What's up with all the China hate?
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They can request to inspect anywhere in the world, they just can't insist or enforce anything outside the US.
I didn't know they had actually gotten a nicotine extraction facility in the USA? Spending several years in advertising, just the lack of a comma here and there can turn one statement into an entirely different one. But I am curious if a USA plant has gone up.
That is what this statement is inferring, but they don't say the plant is in the USA. All nic extract has to be approved/inspected to get into the states by the FDA. I don't know if that involves "out of country" site inspection, etc....I'll have to do some homework!
Lots of good posts here. Plenty of food for thought. Some of the negative about Chinese products (especially anything that is ingested) may go back to the 80's ban on L-Tryptophan that supposedly was manufactured in China. The FDA claimed it gave people a disease called EMS. Hard to shake that kind of skeleton in the closest.
The main problem I have with China, (Japan,etc), is that after 27 years and 5 months of work in a very hard factory, and then 7 months before I could I retire, I get the wonderful notice that, "Terminated due to reduction in head count".
Don't get me wrong, please I own several China made mods, etc. They just don't have the quality that the Good Ole USA does in their products.
I buy lots of products from other countries than the USA. But I guess it's just personal with me. Sorry? NOT. It's all a fact of life now days.
Don't get me wrong, please I own several China made mods, etc. They just don't have the quality that the Good Ole USA does in their products.
I buy lots of products from other countries than the USA. But I guess it's just personal with me. Sorry? NOT. It's all a fact of life now days.
Really?!?! We're gonna go thru all dis again?
While ya'll are 'debating' Sino vs.Yankee products, work conditions, prices, defects and etc., we're all gettin' it up da north side of our south bound donkey in our own living rooms!
If it weren't for da ChiComs (Dere's an ol' cold war tag dat isn't taught in our public schools anymore! Non-PC, ya know...
), most of us wouldn't be and/or could afford vaping.
As a 20 year mil vet, I bleed red, white and blue! But, some of ya'll truly need a dose of reality. My US green is 'bout day-um near tapped...
BTW, I've received more 'rejects' from da 'on shore' vendors than I have from FT, Health Cabin and Chinabuy combined. Oh, wait... ya'll tellin' me dat our on shore vendors are buying from...
And sum of ya'll bad mouth da individual co$t con$cience vaper... GET REAL!!! Wake up and smell da... (sorry, had to)
While ya'll are 'debating' Sino vs.Yankee products, work conditions, prices, defects and etc., we're all gettin' it up da north side of our south bound donkey in our own living rooms!
If it weren't for da ChiComs (Dere's an ol' cold war tag dat isn't taught in our public schools anymore! Non-PC, ya know...
As a 20 year mil vet, I bleed red, white and blue! But, some of ya'll truly need a dose of reality. My US green is 'bout day-um near tapped...
BTW, I've received more 'rejects' from da 'on shore' vendors than I have from FT, Health Cabin and Chinabuy combined. Oh, wait... ya'll tellin' me dat our on shore vendors are buying from...
And sum of ya'll bad mouth da individual co$t con$cience vaper... GET REAL!!! Wake up and smell da... (sorry, had to)
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I didn't know they had actually gotten a nicotine extraction facility in the USA? Spending several years in advertising, just the lack of a comma here and there can turn one statement into an entirely different one. But I am curious if a USA plant has gone up.
That is what this statement is inferring, but they don't say the plant is in the USA. All nic extract has to be approved/inspected to get into the states by the FDA. I don't know if that involves "out of country" site inspection, etc....I'll have to do some homework!
There is a commercial nicotine plant planned for the US I read but not yet up and running. Currently all commercial production is from places like China, India, Scandinavia and Germany amongst others.
I notice many US liquid makers use statements like all our ingredients are sourced from US suppliers, well, so is a cheap TV bought from Walmart but I am guessing the chances of it being made in the US are not good. The ones who use US made ingredients would state that I would think.
Funnily enough, Hangsen use PG made in the US by Dow Chemicals.
