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Who will survive the FDA Regs?

Discussion in 'FDA Regulations' started by Will273, Aug 30, 2016.

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  1. englishmick

    englishmick Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2014
    Naptown, Indiana
    That's interesting. If it works I'm sure people will be doing it sometime soon, at least if nic becomes unavailable. Maybe it's not as hard as I thought it was.
     
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  2. englishmick

    englishmick Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2014
    Naptown, Indiana
    Do keep us updated on your progress.
     
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  3. PhiHalcyon2

    PhiHalcyon2 New Member

    May 20, 2016
    Most of the deeming regulation is invalid on statutory grounds (i.e., the authority that the FDA is asserting does not square with the text and logic of the TCA that it is being based on). But, yes, the TCA does have its ambiguous features, and cryptic ones too ... which is why so few truly understand it at this point. Nonetheless, once the cryptic features are well-understood, the ambiguous ones become functionally irrelevant.
     
  4. KODIAK (TM)

    KODIAK (TM) Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2014
    Dead Moose, AK
    Delete.
     
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  5. schismz

    schismz Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 2, 2010
    Seattle, WA
    Yo, my great dane is an emotional support animal, I needz him on the plane with me, it won't be a problem, he'll just sit on my lap. How dare you try to deprive me of my dog you murderers!

    Veering back on topic: you basically approve yourself to buy nicotine. [x] Yup, I'm an expert chemist and know what I'm doing and I can count and do math real good. K'tnx! The end, there's your 1000mg/ml nic.
     
  6. traten

    traten Full Member

    Sep 25, 2014
    SE PA USA
    Happy to do it, englishmick, especially since it's been an eye-opening surprise. The tobacco seeds are so tiny, the smallest I've ever tried to germinate. It took about a week for them to show, as little green specs. Then, at about a week after sprouting, SDC11037.JPG they took off! Here's a side-by-comparison. The small (2") container shows recent sprouts. The larger (4") pots are plants less than three weeks older. The variety is Virginia Gold:
     
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  7. englishmick

    englishmick Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2014
    Naptown, Indiana
    I haven't thought about this for a long time, but my grandfather used to grow his own tobacco to use in a pipe. I think back then you were allowed to grow 6 plants for personal use or something like that. He mixed rum in with the leaves and pressed it into blocks in a wooden press with a metal handle that he built himself.

    I don't remember the plants. I was only 8 when he died. But I remember the press and the blocks of tobacco stacked on a shelf to mature. He used to let me turn the handle on the press.
     
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  8. traten

    traten Full Member

    Sep 25, 2014
    SE PA USA
    20161113_080616.jpg The growth of tobacco plants is remarkable. I can see what made them a cash crop through most of our history. See earlier posts in this thread, the last only a month ago. They had been potted up to 8" containers and look to need upsizing again.
     
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  9. Endor

    Endor Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2012
    Southern California
    You're not kidding... wow, I had no idea they grew so fast. Thanks for the updates.
     
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  10. traten

    traten Full Member

    Sep 25, 2014
    SE PA USA
    This project is becoming obsession. Sorry about that. It's because growing the plant, to harvest the leaf, to extract the nicotine, to vape the resulting juice, puts us in the path of a living thing. We eat a steak and forget it was once a steer in Iowa.

    Earlier in this thread, we saw the seedling, the young plant, the rapid growth. Now here's the first flower bud, three months after sowing and growing indoors under lights.

    Is it a devil or an angel? Virginia Gold Bloom 1.4.2017 First One.jpg
     
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  11. Falco78

    Falco78 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 29, 2014
    United States
    It will be big tobacco vape products, they work hand in hand with the government and have the finances to make it happen. Unless something changes between the proposed changes take place it will mean the end of mom and pop shops

    sent from my Galaxy Note 4 using MOAR 2.1b ROM running tapatalk
     
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  12. traten

    traten Full Member

    Sep 25, 2014
    SE PA USA
    This is the flower of Nicotiana Rustica. It's the original, wild form of tobacco, considered too high in nicotine content for smoking, up to nine times that of cigarette tobacco. Smoking it would cause overdose and, in some users, a fairly dangerous result. It is used for making pesticides commercially. This makes it a good variety for nicotine extraction, I would think, and a source for an extract we could use in making our own juice. I could be wrong. If anyone knows why this is a bad idea, please sound off. This plant was grown here under lights as a trial before putting it in my garden this spring/summer. N. Rustica 2_10_2017.jpg
     
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  13. Painter_

    Painter_ Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 21, 2013
    In my happy place
    Provari did not survive :-x

    ProVape Closed

    ProVape is closed.
    Due to upcoming FDA regulations and restrictions, we have made the decision to cease production and close operations.

