Why are so many vapers against themselves?

[Ryedan]

So the other day, I get a call. Grandma is in the ICU. Congestive heart, lung and kidney failure. Even though I was dead in the middle of a horrible, gut wrenching flu filled with extraordinary vomiting and explosive ........, I decided to go visst grandma cuz that's the kind of stand up, thinking of other people guy I am. I saw the No Smoking signs and thought, "Cool, I can vape! It's not smoke, its steam!" I made my way through the hospital vaping away. I passed through the AIDS wing and sneezed as much as I could and wiped off my hands on the beds. Those people need some germs to help toughen up their immune system. I finally made it to the ICU. I walked in and Grandma was looking bad at 92, thin and pale. It was upsetting to see her like that so I blew some fat clouds to calm myself and to cheer her up! She started wheezing, hacking and coughing and said stop that smoking. I said, "Grandma, it's not smoke, its steam!" and kept right on puffing out sub ohm clouds of Pluid. Her room mate in the hospital start coughing and hollering, "No smoking" I stood up for myself and vapers everywhere, flung back the curtain and blew a cumulus cloud on her lunch that hung there like a fog on London and said "What, are you deaf? It's not smoke! I have rights too, I can vape here!" So she called the nurse just as she started flat lining. Apparently she is an asthmatic. I said "Don't you worry Grandma, I'm gonna live with my freedom and $#%#$% the other guy" It was kind of cool, when the nurse opened the door, it was like a rock concert mist opened up on her and she swatted her way through with the crash cart and said "Put that out, you can't smoke in here!" I said, "I'm not smoking, I'm steaming and its perfectly legal!" and let out a cloud that would make Mt. St. Helena look like a burp. It would have made vapers everywhere proud, well, that and standing up for our rights! The police showed up as I was vaping by the nurses station yelling "Attica! Attica! Attica! Attica!" I don't remember much after that. I woke up in the back of a police cruiser. I asked what the charges were. They said "unlawful endangerment, trespassing, manslaughter and for being an @sshole" I said "I didn't know being an @sshole was against the law." They said "Yeah, that one may not stick, but that's what your grandma called you right before her room mate died. If it were against the law, you'd get the chair." People just don't understand us revolutionaries.

HauntedMyst, after reading this I know you are OK and I take back all the horrid thoughts I've had about you in the past

JK of course. Great post!

 

[Nermal]

People just don't understand us revolutionaries.

I sometimes smile; this time, I laughed.

 

[CommaHolly]

I don't think it's my right to blow vapor, no matter how harmless, around anybody in public. If my employe or hospitals or restaurants say no to vaping, then so be it.

I got myself into this nicotine addiction mess on my own. It's not anyone's responsibility to make it more convenient for me to get my fix.

this, this, this, this, THIS,,,,,,,,,,,

and I have never seen it so well said,,,,,,,

what right do I have to DEMAND that I be allowed my FIX regardless of someone else's feelings??

what would be NICE (IMHO) are vape areas,,,,,,,,,,NOT in the smoking sections,,,,,,,and maybe even some in restaurants. I'd spend my money at places that provided that.

 

[CommaHolly]

I don't think the bolded is necessarily true. I think it's more an issue of: vaping is new. We don't know all that much about it yet. Therefore, perhaps some of us don't know where we stand yet on certain specifics. And if we don't know, then surely non-vapers don't know either...so we're understanding, and non-intrusive, about that for the time being.

(The rest is not directed at the poster I quoted, but at the "Get off your azz and do something, even if you don't know what it is!" crowd.)

We should scream "fire" and react instead...because other people are doing it? That's the tactic here? Sorry, we're not in the second grade here. Some of us like to think for ourselves and "everybody's doing it and if you don't, we'll finger-point and call names" just doesn't have the intended impact.

Apologies, but I have no desire to be a sheep. I have the desire to learn and to come to my own conclusions...not be "shamed" or frightened ("ZOMG, the gubbmint is trying to take away ALL our rights! Next thing they'll be trying to take away OUR AIR! You must be a DEMOCRAT!") into adopting other people's (often premature) conclusions...or fight the big fight when I don't even properly know yet what that means (do any of us?).

