Why are so many vapers against themselves?

[WattWick]

Reading through many of the articles on this forum I notice that many vapers seem to take the attitude that other vapers should cower to the whims of the antz. They say don't smoke in restaurants, stores are not okay, and basically taking the attitude that if smoking is not allowed there, then they don't want to vape there. Isn't this the same thing as saying they are smoking? Are they ashamed they are vaping? To me they are giving up their freedoms in this country willingly. I'm not saying we should be disrespectful of others, but I just don't understand how they could lie down so willingly.

Not a great foundation for a nice little discussion.

Ever shared an office with anyone? I did. Some days the others was perfectly fine with me vaping, even sometimes encouraging me to "freshen the air". Other days I vaped stuff they thought smelled aweful. So... what do I do? I decide only to vape the stuff that wouldn't bother my colleagues. And, I would get my nic fix. I wouldn't sit there vaping like I do at home.

I am not against vaping or myself. I do appreciate the chance to eat a meal at a restaurant without having to cope with some "I do as I please" douche believing he's/she's a contender for the cloud creation olympics while vaping some foul smelling stuff. Just because "it's not smoking, and I do what I want."

I do also appreciate the chance to do my grocery shopping without having every current-smoker-vaper-to-be walking around blowing clouds of whatever smelly substance they find to their liking. We are few now, but our numbers grow every day. The stuff you see on the shelves. Some of it is my dinner. One of those breads will be my breakfast. I prefer my breads to taste like bread, and my apples not slimy with other peoples vapor. A couple of vapors, probably no big deal. A thousand vapors passing through every day? Where do we draw the line?

It's a conflict of "freedoms and rights". How come some people seem to think that only their own freedoms and rights matter. We compromise. It's called civilization.

Fortunately, vaping can be many things. It can be plumes of foul smelling vapor. Or, it can be getting a quick nic fix. Or anything in between. Be considerate. Have your nic fix. I don't mind. Most people won't even notice. But don't expect anyone to respect vaping in any form, anywhere, at all times.

 

[Ranic85]

I blow clouds in every grocery store I go into! I learned long ago, that people are sheep, I do as I please! before you say, "you are the one getting vaping banned cause you vape in stores and its not allowed cause smoking isn't allowed in a store!" Well if im not allowed to do it anyway then what does it matter if I vape inside or not? Vaping was going to be banned anyway regardless if I vaped their or not!

 

[WattWick]

The most "sheepish" people I know are those who stoop to douchy self-obsessiveness and believe their contrarianism is a sign of intellectual superiority.

 

[Ranic85]

I am superior!

 

[tj99959]

some of us feel it's rude to ASSUME we have the right to vape on private property of others.

There, fixed that for ya Holly.

It all boils down to RESPECT. Trust me, I have no intention of passing gas as I walk past your table in a restaurant, but I might if you vape while I'm eating dinner with my family. I also train my dogs not to bark at night, but I will let them bark if you try to dispose of your trash on my property.

 

[RaceGun59]

Getting addicted to nicotine was choice. Smoking was a choice. Vaping is a choice. What we as vapers should be fighting for is the RIGHT of a business owner to make the choice of whether vaping is allowed in their business. We as vapers then have the choice to spend our money there based on their rules. What we should be fighting for is the RIGHT of each City,County, or State to decide, based upon what we the voter wants, to decide where vaping is or isn't allowed. If your city ,county, or state government bans vaping , we as vapor will then have the RIGHT to elect someone that will change that. Just my 3753 cents worth. (The most interesting man in the world stole my line)

 

[grayscale]

some of us feel it's rude to ASSUME we have the right to vape on private property of others.

The magic word that makes everyone look stupid. Assumptions cause more problems than anything else. +1

 

[LDS714]

It isn't because it looks like smoke, per se., but that businesses don't want to have to explain to everyone else that it isn't smoke.

My guess is you probably vote for the party that is behind nearly every anti-vaping piece of legislation.

Not so much. I vote for the candidate who matches my interests and that I believe will represent them, irrespective of which "team's" jersey the profess to wear. I'm friends with a former governor who wears a D as well as a city councilman who wears an R. I vote for the person, not the party.

 

[LDS714]

Getting addicted to nicotine was choice. Smoking was a choice. Vaping is a choice. What we as vapers should be fighting for is the RIGHT of a business owner to make the choice of whether vaping is allowed in their business. We as vapers then have the choice to spend our money there based on their rules. What we should be fighting for is the RIGHT of each City,County, or State to decide, based upon what we the voter wants, to decide where vaping is or isn't allowed. If your city ,county, or state government bans vaping , we as vapor will then have the RIGHT to elect someone that will change that. Just my 3753 cents worth. (The most interesting man in the world stole my line)

THIS!!!

I find it odd that few bars become no smoking prior to it becoming the law. If there were that great of a demand for it, someone, somewhere would have met that demand and profited from it.

But no, they had to remove that choice from the business owners. For the greater good. For the children...

Why didn't establishments do it voluntarily?

 

[madqatter]

What we as vapers should be fighting for is the RIGHT of a business owner to make the choice of whether vaping is allowed in their business. We as vapers then have the choice to spend our money there based on their rules. What we should be fighting for is the RIGHT of each City,County, or State to decide, based upon what we the voter wants, to decide where vaping is or isn't allowed. If your city ,county, or state government bans vaping , we as vapor will then have the RIGHT to elect someone that will change that.

All of this. Again and again.

 

[wv2win]

There is something we need to wait for. Studies. More than we currently have (which is few). We can then promote them and get real information (not Bastille-storming) out there.

We can't go storming on Washington saying "I feel like it!" and have them keep saying "There aren't enough studies saying vaping is safe." That will just go 'round in circles...and WILL result in worse banning than we're even envisioning now.