    We want to send out a HUGE Thank You to all of our customers, dealers and vendors around the world for your support and for sharing your stories and photos with us over the years.
     
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  14. 2coils

    2coils Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 29, 2012
    New Jersey
    My heart sank when I saw the news! Though I stopped using their products a while ago, I respected what they stood for. Sorry to see them go!
     
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  15. Falco78

    Falco78 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 29, 2014
    United States
    Yeah their quality is surely missed

    sent from my Galaxy Note 4 using MOAR 2.1b ROM running tapatalk
     
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  16. louis

    louis Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 18, 2010
    Mt Vernon,Texas
    The government is going to "save you from yourself". The socialists started this, maybe the conservatives will save us now.
    Don't think it will happen because once it is instituted it is had to get rid of. Just like laws being repealed.

    Louis
     
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  17. traten

    traten Full Member

    Sep 25, 2014
    SE PA USA
    This tobacco-to-nicotine-extract project enters the outdoor growth phase. (See previous posts and photos). It's reminding me of buying shrink-wrapped supermarket cuts of beef, forgetting that they were once a steer on the hoof. Here's the living animal!

    These are Virginia Brightleaf plants, started from seed, now in the first thrust of rapid growth after a cold and wet spell. Now it's warming up and the sun is working its magic.

    Brightleaf 3 05.28.2017-001.jpg
     
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  18. rob33

    rob33 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 20, 2009
    Concord, NC
    All the FDA is doing is causing American businesses to close. When vaping started we were buying everything abroad. I expect we will resume the overseas smuggling of vaping items when the FDA ruins everything. Thing that gets me is most of big tobacco's jobs are in other countries also. All you have to do is look in NC and VA farms where they used to grow tobacco now many are growing grapes or they are spouting sub divisions. I really thought ProVape would be a survivor but a this point I'm not looking for any American based business to make it.
     
  19. jcoopercam

    jcoopercam Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 29, 2009
    Orlando, FL
    What we know...

    The FDA's designation of mech/mod parts as "tobacco products" is strictly for the purpose of taxation. I suspect the tobacco industry is going to take over the liquid industry via FDA ban on the sale of nicotine base liquid to anyone who is not "licensed" to posses it. Vaping is a multi-billion dollar a year industry, and they have no intention of leaving it in the hands of "the people".

    My prediction...

    I don't believe we will be left with "cig-a-like" devices only. They know mods are hugely popular, so you can bet they will continue to be sold. There won't be anywhere near the selection, but mods will be made available. Mods only... Nothing non-regulated. I suspect they will choose three types, and that will be it. Cig-a-like, e-pipe, and mod.

    Anyone producing and selling nicotine e-liquids without a license will be deemed "bootleggers", and prosecuted accordingly. I also suspect that corporate e-liquids will (like cigarette tobacco) formulate their liquids with additional chemicals to increase addiction. Dr. Jeffery Wigand referred to this as "boosting". Since quitting smoking, I've never felt the urge to vape, regardless of the nicotine content. This has me convinced that big tobacco does in-fact engage in boosting, as Dr. Wigand stated in his 60 Minutes interview.

    As a smoker, I could barley get through a 2 hr movie without feeling the need for a smoke... Not an issue with vaping! I enjoy vaping, but I never feel like I need to do it.
     
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  20. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    This doping or what ever you call apparently doesn't work.
    It is an out right scam to associate nicotine with mainstream
    drugs legal or not. In the 50's and 60's when 44% of the adult
    population smoked they didn't need doping. It's 20% and less.
    Still dropping as we speak.

    If nicotine is so damn addicting the rate should be in the
    sixties.
    Regards
    Mike
     
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