The petition has 20,519 and 4,481 more are needed but it also seems to me that the White House "We The People" site is mainly there as a way to ease peoples minds a little...
If people (or 'sheeple' as I like to call most of them) see that there is a petition that "might" have some effect, people sign it with hope.
I too have this hope but I really have lost all faith in our government over anything anymore.
I have also seen numerous of those petitions get the very reaction vaprpunk1987 said... in fact, I got that kind of response to one petition that had well over the required signatures.
I am only guessing here but this sounds like logic --
The regulations may end up being the same as with regular cigarettes and maybe manufacturing quality control because as it is now, most of the mixes are done in not so healthy conditions... not that cigarettes are made in "healthy conditions" lol...
In fact, I received a bottle of e-liquid from one online dealer that the outside of the bottle was literally wet with the liquid that seeped from around the lid... and that is Not Good because of the toxicity of nicotine in large doses. Simply getting a large dose on your skin can have an effect in just a few seconds.
There are only basic warnings and ingredients lists on most of the labels... I have yet to see one with an accurate description of the ingredients or a warning "Do Not Ingest". And as for the hardware... most of the stuff I have seen yet has no instruction for use, care, cleaning, etc., on it or with it. Most usually comes in a plain type packaging or bubble wrap. The battery warnings and other information is usually printed by the seller on regular copy paper and a lot of the hardware is not even in an original box with any information.
I can go along with regulations that state the liquids (unless home made) should be made to certain specs - like what AEMSA has --- I like the standards they have outlined.
Specific labeling and warnings should be present because - as much as we would like to think it is not - nicotine is very dangerous in large amounts and anyone who handles mail can accidentally come into contact with it. Therefore, I also say that a certain type of packaging would also be a good idea --
Place Seals on bottles like they do cough syrups in the store and "Box" them in Sealed boxes. This prevents leakage AND tampering. Tampering is my biggest concern because of how some other countries see the USA... I would not want to get a bottle of liquid tainted with some bio or hazardous crap thats for sure.
Most common sense regulations are needed and I am hoping that banning is not in the future. I really can't see that because already, there are millions of these out there and thousands of sellers so if "Jobs" and "Business" is in the best interest of the people of the USA and other countries, I really can't see any logic in the president signing a total ban, but it is possible.
They never totally banned Cigarettes even when they found out how bad they are for you. They just made producers start getting licenses, growsers even fall under ATF regualtions... They didn't ban cigarettes but they made sure they were regulated for the best possible means they could, for whatever safety and age limits and taxation, etc.
They may make it mandatory that sellers hold a license to sell it like what Tobacco stores have because it is a Nicotine base made primarily from tobacco so that alone MAKES e-liquids a type of "tobacco product" or as most laws say - "derived from".
I am not backing them up, I am just stating what I know from common knowledge and you have to agree that some form of regulation for safety is required.
So far, I am very surprised that no one has had any misfortunes from a liquid or hardware that was tampered with, made wrong, or was even "0 Nic" when it was supposed to have nic in it.
Just as an FYI - and as always, I am NOT Recommending, I am merely stating a possibility --
Tractor Supply sells 100% U.S.P. Grade PG for about $25 a gallon
Walgreens and Walmart sell VG
Lorann, Watkins, and McCormick Flavorings at any major grocery store
The only thing I see that will be problamatic to get hold of is the Nicotine base liquids.
One other thing we have going for us is the fact that tobacco companies have gotten on board with e-cigs. It is likely they will be a help to vapers because of that alone. If the companies that make and sell Marlboro, Salem, Winston, Kool, etc. start sidelining e-cigs, you know the gov will not stop that.
As for those who are against e-cigs and using youtube to vilify them... instead of just watching. Post comments just like you would here. Rebuttle is the best weapon against those bogus videos and news reels. I have posted a great many and will continue to do so.
I agree with DC2 that I don't see vapers going down to "0" without going back to smoking or at least some form of nicotine replacement... after all, most who try and quit "Cold" are doing just that and it does not work well for most.
Here again, there are numerous "addictions" to smoking and using an e-cig is about the same. Drop from 24mg, 18mg, even 12mg to "0" and you will be all kind of crazy in a day or less. I know I would be.
I also have to agree with Petrodus about Lorillard expanding to meet the need... Oh and Blu being $200 - WOW and Double WOW! That is unreal... I can still get a Blu Premium Starter kit for about $90.
@ JENerationX -- Love the Rant
-- Excellent!
I too have seen this in a few areas and I for one will NOT just stand bye and think because I might have it made, that others don't diserve the same benefits. Even if the FDA has their way and something bad happens, I will STILL voice that E-Cigs are much better and safer and I will even have one more thing - telling people that the FDA only got their way because of Money and being on the apron-strings of the Gov. I will still promote E-Cigarettes and if it is necessary, we can still guide them to whatever is left out there after the dust settles.
Someone in the Nic Question thread said they use stuff from "Wizard Labs".
I had to look them up because I am going to start DIY soon.
Very interesting about "Wizard Labs"... it says it is an FDA registered facility.
If that is the case, how can the FDA regulate e-cigs the way they are trying to???
Very Interesting!
I am not real good with math though so if someone could tell me --
I want to make 70PG/30VG @ 24mg/ml
What would be the most cost effective way to buy the liquids I need and in what strengths?
I was thinking of getting 100% PG and 60mg Nic in VG but I am not real sure.
Thanks
UPDATE: I found the eJuiceMeUp calculator software and have figured that if I get like 500ml of 100mg Nic in 100% VG, a small (150ml or less) bottle of VG to level out, and a large (1000ml or more) bottle of PG and some flavors, I will be able to make a decent amount of 70/30 at a very reasonable cost with relatively little mixing amounts... the calculator says for 10ml of 24mg/ml:
2.4ml 100%VG 100mg Nic
6.4ml PG
0.6ml VG
0.3 x 2 flavor
This will make 10ml of one flavor of 24mg/ml so it is quite cost effective and relatively no separate VG is needed. Also if worst comes to worst, the Nic I get will already have the VG in it and I can buy PG at tractor supply and my flavors in the store
