Can we sue parents that can't control their kids? Just another crutch for parents who can't or won't pay attention to what their children are doing. Some how the rest of us need to pay for that.
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If a kid causes property damage you can sue the parents for what the kid did. If the kid is just causing trouble that does not result in direct injury to you or your property/ possessions you have no basis for holding the parents responsible. A kid drinking / vaping/ smoking by itself isn't a direct injury or some sorta damage to you.
Teens are going to try new things. There doesn't seem to be an epidemic with teens around ecigs, but it's getting them off cigarettes. Articles recently published tend to use combined smoking and vaping stats to indicate that tobacco product use among teems is rising, but if you drill down into the article, the truth is that they are smoking fewer cigarettes by switching to vaping.
They like to point to total tobacco product addiction as rising, but the truth is that teens are smoking fewer cigarettes thanks to teen vaping increases. We lost big time when the FDA declared ecigs to be tobacco products.
Skyrocketing e-cig use among teens erases recent progress in declining youth tobacco use - CNN
They like to point to total tobacco product addiction as rising, but the truth is that teens are smoking fewer cigarettes thanks to teen vaping increases. We lost big time when the FDA declared ecigs to be tobacco products.
Skyrocketing e-cig use among teens erases recent progress in declining youth tobacco use - CNN
Many of them never smoked, so they didn't "switch to vaping".
But my guess is most of the would have tried smoking if the alternative of vaping didn't exist.
True. The articles I've read don't really give you a good feel for teenagers common path to vaping. Some mention that vaping was the most common path to tobacco use in schools. I assume that some jumped into vaping without prior smoking and others switched from tobacco. I like to think that most teens know the dangers of smoking and chose vaping for that reason.
If they phrased it as "nicotine use" rather than "tobacco use", I'd say it's true.
I'll repeat this anecdote I've posted a number of times: My daughter is 21. She'll be starting her senior year at PSU, a very large college campus. She tells me vaping is pretty common, but virtually nobody smokes. (She does neither, but of course she's quite familiar with both, having grown up with a father who used to smoke and switched to vaping while she was still in high school).
While I'm sure they're aware of the danger, so were most of us before we started smoking, so I wonder how much effect that really has. I wonder if the fact that many young people simply consider smoking nasty and uncool due to the smell doesn't have an even bigger effect. Most of us grew up with people smoking everywhere and thus became desensitized to that smell. That's not the case for most young people today.
I recently purchased a fake JUUL pod to use only in stealth vaping circumstances. It was my first pod and first time using nic salts. I had to reteach myself how to MTL vape, and was not used to the higher nic salts that the pod uses. I can see why some teens would vape for a "nic high". Aside from the coughing, I got a nic buzz when using this device until I learned how to use it properly.
I think most states have laws against underaged vaping. In some states like Ohio, both the minor and the parent can be arrested, fined, with a possible jail sentence. If it bothers you so much, you could place a complaint against the parent with the police.
A fake Juul? You mean a counterfeit, or just something similar to Juul? I've never seen one (that I know of- I assume most of the ones you see in the big chain gas stations are probably genuine). Just curious why you'd buy that instead of a real one, if you knew it was fake?
I got a Juul a while back, mostly out of curiosity. Doesn't make me cough, though- in fact, it's hard to get a substantial hit out of one. I'm a tobacco mtl'er with a need for strong th, though. But they do seem to have the fastest nic salt juice I've ever tried. You really can feel it quickly after a couple of hits.
OK, I mispoke. It's a "JUUL-like" device. Purchased it in my local vape shop after describing to the saleslady what I was looking for. $40 for the device and two packs of pods.
As I said, I had to re-learn how to MTL again, no way I could DTL this device with the 50mg nic salts that's in the pods. Was looking for something extremely stealthy as I was going to attend a national AAU basketball tournament and wasn't sure if they had a dedicated area for smokers/vapers and didn't want to pay for re-admission if they didn't. Turns out that they put a colored bracelet on your wrist so that you can re-enter the building if you leave. So I left the building to vape. Different colored bracelet for different days.