I think it's a lot brighter to really study and debate these issues to come to some real conclusions, then act calmly, reasonably and intelligently, than to freak out and scream "I have my rights!" when we don't even actually know what that means yet, and prove our big-ol'-badness by blowing clouds of vapor at old men at Denny's. ("And that's because I CAN, Grandpa! What are you gonna do about it, shake that walker at me?")

Being reactive doesn't mean "doing something." It means, "Somebody yelled fire, I'd better start yelling it too!"

We need more time, more education (including self-education, although some of us believe we know it all already about an only years-old practice), more discussion and more really thought-out conclusions...and yes, more discussion amongst ourselves. Because we don't know it all yet. Period. We only know that we want what we want.

And as with everything in life, there's a bit more to it than "I want what I want."

Sue me for thinking, reasoning and considering before jumping on the torch and pitchfork brigade because darn it, I want to smoke during my next gynecological exam.

dayum,,,,,,,,,,that was good.

 

[CommaHolly]

I fear that if the US vapers don't unite, in just as powerful of a protest, then all we are doing is for naught. Simply waiting, and asking politely for permission will get us absolutely nothing. If we can't, as one loud voice, assert ourselves, then it will all be taken away from us one restaurant, one bar, one public place at a time. All we will be left with is the right to sneak inside our own homes or private places, assemble our contraband, fill it with god knows what, and gloat in how we have won a personal battle.

Unite over WHAT??

we don't even know what the FDA is PLANNING yet,,,,,,,we can't UNITE until we know exactly WHAT they plan to do.

 

[danca90]

I work in a place that does not allow vaping. If you come in and vape, I will kindly ask you not to do it in here. If you continue, I will kindly ask you to leave. If you refuse, you are officially trespassing, and the police will be called. Now, as a person vested in changing that no vaping rule, how good would it look if the police had to get involved? It simply looks bad on the whole community.

Let me know if you need anymore help on how business works, and the intricacies of refusing service.

 

[danca90]

Unite over WHAT??

we don't even know what the FDA is PLANNING yet,,,,,,,we can't UNITE until we know exactly WHAT they plan to do.

We don't need them meddling! (kidding) Really though, it would look pretty bad to make a big fuss, only to find that they make it an age restricted food group. Much like the super energy pills and shots in the plastic case at gas stations.

 

[CommaHolly]

Personally, I just don't vape where I couldn't smoke unless otherwise told that I am welcome (standing outside an establishment, someone says "hey you can use that in here!" Etc.) or given expressed permission after asking.
My sense of entitlement ends there.

....and I feel like I'm a proud vaper. Have I been wrong all this time?

No,,,,,,you're fine

 

[CommaHolly]

What part of PRIVATE PROPERTY laws do you not understand?

(Do they not teach this concept in school anymore or what? )

I vape all over the place. I have done this for 18 months.

But if I am on private property, and somebody tells me I can't vape, I don't.

WHY is it so important to know people's reasons???

I have signs on my property that say no hunting. I am not against hunting at all.
I just do not want it taking place on MY property. Is that okay? It upsets my dogs, I dislike having strangers tromping around, and I dislike having the sound of gunshots disturb my quiet sunday mornings.

And besides, I own it, and I tell them to clear off---- they don't NEED to have my reasons, bedcause they are trespassing.

I guess I need to go UNITE for the right to hunt anything I want to on your property,,,,,,,,,

 

[CommaHolly]

This is why we have voting laws, fair housing laws, etc.

Some of you should feel rather sheepish for comparing yourselves to some of the truly deplorable inequalities that have transpired in not only US history but all over the world....some are still on going.

Maybe some have lost touch with what "true suffering" is under those kinds of circumstances.

Amen, and thank you for stating this.

 

[Vwls]

I vape at the Victoria's Secret like a boss vato.

LOL every time. You get me every time.

 

[Racehorse]

My guess is you probably vote for the party that is behind nearly every anti-vaping piece of legislation.

I think it is naive to believe that any one party is behind anti vaping legislation, since if you look at who was signing all the big anti smoking stuff as well you'd see this all spans 30 years in the making, and longer when we are talking about how govt and big corporate BT and BP have been moving closer to each other in bed.

Then, there is always a time in history when it "all comes together" and whatever party is in charge gets blamed, but it's silly as blaming certain presidents for wars......when the confluence of events caused problems to "break out" while they were in office.

If one party is in bed with Antz, before that you have another one in bed with some other big influence like Big Oil, or Big Banking, that we all know and dislike.

