Yup they are moving from Coral Springs to Orlando. I'm glad they are positive about it. I don't believe their site really mentions anything about vaping. I'm curious what other uses there are for nic base heh.
When should I be in panic mode?
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Yup they are moving from Coral Springs to Orlando. I'm glad they are positive about it. I don't believe their site really mentions anything about vaping. I'm curious what other uses there are for nic base heh.
Not sure how they can regulate mods like the Provari, Ego twist... etc. For example, bongs and water pipes which are used mainly for drug use are still being sold even though that drug is illegal in many places. Some people vape without any nicotine. I don't know how they will be able to argue successfully to be able to regulate it. The obvious counter argument is that the ingredients are deemed safe and are in zillion of common household foods/items (pg/vg and flavoring). It'll be interesting to see how and what exactly they want to regulate.
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You should definitely listen to this...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...red-do-you-want-feel-better-about-things.html
There is a valid school of thought that the worst that can happen from any/all new regs is that the prices will go up. They can ban what they like, but nothing stops a black market. You just pay more.
So as regards stockpiling, I wouldn't bother, unless money is tight. It's wise to keep a couple months' spares in hand, in any case. If I had less than that I'd start to get anxiety tremblings or who knows what
Doesn't apply anyway as there is at least a year's worth in the freezer and spares box. Don't know how people cope with less, I do the same with basic foodstuffs...
So as regards stockpiling, I wouldn't bother, unless money is tight. It's wise to keep a couple months' spares in hand, in any case. If I had less than that I'd start to get anxiety tremblings or who knows what
Doesn't apply anyway as there is at least a year's worth in the freezer and spares box. Don't know how people cope with less, I do the same with basic foodstuffs...
The pending regulations seem to require "substantially" not exceeding the limitations of those that were on the market in 2007, otherwise they must be submitted to the FDA for approval. Of hundreds of products which were submitted to the FDA for approval, NONE have even been put through the approval process. This MIGHT mean that MODs which according to the FDA "COULD" be used to inhale nicotine products must be removed from the marketplace. This is how many interprete the proposed regulations
Can you freeze e-juice, not speaking about nicotine, but e-juice with nicotine?
Obviously, the answer would be yes.
However, does anyone know how long e-juice can remain frozen
and be the same as when first frozen ??
Obviously, the answer would be yes.
However, does anyone know how long e-juice can remain frozen
and be the same as when first frozen ??
There is a valid school of thought that the worst that can happen from any/all new regs is that the prices will go up. They can ban what they like, but nothing stops a black market. You just pay more.
So as regards stockpiling, I wouldn't bother, unless money is tight. It's wise to keep a couple months' spares in hand, in any case. If I had less than that I'd start to get anxiety tremblings or who knows what
Doesn't apply anyway as there is at least a year's worth in the freezer and spares box. Don't know how people cope with less, I do the same with basic foodstuffs...
If the liquid is banned in the US, or overly regulated as to flavors or nicotine content, then you just import from overseas. They could probably put a damper on that by rolling e-liquid into the PACT act, but there are ways around that but it does cost more. It is very unlikely they could shut down all imports. For those that are determined to get it, it can be gotten. That's not the problem.
The problem is that you would have to be determined to get it and work around the system a bit. For the 40+ million people still smoking cigarettes that is not likely to be the case. How many people would simply not jump through the hoops in order to give it a try. The problem is not current users, and certainly not the folks hanging out here, its future potential users that are in a bind.
Agree there, Stubby. It's a darn shame. We'll be OK most likely but the flow of newcomers would be cut by 99%. That's probably what they want, anyway.
Unflavoured base will last 2 years plus in a cool dark place with low humidity (in a glass bottle ideally). PG will probably last longer than VG because PG is bactericidal but VG is only bacteriostatic, and in some circumstances it will support bacterial growth (like in condensation in the headspace).
Freezing it will probably make both PG and VG last 10 years plus, that is the best guess we have just now. Neither will freeze at -18C, the usual temperature of a domestic freezer. My VG nic base is a stiff jelly at -21C, PG doesn't freeze at all. Nevertheless the temp is low enough that changes should not occur. The unknown in this is if nicotine loses its potency over a decade when nearly frozen, we don't know that yet. Probably not but we don't know.
And the people with the "I got mines!" attitude, who aren't doing anything because they don't care...
Well, I'll just keep my mouth shut about that.
But if you're out there and reading this, just know that you wouldn't be here without people who fought for you.
Yeah, I know, you still don't care.
It's all going to be OK, there is a petition on the government website that is chugging along nicely with people signing. It is also now linked on multiple vendors websites so hopefully we will get the needed signatures by the deadline.