Found what I was looking for....kinda:
Alchem International Announces NicSelectTM, New Branding for Its Liquid Nicotine | Sep 20, 2013
"NicSelectTM is the new brand name of Alchem’s “vaping-grade” nicotine – liquid nicotine that doesn’t just meet but exceeds USP standards for quality purity."
About Us - Alchem International
"Alchem International is an export orientated company with sales in over 35 countries and 90% of production exported out of India and regulatory dossiers filed in over 20 countries."
Alchem International Announces NicSelectTM, New Branding for Its Liquid Nicotine | Sep 20, 2013
"NicSelectTM is the new brand name of Alchem’s “vaping-grade” nicotine – liquid nicotine that doesn’t just meet but exceeds USP standards for quality purity."
About Us - Alchem International
"Alchem International is an export orientated company with sales in over 35 countries and 90% of production exported out of India and regulatory dossiers filed in over 20 countries."
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201, Empire Plaza,
Mehrauli - Gurgaon Road,
Sultanpur
New Delhi-110 030
INDIA
I guess that Tennessee Ernie Ford reference wasn't quite enough.
I never said the US is a "lily white beacon...." In fact, I said quite the opposite. As to the "intelligent person" bit, -- I'm perfectly willing and capable of rolling out the flamethrower and getting this thread closed and both you and I 'moved on' from ECF in a heartbeat. Check that nonsense at the door, please.
Ummmm.....yea. Sorry to hear you got ripped on the Retirement. Doubt it was China's fault though.
Company I work for just pulled the same stunt. Many short term to retirement and a total of 80 employees cut from as staffing of about 350. Facility runs 4 shifts, so not really a lot of people per.
2 Months later we Have 100-150 Temps working week to week and our production was pushed to A 28% increase over last year.
Greed is greed and it seems American business men are good at it.
okay, this may be a dumb, already common knowledge question, but what makes nicotine vaping-safe?
Not sure, but probably a purity thing, nicotine can be used as part of pesticides which I would think can contain more impurities than you would want for vaping.
I don't hate the Chinese one bit. They make my cartomizers! And almost everything else. If anything, I LOVE the Chinese. Also, the Volt's line of juices are Chinese, and their RY4 is actually pretty freakin' good.
EDIT: There is also a lot of ignorant xenophobia. "China" is this huge, faceless, unstoppable force of commerce and trade. How many of us have ever actually met someone from China (not a second-or-third generation Asian-American, I'm talking full blown Chinese)? They are very humble and overly polite. My roommate is a member of couchsurfers.com and we had a guy stay at our house for three nights named Light Chang. I'm serious. Anyway, he's biking across the country. Yes, literally biking across the U.S. We warned him about the desert! But while being his host for three days, we really got a chance to know him.
They're just like us. We're all human. He was incredibly polite and well-mannered and just genuinely nice. Coolest thing is, he taught himself English through Wu-Tang albums. When we found that out, me and my roommate went nuts. We all did the Wu-Tang hand double-yous, and he even said, on his own, "You need to diversify your bonds, blank!"
2ND EDIT: And if China just stopped sending us vape gear and supplies... Are you ready to buy only American and pay big time? Goodbye most cartos. Goodbye mass produced atomizers. Goodbye mass produced, cheap to obtain mods. Goodbye Joyetech and your Twists. Goodbye Vision with your ViVi Novas and your Spinners. Goodbye Smoktech and your mods and your Winders. Goodbye, Innokin and your iTastes and iClears. Goodbye anything eGo related (batteries, chargers, etc.)
EDIT: There is also a lot of ignorant xenophobia. "China" is this huge, faceless, unstoppable force of commerce and trade. How many of us have ever actually met someone from China (not a second-or-third generation Asian-American, I'm talking full blown Chinese)? They are very humble and overly polite. My roommate is a member of couchsurfers.com and we had a guy stay at our house for three nights named Light Chang. I'm serious. Anyway, he's biking across the country. Yes, literally biking across the U.S. We warned him about the desert! But while being his host for three days, we really got a chance to know him.
