Why are so many vapers against themselves?

[NiNi]

What happened to "common courtesy"???? I don't have to vape anywhere that smoking is disallowed. I ask before I attempt to vape. No smoking laws have been on the books for years, you altered your smoking habits to accommodate it. vaping doesn't give you a license to trample over other people's preferences, whether business or personal. Your house, your business, YOUR rules. Give others the same consideration.

And isn't a huge part of this "right" to keep nic juice unrestricted by the likes of BP and BT, thus BG? Do you want to pay $100 for a 15ml bottle of e-juice? If there's something "Deadly" about e-juice (nic, PG, VG, flavor), head on, restrict it, but until the powers that be can find honest conclusive evidence, STAY OUT OF MY BODY BAG!

 

[sawtoothscream]

Seriously? You are inhaling a something that contains nic, has a smell and lets out vapor that actually is more noticeable then smoke from a cig most times. Its still something going into your lungs and getting blown back out. People that dont vape or smoke most likely do not want to inhale smoke or vapor that was just in someone else's lungs, nor want to smell it.

Im all for people vaping, but dont be rude and dont complain when a business doesn't allow it. Its theirs place and they have the right to not allow it. If you do feel the need go to the bathroom or something

 

[LDS714]

Now THAT'S hilarious.

Sheltered life much?

Nope. Ex-military, toured with rock bands and laugh at stuff in Sons of Anarchy in ways that make people ask way too many questions.

Think about it.

What other group gets hated on so openly and vehemently? No one gets shunned or looked down on for hating smokers.

It's OK to hate smokers. Publicly. Loudly. Legislatively. They're the pressure valve for repressed hate.

Treat any other group in our society the same way. Report back what happens.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Think about it.

What other group gets hated on so openly and vehemently? No one gets shunned or looked down on for hating smokers.

Hmmm.

The overweight?

It's OK to hate smokers. Publicly. Loudly. Legislatively. They're the pressure valve for repressed hate.

Please feel free to substitute "the overweight" for all of the above...

Treat any other group in our society the same way. Report back what happens.

Oh it's been tried and is ongoing, per my example. And it's quite successful, even to the point of increased insurance rates.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Dang, if ovaries could swing, I think yours would.

(shaking hips) (shaking them harder) Hmmm, nope. No. No swinging at all, I'm afraid.

It just sounds like they are.

 

[LDS714]

Hmmm.

The overweight?

Luckily for all of us, that didn't take very long, did it...

Nope. Not even close.

Nice try, thanks for playing.

 

[NiNi]

Hmmm.

The overweight?

Luckily for all of us, that didn't take very long, did it...

The NRA.......

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Nope. Not even close.

Nice try, thanks for playing.

Are you joking?

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

The NRA.......

And that's two, next example?

 

[NiNi]

And that's two, next example?

...and what exactly are we "playing" for?

Please don't throw objects, I'm only the messenger!!!!!!

PETA

 

[danca90]

Don't cause a problem, there won't be a problem.

 

[NiNi]

Ok.....let 'er rip!

Democrats
Republicans
Tea Party
Liberals
Illegal Immigrants
Arizona (you know who you are, lol!)
Big Oil
The Middle East
France
Big Azzzzzz SUVs
North Korea

How many do we need?

 

[HauntedMyst]

So the other day, I get a call. Grandma is in the ICU. Congestive heart, lung and kidney failure. Even though I was dead in the middle of a horrible, gut wrenching flu filled with extraordinary vomiting and explosive ........, I decided to go visst grandma cuz that's the kind of stand up, thinking of other people guy I am. I saw the No Smoking signs and thought, "Cool, I can vape! It's not smoke, its steam!" I made my way through the hospital vaping away. I passed through the AIDS wing and sneezed as much as I could and wiped off my hands on the beds. Those people need some germs to help toughen up their immune system. I finally made it to the ICU. I walked in and Grandma was looking bad at 92, thin and pale. It was upsetting to see her like that so I blew some fat clouds to calm myself and to cheer her up! She started wheezing, hacking and coughing and said stop that smoking. I said, "Grandma, it's not smoke, its steam!" and kept right on puffing out sub ohm clouds of Pluid. Her room mate in the hospital start coughing and hollering, "No smoking" I stood up for myself and vapers everywhere, flung back the curtain and blew a cumulus cloud on her lunch that hung there like a fog on London and said "What, are you deaf? It's not smoke! I have rights too, I can vape here!" So she called the nurse just as she started flat lining. Apparently she is an asthmatic. I said "Don't you worry Grandma, I'm gonna live with my freedom and $#%#$% the other guy" It was kind of cool, when the nurse opened the door, it was like a rock concert mist opened up on her and she swatted her way through with the crash cart and said "Put that out, you can't smoke in here!" I said, "I'm not smoking, I'm steaming and its perfectly legal!" and let out a cloud that would make Mt. St. Helena look like a burp. It would have made vapers everywhere proud, well, that and standing up for our rights! The police showed up as I was vaping by the nurses station yelling "Attica! Attica! Attica! Attica!" I don't remember much after that. I woke up in the back of a police cruiser. I asked what the charges were. They said "unlawful endangerment, trespassing, manslaughter and for being an @sshole" I said "I didn't know being an @sshole was against the law." They said "Yeah, that one may not stick, but that's what your grandma called you right before her room mate died. If it were against the law, you'd get the chair." People just don't understand us revolutionaries.

 

[NiNi]

HauntedMyst, one like is not enough!!!!!