I may have misunderstood Pedrodus' post but I think he may have been asking about pre-mixed juices sold by vendors - not diy supplies? Anyway, I would like to know what is the best way to store pre-made juices long term and how long you could expect it to last. There are many differing opinions posted which contradict each other.
I may have misunderstood Pedrodus' post but I think he may have been asking about pre-mixed juices sold by vendors - not diy supplies? Anyway, I would like to know what is the best way to store pre-made juices long term and how long you could expect it to last. There are many differing opinions posted which contradict each other.
his was an excellent summary. It covers PG, VG and nicotine, 3 out of four components of vendor made juice. The fourth component is the flavoring, which is mostly PG. It would therefore seem likely to keep a long time in a freezer. It will probably keep in a refrigerator for two years and even longer in a freezer, in glass, with as little air in the container as possible. It will not freeze so no changes should occur for years.
I remember when the FDA was seizing shipments a few years back that individuals were still able to get small quantities from China, but big shippments to suppliers were being taken. Back then I'd get packages from China that were labeled as vitamines to throw off investigators. There were times back then when suppliers would be out of stock on a lot of things and I was stockpiling out of fear.
The problem with mixed liquids - nic base with flavorings added - is that they will all have a different storage profile. In a cool place some last a couple of months, some might last for years. It depends on how stable the flavorings or the end mix is. If you are talking about a very simple mix of one synthetic flavor plus a lot of PG then maybe it could last almost as long as unflavored base. If it is a complex organic affair with fruity notes in all-VG then it doesn't sound long-lasting. One DIY mix I make lasts for a maximum of one month even though in theory it doesn't have anything unstable in it, after that the flavor is dead and it's thrown away.
So trying to define what flavor-mixed liquids will keep in a freezer and how long is impossible. Only trial and error is of any value. It's the wrong approach for long-term supplies anyway, the safe method is to store unflavored base and separate flavors.
Also it is worth pointing out that this area of long-term back-ups, storage and even survival issues is best approached from a simple and basic perspective, which tends to be more successful than a luxury viewpoint. Luxury stuff is what you get when everything is hunky-dory at the best of times; to exist under less than ideal conditions you need to think simple, steady, safe and reliable.
So trying to define what flavor-mixed liquids will keep in a freezer and how long is impossible. Only trial and error is of any value. It's the wrong approach for long-term supplies anyway, the safe method is to store unflavored base and separate flavors.
Also it is worth pointing out that this area of long-term back-ups, storage and even survival issues is best approached from a simple and basic perspective, which tends to be more successful than a luxury viewpoint. Luxury stuff is what you get when everything is hunky-dory at the best of times; to exist under less than ideal conditions you need to think simple, steady, safe and reliable.
Honestly, I don't think that the FDA will be able to ban electronic cigarettes or even be allowed to regulate them to such a degree as many people fear. Does that mean they won't be able to for sure? Nope. But, I doubt it'll turn into that.
However, I am still trying to be as active as I can, even though I am a new vaper, by messaging the President, the Oregon governor, and even the FDA with my concerns. I have also signed around three petitions. Only one of which directly relates to the USA, the other two being geared towards Europe. I'm hoping that, if we all voice our opinions, we will be heard and e-cigs will either not be regulated to the point of being useless and hard to obtain or just won't be regulated at all.
And yes, if it does get as bad as many of us fear, I will be highly disappointed in those people who haven't even made an attempt to voice out against this. All it takes is just that one person who didn't voice his/her opinions and/or concerns to ruin it for us all. That one person could be the one that tips the scale in our favor. Don't be that would-be person by not standing up and making an attempt to be heard.
However, I am still trying to be as active as I can, even though I am a new vaper, by messaging the President, the Oregon governor, and even the FDA with my concerns. I have also signed around three petitions. Only one of which directly relates to the USA, the other two being geared towards Europe. I'm hoping that, if we all voice our opinions, we will be heard and e-cigs will either not be regulated to the point of being useless and hard to obtain or just won't be regulated at all.
And yes, if it does get as bad as many of us fear, I will be highly disappointed in those people who haven't even made an attempt to voice out against this. All it takes is just that one person who didn't voice his/her opinions and/or concerns to ruin it for us all. That one person could be the one that tips the scale in our favor. Don't be that would-be person by not standing up and making an attempt to be heard.
I've never done any diy but it sounds like it's time to learn. The little I have read about it sounds daunting to me so I always just bought pre-made. Though I see people say it really isn't all that complicated. So.....I'm off to learn about diy and buy some supplies.
Thanks so much for the response.
Just make sure you learn as much as you can. Before long, I'll be reading up on it myself.
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