drawer because if I'm ever hard up I can fix it and be vaping again fairly quickly.
As others have mentioned price is a big draw. You can get a cloned mech for under $10. Personally I don't build below 0.5 ohms except in rare occasion, in which case my lower limit is 0.2ohms as I like to have some margin for error.
My Reo stays with a cyclone atty on top built around 1.5 ohms. That's what I have my adv in and I use that when diving or leaving the house.
I recently got a segelli 100w+ as I wanted something regulated that didn't require frequent battery changed, and something I can use to put a lot of power through an arty provided. Wanted to cloud chase.
I prefer a regulated vape as it is consistent but never messed with kicks as I prefer the battery life of the 18650s.
Future proofing is another good reason to buy a mech. But as others have said, gain the knowledge first, then get your mech(s).
I feel like my reo will last me several decades based on reviews, so I'll just need to make sure I have plenty of 18650s to keep it fed it's the only non Chinese authentic I own and I love it. It's not my only device that I use on a daily basis, but it does get the most use!

Like everything else with vaping it's all about personal preference. As the watt race continues the prices of these high wattage boxes will continue to drop and I think we'll see mechs go the way of the genesis atomizers: some will have them and swear by them, but it will be a niche thing inside the vaping community. That's assuming nothing chases in the regulatory environment, but I see a storm coming. So protect yourself from the vapocolipse and be sure to fight for your vaping rights!


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[juicynoos]

Ahh, sorry didn't realise there's a third clone as well.

OK thanks. I'll have to see how the Waidea pans out - the only guy I know who has one, posting here in the Temp Control forum, has only used it with the LG HE batteries (albeit rewrapped as Efest), and said they were so snug you had to remove all labels, which matches what owners of the genuine VF 2.1 are saying as well.

I read that same thread and the fatter battery's are the 3100 mah efest which are re-wrapped Panasonics most likely, not the LG HE cells and they are the only battery's you would have a tight fit with in the Waidea VF v3 clone you ordered. All flat top 18650's fitted in with space to spare including labels an all !!!! So no issue and not like the authentic VF to speak of.

BTW, I like the avatar, you choose well and perfect for this neck of the woods

 

[blowitoutyournose]

Interesting thread. I have had a long-ish experience with electronic cigarettes, and never considered myself super technical or precise. I am so glad that my experience included a mechanical mod, dozens of feet of kanthal, and patience.
When I switched from my fourth eGo to a Vamo, I was initially stoked. variable Power and I can just pop out the battery when it's low? Perfect. But with my carto tank, I was carrying a wand. A wand that maxed out at 15 watts. When I first got the nemesis, I also began my Kayfun collection. Which led to a handful of RBA's.
In essence, I felt a freedom with my setup that I never had with an eGo or a Vamo. I could use the device daily, drop it countless times, and never feel a twinge of anxiety about it breaking. I could spend a small amount of time and try a different coil setup, finding a balance between flavor, vapor, and temperature.
The form factor is very important to me, and I never trusted all-in-one home theater equipment.I do not like having electronic components that can fail and brick entire systems. If the coil was bad I could dump it, if the battery was low I could replace it, if the mod was gunked up I could clean it.
But for the last couple of months I have been looking. At first I felt kind of dirty, as if trolling Ashley Madison behind my SMPL's back. But then I remembered something-- I didn't have to rely solely on reddit and my wits, I could use ecf for real information! So I read 59 pages on the IPV Mini V2 and made a decision.
The technology is now to a point where a compact, powerful, durable, reliable, affordable, and ultimately safer device exists. And I am ready to move on. The SMPL will remain on-hand, though, and passed on to my grandchildren with a story.
Also, here's to my first post! Long-time lurker, first-time caller.

 

[Thrasher]

I will add
Humans do make these things, out of 10000 sold you gotta expect a problem once in a while it happens, Mondays suck. Can't wait to leave on Fri for the party etc.

Even the best cars in the world have failures.

But trying to compare one or two stuck buttons to the pages and pages of clone problems just reenforces my point about better made = less problems.

As a side note, when's the last time fasttech said " really? Return it immediately so we can find out why and fix it for you"

as long as you get a clone of a quality item chances are the clone turns out great if the cloner paid attention to the original. An example is the gp clone fasttech used to sell. Gp busted a gasket. And fasttech discontinued it. ( if you know where to look it will be the best mod you ever own for 12 dollars but they hid it.) I got 2 .

Mechs can be wonderful but any high performance machine needs care, be it cars. Boats. Bikes or mech mods. To abuse and neglect ANY of these objects is inviting failure, then those same people go ,,, see I told you mechanicals suck

 

[juicynoos]

Couldn't agree with you more 'blowitoutyournose'..lol That's some username you got there
Did you pull the trigger on the iPV mini 2 ?? I got one myself and it's been great so far apart from the paint issue but got a wrap to cover up the peeling paint.
Thanks for sharing your journey, sounds very familiar to me, especially, " A wand that maxed out at 15 watts"...hahaha

 

[juicynoos]

I will add
Humans do make these things, out of 10000 sold you gotta expect a problem once in a while it happens, Mondays suck. Can't wait to leave on Fri for the party etc.

Even the best cars in the world have failures.

But trying to compare one or two stuck buttons to the pages and pages of clone problems just reenforces my point about better made = less problems.

As a side note, when's the last time fasttech said " really? Return it immediately so we can find out why and fix it for you"

as long as you get a clone of a quality item chances are the clone turns out great if the cloner paid attention to the original. An example is the gp clone fasttech used to sell. Gp busted a gasket. And fasttech discontinued it. ( if you know where to look it will be the best mod you ever own for 12 dollars but they hid it.) I got 2 .

Mechs can be wonderful but any high performance machine needs care, be it cars. Boats. Bikes or mech mods. To abuse and neglect ANY of these objects is inviting failure, then those same people go ,,, see I told you mechanicals suck

You know Thrasher, different strokes for different folks...good defensive play there though with the human error factoring on mech critique. Yeah. Mondays aren't my favorite either except I got a tip off on a possible $12 Gp clone that I'd love to own-shoot me a PM if Tuesday turns out better for ya