They're just like us. We're all human. He was incredibly polite and well-mannered and just genuinely nice. Coolest thing is, he taught himself English through Wu-Tang albums. When we found that out, me and my roommate went nuts. We all did the Wu-Tang hand double-yous, and he even said, on his own, "You need to diversify your bonds, blank!"
2ND EDIT: And if China just stopped sending us vape gear and supplies... Are you ready to buy only American and pay big time? Goodbye most cartos. Goodbye mass produced atomizers. Goodbye mass produced, cheap to obtain mods. Goodbye Joyetech and your Twists. Goodbye Vision with your ViVi Novas and your Spinners. Goodbye Smoktech and your mods and your Winders. Goodbye, Innokin and your iTastes and iClears. Goodbye anything eGo related (batteries, chargers, etc.)
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CRXESSI'd love to say I enjoy all the Support American Business bla bla bla I keep reading. Fact is most will jump from one merchant to another just to save a few bucks. So much for customer loyalty.
My mindset is simple. I work to hard as is to worry about how many people can split up my money if I'm just willing to pay MORE than I should or need to.
Whether in the US or over seas, I purchase according to My own Value on the item.
I also see no need to debate health and safety as it pertains to e-liquids from any given location with those that have no more DIRECT knowledge than I.
Just remember, when reading Facts.........................According to Whom?
Thanks.
Many of us work hard for our money, yet are highly offended by the Walmart/Kmart mentallity of sacrifice to save a buck.Im one that is loyal to the core, and appreciate my own clients loyalty in a world where the meaning of the word has dissapeared like lightening. I've wished that I could choose one vendor alone and give them 100% of my business! that would be the easiest and the best. Truth is, most everyone here on ECF uses a "few" suppliers. Why? definitely NOT to save $; but to get the things we absolutely need. To date there isnt any one place that'll carry all of a vapers needs. So long as our tastes are as varied as there are brands of tobacco and types of PVs we'll need to "split up our money" as you put it. Batts out of stock, no tips sold, no juices sold, no end caps sold, etc, etc.
What really scares me is; if the day ever arrives when we see mega stores that carry just about everything you could think of "vape related"- neither you nor I will want to shop there - it might be worse than Kmart (or your dreaded equivelant). Ideas welcome!
Well i was on my phone and my post was lite so I should expect wild misinterpretation, personally im not hating on china. all my original gear was cheap stuff and it worked.
but lets clear this up.
I understand many people say man I cant afford to invest in something high end and it most be nice to have the cash to blow. well I dont so I decided to invest once and actually save money not keep buying the next thing in line hoping it will work better.
you get the PT, the mini PT now the PT2 maybe a davide, and hey throw in a couple novas, while your at it start searching for a good supplier of heads so you have a steady 8 dollar stream of money leaving your wallet.
well they work ok but recoiling them makes them work even better. and I want to try cartos too, so now I run to home depot to buy a tackle box to keep this vast collection of stuff in becuase Im trying these other tanks out now as well and they need their own heads which I will have to rewrape to work better. on and on. why do we need to keep playing ? because the consistency of the products isnt that great.
I bought a 50 dollar rba 6 months ago except for 20 cents in wick and wire once in a while I put all that cash i would have spent on cheap gear back in my pocket. I am constantly amused that the people asking when do you start saving money are the ones who keep buying cheap products. I have been vaping almost 2 years. true theres quit a bit of money sitting here but nothing compared to what I see people spending on a steady supply of the cheapos, i paid a heavy price for my gear but hey I only bought it once now I really am saving money. and a heck of a lot of it.
The russian proves china can make good products - Really? LOL all this does is prove they can reproduce a well made product. if you think they had anything to do with actually designing it your off your rocker. and its not a big savings from the original showing quality will still cost money no matter who made it.
Oh yea? china makes electronics too-
yea they do but even if it's china produced there is a big difference in a 13 cent resistor and a 3 dollar milspec resistor. quite frankly i find it odd when you look at the list of mods that are comparable or even better to the electronics in the provari, none were actually designed or made in china.