Saw dozens of smokers but not a single other vaper.
Gotcha. Don't mean to derail, Bad- but wondering which device a seasoned-veteran-former-premier-vape-shop-employee like yourself chose?
I'm finding that the Vladdin is actually getting much more time this week than my RTA, now that I managed to mix a good juice for pods. First time that's happened with a pod.
The brand was "King" something or another. Looks like the blue pod below. It accepts JUUL compatible pods. I chose two different flavors. Watermelon is in there now. I don't recall the second flavor I chose.Gotcha. Don't mean to derail, Bad- but wondering which device a seasoned-veteran-former-premier-vape-shop-employee like yourself chose?
I normally research gear before I buy, but I went on my saleperson's recommendation because both she and her husband use this model.
Well, okay then. I didn't think of that. I can see why you referred to it as a fake Juul. Guess it kinda is, even though it's not really a counterfeit!The brand was "King" something or another. Looks like the blue pod below. It accepts JUUL compatible pods. I chose two different flavors. Watermelon is in there now. I don't recall the second flavor I chose.
I normally research gear before I buy, but I went on my saleperson's recommendation because both she and her husband use this model.
Oh, that one is coming from our puritanical (said with sarcasm) friends after the current epidemic (again with sarcasm) is squashed. Many lawsuits, several state and local bills that just haven't made it through yet, and an FDA investigation tell me so. Control over others seems to be the epidemic to me.
The only way to make "adult things" not craved by teenagers is to have no laws about them, really. That's what France and Italy do with wine. When we lived in France, we went wine tasting and we ALL got to taste the wine, in increasingly smaller amounts. It is totally normal for many French teens to have a small amount of wine with dinner. It's not exciting or threatening or "cool" or "Rah" it's just.... What people do.
The fact that I stared at those increasingly LARGE amounts of wine tasting glasses my parents had is slightly immaterial-- If anyone was BORN to be an alcoholic, it would be me.
But a lot of kids are like you know, tasting it. Just like their parents. MOST kids. There are addicts in France just like anywhere but a hell of a lot less teen binge drinking, college deaths, rapes, etc.
We just need to make vaping decriminalized. You don't buy your kid 15 Juuls but you let them puff on a small amount of one and like ,it's really no big deal.
I 100% stand by this. The way out is to OPEN the DAMN DOOR.
Anna
The fact that I stared at those increasingly LARGE amounts of wine tasting glasses my parents had is slightly immaterial-- If anyone was BORN to be an alcoholic, it would be me.
But a lot of kids are like you know, tasting it. Just like their parents. MOST kids. There are addicts in France just like anywhere but a hell of a lot less teen binge drinking, college deaths, rapes, etc.
We just need to make vaping decriminalized. You don't buy your kid 15 Juuls but you let them puff on a small amount of one and like ,it's really no big deal.
I 100% stand by this. The way out is to OPEN the DAMN DOOR.
Anna
I agree with most of what you say. But I grew up hearing that about European drinking, and minimal binge drinking/alcoholism compared to US, but that actually seems to be no longer true. I've been seeing articles about this for quite a few years, how it's become debunked- that Europeans with those laws actually now have worse drinking problems. But yeah, outlawing something absolutely does not decrease teen attraction.
But the map below could have been contrived by the same zealots that think the vaping epidemic could be cured by outlawing flavors.
(and who drinks pure alcohol, anyway??)
Sorry for the funny on your post @Brewdawg1181, but that's hilarious.
Because you're totally right, nobody drinks pure alcohol.
Because you're totally right, nobody drinks pure alcohol.
Saw an ad from an ambulance chasing law firm trying to scare up clients for the suit against Juul on TV the other night.
Silliest stuff I've ever heard, but juries aren't exactly famous for common sense.
Silliest stuff I've ever heard, but juries aren't exactly famous for common sense.
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