What's the (continuing) attraction of mechanical mods?

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When I'm out and about I love my little iStick.

But at home mechs are the only way to go.

Sitting here right now surrounded but a brazillion dollars worth of gear vaping on a 15 dollar FT Nemy with a nautilus and some bathtub juice thinking life doesn't get any better.

After I'm sure they are working perfect I give them to smokers. Maybe they get used, maybe they don't. But its easier to say press here and vape then adjust the VV to 7.1 and lock this or you'll get a 30 watt death hit and do this and do that. If it takes more then 8 seconds to learn to drive a Nemy I'm prolly wasting my time.

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As roxynoodle has already mentioned, with a mech one needs to understand ohms law and battery safety. Each battery has a C rating. Within this C rating the Maximum Continuous Discharge rate can be determined in amperes. One must not exceed the MCD rate of the battery being used and preferably stay 15-20% below it.

So, let's take, for instance, a Sony VTC5. This battery has a MCD rate of 30 amps. Personally, I wouldn't build anything lower that 0.16Ω as this is pulling 26.25 amps. I currently like my Hobo built at 0.24Ω. That is pulling 17.5A. Similar to pushing 73.5w on a regulated device.

If this doesn't make any sense to you, then you have studying to do before purchasing a mechanical mod.

Thanks for the examples! Yeah, I've already done a bunch of playing with the Steam Engine Ohms Law calculator (wanted to link it but guess I can't as a new user here!)

I expect I'll go all Sony VTC 5s, if/when I do get a mech. I've already ordered 2 of them to go in my VF DNA 40 clone when it eventually arrives, so it'll be convenient to have all of one type of battery. And they're pretty cheap on UK eBay - like £15 / $25 for two. I guess the worries about their becoming unavailable has died down (although I was amazed to see some other vendors selling them - with loads sold already - at £55 / $80 for two!)

The low wattage crowd doesn't come out much. They usually hide in the sub forums cause they get tired of arguing with the megawatt crowd.

But don't doubt it. There here.

Well they do have one very high profile member - pbusardo. His preferred vape is 13W. I don't think I've ever vaped below 20W thus far, and usually a minimum of 25W. I have done a number of builds in the 1.2 - 1.6 ohm range, which is where I think he builds at.
 

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The low wattage crowd doesn't come out much. They usually hide in the sub forums cause they get tired of arguing with the megawatt crowd.

But don't doubt it. There here.

Yep, and I'm sitting vaping my DEEEEEElicious strawberry & cream DIY with a 1.5Ω coil in my Kayfun, at 10.5w, wondering how it could possibly get any better than this, and even if it did, could I even handle it? You know, 'a man's got to know his limitations,' and asthmatic women do too! :D

I think some of the difference in vaping styles may have something to do with the kind of cigarettes we used to smoke. I had to switch to ultra-lights about 20 yrs ago, just to keep from coughing-up a lung with every drag. I smoked Virginia Slims ultra-lights for 20 yrs, so when I found vaping, I was AMAZED at how much better the throat-hit was, and that was at 6mg in an eRoll! Now I vape 10mg in a setup like that described above, and it's so much better in every possible way -- especially the flavor! Strawberries beat tobacco any damn day of the week! :thumb:

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Back up a second. Be real careful getting batteries on eBay. Over here our eBay is littered with fakes.

To the best of my knowledge there is still a supply issue for AUTHENTIC VTC 5's and even if there weren't, you probably shouldn't buy them from eBay as they are likely to be fakes if the price seems too good to be true!! Buy from trusted supplier's as recommended here:

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Oops, that was a typo, I meant VTC 4! :) Yes for VTC 5s I couldn't find a single known-good vendor still selling them in the UK. Plenty of good vendors selling VTC 4s though.

It's not just eBay - one of the UK's biggest (and most expensive) vape vendors was caught end of Dec 2014 selling fake VTC 5s (unknowingly they claim, and to be fair that's probably true.)

Frankly I can't see there being such a big difference between VTC 4 and 5. Sure 2600mah is nice, but 2100mah is hardly shabby (especially in two battery devices.) And for only £7.50 - £9 per battery it's easy and cheap enough to keep a few spare, pre-charged batteries.
 

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You are referring to that place based in Wembley Park aren'tcha..I followed that story and funny you mentioned them because I just checked their site as a reference to vtc5 availability and they are sold out on the vtc 4's to boot!!!!

I have several vtc 4's and honestly don't really rate them that highly at the price as compared to say Samsung 25R's with 2500 mah. They are cheaper from the USA than in the UK though. The vtc 4's are IMO like 3rd best choice. Check out some threads on battery performance if interested.:)
 

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You are referring to that place based in Wembley Park aren'tcha..I followed that story and funny you mentioned them because I just checked their site as a reference to vtc5 availability and they are sold out on the vtc 4's to boot!!!!