I didnt bring up electronics but hey there it is.
lets talk about mods then, I see huge posts dedicated to the steps needed to make a clone work better, sanding pins, changing springs, shimming buttons. on and on. funny how I bought my non clones and they worked perfect right out of the box, you want to have to play and use the excuse well i like to tinker anways as a defense the shoddy craftsmanship then they wont worry about fixing it either, it sells then why should they care.
I dont see high end equipment snapping 510's or stripping threads or centerpins that need to be pulled up or buttons misfiring, or the boards inside moving around. resistance errors, bad screens, failing buttons, and on and on and on.
many people would not buy cheap shoes at walmart, cheap 80 dollar chinese guitars, cheap 40 dollar 1000 watt car amps. so why does everyone defend the cheap e cig gear? you want to save money? quit playing around and tossing cash out the window.
crown amplifiers are made in china, considered a standard for touring musicians, a zero fault failure warranty, if it breaks they will replace it no questions asked. walk into any dealer drop it on the counter and walk out with a new one. but they do not offer this warranty on their cheaper line of products, why? because the standard of quality is different when they built it. even though its the same factory.
Im not putting china down, im saying if you want better quit buying this junk from them and FORCE them to make it better as long as you pay it will always be cheap. until then I will continue to buy top shelf gear designed and built somewhere else. except for a few things I wanted to try I havent had to actually buy anything in months because I needed to replace something.
so yea maybe people cant afford a 100 dollar tank, but i bet 8 months from now I will still be using that same tank while others have spent 5 times that playing with cheap stuff. I bought my cobra for $150 13 months ago, it does not cause me to pull my hair out like the aga nor does it sometimes leak like the RSST, except for a few scratches it works and looks like the day I pulled it out of the box, so money spent = money saved.
but lets clear this up.
I understand many people say man I cant afford to invest in something high end and it most be nice to have the cash to blow. well I dont so I decided to invest once and actually save money not keep buying the next thing in line hoping it will work better.
you get the PT, the mini PT now the PT2 maybe a davide, and hey throw in a couple novas, while your at it start searching for a good supplier of heads so you have a steady 8 dollar stream of money leaving your wallet.
well they work ok but recoiling them makes them work even better. and I want to try cartos too, so now I run to home depot to buy a tackle box to keep this vast collection of stuff in becuase Im trying these other tanks out now as well and they need their own heads which I will have to rewrape to work better. on and on. why do we need to keep playing ? because the consistency of the products isnt that great.
I bought a 50 dollar rba 6 months ago except for 20 cents in wick and wire once in a while I put all that cash i would have spent on cheap gear back in my pocket. I am constantly amused that the people asking when do you start saving money are the ones who keep buying cheap products. I have been vaping almost 2 years. true theres quit a bit of money sitting here but nothing compared to what I see people spending on a steady supply of the cheapos, i paid a heavy price for my gear but hey I only bought it once now I really am saving money. and a heck of a lot of it.
The russian proves china can make good products - Really? LOL all this does is prove they can reproduce a well made product. if you think they had anything to do with actually designing it your off your rocker. and its not a big savings from the original showing quality will still cost money no matter who made it.
Oh yea? china makes electronics too-
yea they do but even if it's china produced there is a big difference in a 13 cent resistor and a 3 dollar milspec resistor. quite frankly i find it odd when you look at the list of mods that are comparable or even better to the electronics in the provari, none were actually designed or made in china.
I didnt bring up electronics but hey there it is.
lets talk about mods then, I see huge posts dedicated to the steps needed to make a clone work better, sanding pins, changing springs, shimming buttons. on and on. funny how I bought my non clones and they worked perfect right out of the box, you want to have to play and use the excuse well i like to tinker anways as a defense the shoddy craftsmanship then they wont worry about fixing it either, it sells then why should they care.