 

[Vwls]

Reading through many of the articles on this forum I notice that many vapers seem to take the attitude that other vapers should cower to the whims of the antz. They say don't smoke in restaurants, stores are not okay, and basically taking the attitude that if smoking is not allowed there, then they don't want to vape there. Isn't this the same thing as saying they are smoking? Are they ashamed they are vaping? To me they are giving up their freedoms in this country willingly. I'm not saying we should be disrespectful of others, but I just don't understand how they could lie down so willingly.

It's not at all a matter of cowering my friend. It's a matter of being Ambassadors of the Vape. This means being ultra polite and well-spoken about our wonderful habit. It means teaching people about vaping with charm and intelligence, not forcing it on them or alienating them.

We are vaping at a very important time in history. We are the first - the entrepreneurs, the introduce-rs. The way we comport ourselves is going to be the catalyst to how vaping is viewed across the nations. And as such, the way we comport ourselves can save lives.

So I beg you - take it seriously. It's not just about me and my right to inhale luscious vapor. It's about millions upon millions of people who are addicted to tobacco... and their families and loved ones too. So let's take it slow and do it right.

 

[LDS714]

Hmmm.

The overweight?



Please feel free to substitute "the overweight" for all of the above...



Oh it's been tried and is ongoing, per my example. And it's quite successful, even to the point of increased insurance rates.

And it all started with no smoking sections on airplanes.

 

[StarsAndBars]

So the other day, I get a call. Grandma is in the ICU. Congestive heart, lung and kidney failure. Even though I was dead in the middle of a horrible, gut wrenching flu filled with extraordinary vomiting and explosive ........, I decided to go visst grandma cuz that's the kind of stand up, thinking of other people guy I am. I saw the No Smoking signs and thought, "Cool, I can vape! It's not smoke, its steam!" I made my way through the hospital vaping away. I passed through the AIDS wing and sneezed as much as I could and wiped off my hands on the beds. Those people need some germs to help toughen up their immune system. I finally made it to the ICU. I walked in and Grandma was looking bad at 92, thin and pale. It was upsetting to see her like that so I blew some fat clouds to calm myself and to cheer her up! She started wheezing, hacking and coughing and said stop that smoking. I said, "Grandma, it's not smoke, its steam!" and kept right on puffing out sub ohm clouds of Pluid. Her room mate in the hospital start coughing and hollering, "No smoking" I stood up for myself and vapers everywhere, flung back the curtain and blew a cumulus cloud on her lunch that hung there like a fog on London and said "What, are you deaf? It's not smoke! I have rights too, I can vape here!" So she called the nurse just as she started flat lining. Apparently she is an asthmatic. I said "Don't you worry Grandma, I'm gonna live with my freedom and $#%#$% the other guy" It was kind of cool, when the nurse opened the door, it was like a rock concert mist opened up on her and she swatted her way through with the crash cart and said "Put that out, you can't smoke in here!" I said, "I'm not smoking, I'm steaming and its perfectly legal!" and let out a cloud that would make Mt. St. Helena look like a burp. It would have made vapers everywhere proud, well, that and standing up for our rights! The police showed up as I was vaping by the nurses station yelling "Attica! Attica! Attica! Attica!" I don't remember much after that. I woke up in the back of a police cruiser. I asked what the charges were. They said "unlawful endangerment, trespassing, manslaughter and for being an @sshole" I said "I didn't know being an @sshole was against the law." They said "Yeah, that one may not stick, but that's what your grandma called you right before her room mate died. If it were against the law, you'd get the chair." People just don't understand us revolutionaries.

Page Break dude.

 

[stevegmu]

Nobody ever like the analogy, but how would you feel if you're eating in a restaurant or shopping in store and someone walks by and just cuts loose with some mighty flatulence continually and repeatedly?

It's not illegal to fart right, so why should they be relegated to the bathroom?

If someone kept doing it over and over and people complained to the manager, the person could be asked to go to the restroom or leave.

 

[stevegmu]

Smokers are the only ones left for the populace to spend their saved up hate and prejudice on.

So the timid among us have learned to cower and feel unworthy.

Telling someone they can't vape because it looks like smoking is every bit as logical as telling someone they can't get on a plane because they look Arabic. It's profiling, plain and simple. And it's offensive.

It isn't because it looks like smoke, per se., but that businesses don't want to have to explain to everyone else that it isn't smoke.

My guess is you probably vote for the party that is behind nearly every anti-vaping piece of legislation.

 

[Jman8]

I've vaped in public places over the last couple years about 40 times. At least half the time, I ask for permission. The times I don't, and all other times that I have, I've not once got a rude look. I would say about 2/3rd of the time I'm in a public place I choose not to vape. I ask for permission out of respect and vape in public in a way that I feel is respectful.

Given many comments on this thread, I could see a day where FDA stuff is all settled, and I'm vaping in some public place that I'm allowed to and someone comes over to me to tell me they don't like me doing that. And I can see that person being a vaper or ex-vaper.

In a place where it is allowed, being told not to, by another patron, is disrespectful. On par with me telling them not to do whatever minor thing I choose to take offense to (i.e. I don't like the color of your shirt, it hurts my eyes, please leave).

Also given the comments on this thread and others where vapers are convinced certain public places should never ever allow vaping, I plan to take advantage of this golden era that we are currently in, the one where I can go to a place, ask permission to vape, and then vape without getting any rude looks.

More than ever, I can see a day coming where vapers will be looked down on, and shamed for even daring to pull their vape gear out in public, be it inside or outside. We truly are in a golden era and some vapers want us to respect the space of others and never ever vape in public. I truly find that ridiculous at this point in time. To think I, and others are the disrespectful ones, while I know just how respectful I am with public vaping and just how absolutely no one is yet to appear bothered by it in public is clear indication of what OP is getting at - that vapers themselves are setting forth unreasonable regulations with regards to vaping.