The truth is, it doesn't matter anymore. All that happens now is shaped slowly by events and decisons made decades ago.

 

[WellAdjustedAndroid]

I've been smoking for 15 years in New York City - maybe the least smoker friendly place on the planet. And honestly, I didn't think the cigarette smoking ban was all that obtrusive. I never went into total withdrawl from not getting enough nicotine. I never felt "oppressed" as a smoker. People don't like smoke so I go outside. No big deal. And in NYC, people REALLY do not like smoking.

Now that I vape exclusively - I continue to go outdoors with the smokers. I mean...I'm inhaling something and blowing out smoke. That I would go outside with the smokers seems totally self apparent to me. I am mid 30s and don't really remember the days when you could smoke indoors and quite honestly, even if I did - I think that ship has LONG since sailed. And like your Levis made in the USA..it ain't coming back.

Its kind of cool that I can generally get away with a quick pull in the bathroom, but I don't see it as a right or even a privilege. Its something I do because I don't think I'll get caught. Hey a vape bar or a vape shop, well yeah, don't walk in there if you don't like smoke. I'll vape in those places no problem - but that's about it.

 

[Racehorse]

I've never thought of vaping as an act of protest.

Its sort of like the internet--- typingisnotactivism.

 

[Racehorse]

I don't think the bolded is necessarily true. I think it's more an issue of: vaping is new. We don't know all that much about it yet. Therefore, perhaps some of us don't know where we stand yet on certain specifics. And if we don't know, then surely non-vapers don't know either...so we're understanding, and non-intrusive, about that for the time being.

(The rest is not directed at the poster I quoted, but at the "Get off your azz and do something, even if you don't know what it is!" crowd.)

We should scream "fire" and react instead...because other people are doing it? That's the tactic here? Sorry, we're not in the second grade here. Some of us like to think for ourselves and "everybody's doing it and if you don't, we'll finger-point and call names" just doesn't have the intended impact.

Apologies, but I have no desire to be a sheep. I have the desire to learn and to come to my own conclusions...not be "shamed" or frightened ("ZOMG, the gubbmint is trying to take away ALL our rights! Next thing they'll be trying to take away OUR AIR! You must be a DEMOCRAT!") into adopting other people's (often premature) conclusions...or fight the big fight when I don't even properly know yet what that means (do any of us?).

I think it's a lot brighter to really study and debate these issues to come to some real conclusions, then act calmly, reasonably and intelligently, than to freak out and scream "I have my rights!" when we don't even actually know what that means yet, and prove our big-ol'-badness by blowing clouds of vapor at old men at Denny's. ("And that's because I CAN, Grandpa! What are you gonna do about it, shake that walker at me?")

Being reactive doesn't mean "doing something." It means, "Somebody yelled fire, I'd better start yelling it too!"

We need more time, more education (including self-education, although some of us believe we know it all already about an only years-old practice), more discussion and more really thought-out conclusions...and yes, more discussion amongst ourselves. Because we don't know it all yet. Period. We only know that we want what we want.

And as with everything in life, there's a bit more to it than "I want what I want."

Sue me for thinking, reasoning and considering before jumping on the torch and pitchfork brigade because darn it, I want to smoke during my next gynecological exam.

^^^ outstanding post IMHO

esp. the last paragraph

 

[EvilZoe]

I vape everywhere I go. I just don't blow it out when I'm in stores, restaurants, or other businesses. I hold it in until the vapor is gone but I don't hide the whole vaping action. I wear my PV right around my neck.

Why would anyone say anything? I don't even need to go in a bathroom and I'm still getting all my nicotine.

 

[Smokke]

Not blowing vapor on others and only vaping where it does not interfere someone elses space is a matter or common courtesy whether its a stranger, friend, family member or significant other. It does not matter if its cigarette smoke or nicotine vapor.. or any other kind of smoke or vapor.

well,,,,

some people feel they SHOULD have the "right" to vape in many places like hospitals, etc,,,,,,,,

and some people feel like we MIGHT lose our right to vape in our own homes and cars,,,,,,,,,

hence the fighting.

 

[spegtoast]

When I can visually see myself breathing in what was once inside of someone elses body I get a little grossed out.

 

[EvilZoe]

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Stay classy.

 

[Ranic85]

I thought it was "stay thirsty my friends"