That's the one! :)

Funny, when I first started vaping I thought that supplier was the bee's knees and was going to order everything there.

I just had an eGo battery, and it took me like a week to realise that I could have a whole new, vastly better world; I was literally just about to buy a slightly better eGo, from the small eGo-reseller whom I bought my first one from (locally, in a B+M) when I happened to Google on a user's comment on their website about an "innokin", whatever the hell that was!

That finally connected me to real vaping, and from there I must have watched 15 videos by the Wembley crowd, getting excited about all their products.

The funny part is that, about 12 online orders and several hundred ££ of product later, I haven't ordered one single thing from them! And never will I bet. Their prices are awful and they delete negative comments on products (heard independently from two different people).

But still, I have them to thank for finally getting me really excited about vaping :)

I have several vtc 4's and honestly don't really rate them that highly at the price as compared to say Samsung 25R's with 2500 mah. They are cheaper from the USA than in the UK though. The vtc 4's are IMO like 3rd best choice. Check out some threads on battery performance if interested.:)

Ah OK, interesting. The reason I was sticking with VTC is because the Vapor Flask requires VTC 3, 4, 5 or the LG ones (according to Richard Ng on YT, other batteries won't even fit.) And because I'd heard so much about VTCs and little about LG, I just went with them.

Of course, I may be totally stupid to be sticking to VF USA's required list of batteries when I'm buying a Chinese clone anyway :)

I'll definitely check out those Samsungs, thanks!
 
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I believe the attraction toward mechanicals have a lot to do with durability, ease or use, and form factor. A well maintained mechanical can last for ever with proper batteries. Not to mention it's an easy way to get a ton of power if you want to.

I feel that mechanicals are unwillingly associated with vapor production. You have to look at the voltage you are working with and have it cater to your needs. You don't have to blow clouds, but you can if you want.

The first PV I picked after my MVP2 is my sigelei 150. I now feel comfortable looking at mechanicals after dealing with 18650s and a designated charger. I mainly want one because my regulated box is kind of big.
 

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Not going to lie. In 2.5 years of vaping I've acquired a couple dozen IMR's of all sizes and have some timeless mechs (Caravela's and Mark Bugs wizards). Those IMR's prevented me from ever trying sub-ohming and now that regulated mods (I do like my Provari) are proliferating I can't wait for these batteries to wear out. I hate waste, so I'll keep using them until then. But I really can't wait to get something like a 50w Istick. 4400mah and pass through USB charging is like a dream to a battery changer like me. As much as I like my mechs, there is so much more you can do with a regulated mod.
 

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I have a VF 40 clone and use PVTSO batteries no problem.
PVTSO Elite IMR 18650, 2100mAh Battery, Flat Top


Great, thanks for confirming! Do you recall which exact clone you have? To our knowledge, there are two main types - the Kangxin and the Waidea/Sunlay.

The Kangxin was the first, and it says something like "KX-DNA40" when you start it up.

The Waidea by contrast says just "DNA 40".

I ask because I ordered the latter, and the latter is known to have some slight manufacturing differences to the first Kangxin's.
 

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Not going to lie. In 2.5 years of vaping I've acquired a couple dozen IMR's of all sizes and have some timeless mechs (Caravela's and Mark Bugs wizards). Those IMR's prevented me from ever trying sub-ohming and now that regulated mods (I do like my Provari) are proliferating I can't wait for these batteries to wear out. I hate waste, so I'll keep using them until then. But I really can't wait to get something like a 50w Istick. 4400mah and pass through USB charging is like a dream to a battery changer like me. As much as I like my mechs, there is so much more you can do with a regulated mod.
No! Don't do it! Lol. Tethers aren't all they're cracked up to be. Turns out, me coming from the reverse direction, only popping batteries in and out is better. Of course only IMO.
 

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Great, thanks for confirming! Do you recall which exact clone you have? To our knowledge, there are two main types - the Kangxin and the Waidea/Sunlay.

The Kangxin was the first, and it says something like "KX-DNA40" when you start it up.

The Waidea by contrast says just "DNA 40".

I ask because I ordered the latter, and the latter is known to have some slight manufacturing differences to the first Kangxin's.

I have the infinite clone. No temp control. 40w. Board says evolv dna40 when it starts up. Batteries have plenty of room to go in and out.


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I have the infinite clone. No temp control. 40w. Board says evolv dna40 when it starts up. Batteries have plenty of room to go in and out.

Ahh, sorry didn't realise there's a third clone as well.

OK thanks. I'll have to see how the Waidea pans out - the only guy I know who has one, posting here in the Temp Control forum, has only used it with the LG HE batteries (albeit rewrapped as Efest), and said they were so snug you had to remove all labels, which matches what owners of the genuine VF 2.1 are saying as well.
 
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