I dont see high end equipment snapping 510's or stripping threads or centerpins that need to be pulled up or buttons misfiring, or the boards inside moving around. resistance errors, bad screens, failing buttons, and on and on and on.
many people would not buy cheap shoes at walmart, cheap 80 dollar chinese guitars, cheap 40 dollar 1000 watt car amps. so why does everyone defend the cheap e cig gear? you want to save money? quit playing around and tossing cash out the window.
crown amplifiers are made in china, considered a standard for touring musicians, a zero fault failure warranty, if it breaks they will replace it no questions asked. walk into any dealer drop it on the counter and walk out with a new one. but they do not offer this warranty on their cheaper line of products, why? because the standard of quality is different when they built it. even though its the same factory.
Im not putting china down, im saying if you want better quit buying this junk from them and FORCE them to make it better as long as you pay it will always be cheap. until then I will continue to buy top shelf gear designed and built somewhere else. except for a few things I wanted to try I havent had to actually buy anything in months because I needed to replace something.
so yea maybe people cant afford a 100 dollar tank, but i bet 8 months from now I will still be using that same tank while others have spent 5 times that playing with cheap stuff. I bought my cobra for $150 13 months ago, it does not cause me to pull my hair out like the aga nor does it sometimes leak like the RSST, except for a few scratches it works and looks like the day I pulled it out of the box, so money spent = money saved.
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I didn't know they had actually gotten a nicotine extraction facility in the USA? Spending several years in advertising, just the lack of a comma here and there can turn one statement into an entirely different one. But I am curious if a USA plant has gone up.
That is what this statement is inferring, but they don't say the plant is in the USA. All nic extract has to be approved/inspected to get into the states by the FDA. I don't know if that involves "out of country" site inspection, etc....I'll have to do some homework!
Please do! And let us know. It would be good for something to be "sure". Semantics can be a killer..
Edit: Thanks! Good detective work. So disappointed that it is 'just' an import. Didn't know that all nic has to be FDA inspected..
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And 8 months from now I will have my REO +RM2
Honestly I do not buy that much at all. I figure vaping costs me about $25 a month now. We all have to do what we have to do to get where we want to be. Takes me a little longer is all.
I find it a bit strange how people refer to "high end" and "China" as opposite extremes. Are Macbooks and iPhones junk?
The special economic zones in China where almost all exports come from are mainly funded by foreign investors looking for ever bigger profit by cutting production costs. If you want to flood the market with cheap junk, they'll help you with that. You're Apple and want a billion iPhones produced? They do that too. Need electronics components to assemble a Provari in the US? Sure!
The idea of outsourcing production is "ours", not "theirs". The "crap" quality is built to "our" as-cheap-as-possible-please specifications. Yet some blame China for making crap products and ruining economies. One could argue China simply allowed our profit nitpickers to fund the destruction of our own economies.
So, for those who think crap products from China is ruining the economy... Keep in mind who funded the factories, ordered the crap and demanded labor costs so low people have to work 100 hour weeks for hardly any pay. One could say the whole smorgasbord is "Made in America and Europe" even tho it's physically located in China.
I'm just as much part of the problem as anyone. Not trying to moralize from my high horse. Just trying to show a different perspective.
The special economic zones in China where almost all exports come from are mainly funded by foreign investors looking for ever bigger profit by cutting production costs. If you want to flood the market with cheap junk, they'll help you with that. You're Apple and want a billion iPhones produced? They do that too. Need electronics components to assemble a Provari in the US? Sure!
The idea of outsourcing production is "ours", not "theirs". The "crap" quality is built to "our" as-cheap-as-possible-please specifications. Yet some blame China for making crap products and ruining economies. One could argue China simply allowed our profit nitpickers to fund the destruction of our own economies.
So, for those who think crap products from China is ruining the economy... Keep in mind who funded the factories, ordered the crap and demanded labor costs so low people have to work 100 hour weeks for hardly any pay. One could say the whole smorgasbord is "Made in America and Europe" even tho it's physically located in China.
I'm just as much part of the problem as anyone. Not trying to moralize from my high horse. Just trying to show a different perspective.
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