There have been more than enough studies that show that vaping is harmless to those in the general vicinity of a vaper. Waiting for the mythical "perfect" study is counter productive:

E-Cigarette Studies & Research | Cig Buyer.com

 

[wv2win]

I think it is naive to believe that any one party is behind anti vaping legislation, since if you look at who was signing all the big anti smoking stuff as well you'd see this all spans 30 years in the making, and longer when we are talking about how govt and big corporate BT and BP have been moving closer to each other in bed.

Then, there is always a time in history when it "all comes together" and whatever party is in charge gets blamed, but it's silly as blaming certain presidents for wars......when the confluence of events caused problems to "break out" while they were in office.

If one party is in bed with Antz, before that you have another one in bed with some other big influence like Big Oil, or Big Banking, that we all know and dislike.

The truth is, it doesn't matter anymore. All that happens now is shaped slowly by events and decisons made decades ago.

I think it is naive to not do the research that documents who has called for vaping to be banned and/or severely restricted, before making this statement. Members of only one party on the federal level and only one administration has tried to eliminate vaping. I wish that wasn't the case, but that is the way it is:

3 Democrat Senators urge FDA to "swiftly" propose regulation to apply Chapter IX of FSPTCA to e-cigarettes and other products..........

And then there is this monstrosity...
https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/s1403

Co-Sponsors
Sen. Richard Durbin [D, IL]
Sen. Tim Johnson [D, SD]
Sen. Frank Lautenberg [D, NJ]
Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT]
Sen. Barbara Mikulski [D, MD]
Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA]
Sen. John Reed [D, RI]
Sen. John Rockefeller [D, WV]
Sen. Amy Klobuchar [D, MN]
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse [D, RI]
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen [D, NH]
Sen. Mark Begich [D, AK]
Sen. Michael Bennet [D, CO]
Sen. Al Franken [D, MN]
Sen. Richard Blumenthal [D, CT]

Nearly all of the legislation regarding "regulating" or "banning" electronic cigarettes has been initiated by Democrats.
I don't want to turn any of this into a partisan issue, but it already is.

 

[NicoHolic]

I've been addicted to nicotine for nearly 50 years and I'm now a vaper. I'm not against myself, but I am for non-smokers, including the asthmatic and those with other COPD, to be free of smoke and vapor.

It's great to see so many here not vaping in no-smoking areas. We got by without smoking there and can get by without vaping there. We realize our addiction and smoking substitution is our problem, not that of others.

I also recognize as vaping grows in popularity, state and local legislation and regulation of smoking will sooner or later be extended to vaping because of those not so considerate of others. You can contribute to it happening sooner or you can avoid making it an issue for as long as possible. Your call. The end result will be the same.

Special Treatment for Vapers

nice dream, but it ain't gonna happen​

 

[retired1]

Generally, most of you have done a stellar job of staying within the rules. Let's keep it that way please.

 

[Jman8]

The only reasonable reason I can think of why vaping would be disallowed in public is because secondhand vaping could linger and what is in that vapor would be deemed, at least a little bit harmful. Hence, those of us who are currently under the impression that secondhand vape is harmless are lying or don't know better. I believe it is closer to 'don't know better' though given the propaganda battle going on, I don't think lying is off the table.

I think all it would take right now is for an ANTZ study to come out that shows secondhand vaping is indeed harmful. A study akin to 'eCigs will blow up in your face' to scare those not in the know, or those who care very little about vapers. Could be a massively misguided study with obvious bias to any vaper, but would be effective enough to have most private and public owners of buildings shut vapers out for good and not look back.

The idea that lingering vape is a nuisance, but not harmful, is very challenging for me to get behind. I believe I could come up with about 30 things that people do in public everyday that a) lingers and b) could be seen as a nuisance. And if vaping in public wins solely on the nuisance claims, then it is plausible, I think, that some of those other nuisances could be banned. I.E. - sneeze in a public place, just once, without covering your mouth and you will be asked to leave. Doesn't matter if you've been there before, are otherwise considered a good citizen, or have paid to be there - you engaged in an act that lingers and is deemed a nuisance to others. Kindly leave or we will have the cops shows you the door.

Sneezing in public is just one of 30 items I could come up with. Farting was another already mentioned in this thread. If there is a faction of society that can see 'good reason' for not vaping in particular places, I do hope those same people realize that others can quite possibly find behaviors that may at first glance seem like it is of no one else's concern and/or is trivial, but in a future reality is deemed grounds for not being allowed in certain public spaces. Perhaps one day, it'll be you can't even breath in public spaces unless you wear a mouth filter. I mean how do I know what is in your breath is safe for me? Either filter that or do not go into public, just out of respect for others there. Without the mouth filter, even in today's world, you are being extremely rude and uncivil. Well, at least according to some in this thread.

 

[CommaHolly]

sneezing and farting are (unfortunately) bodily functions that we really can't control,,,,,,,,,

vaping isn't a bodily function, you CAN control it, and you DO it because you are addicted to something that YOU CHOSE to become addicted to.

I really don't see how they are even CLOSELY comparative.

 

[wheezal]

my farts dont stink...so thankfully i have no idea what your talking about.

 

[DC2]

What we as vapers should be fighting for is the RIGHT of a business owner to make the choice of whether vaping is allowed in their business. We as vapers then have the choice to spend our money there based on their rules. What we should be fighting for is the RIGHT of each City,County, or State to decide, based upon what we the voter wants, to decide where vaping is or isn't allowed. If your city ,county, or state government bans vaping , we as vapor will then have the RIGHT to elect someone that will change that.

The most important thing to fight for is to prevent vaping from being treated like smoking.
That one thing encompasses all the things you mention, and so much more.

Vaping is not smoking, and simply lumping vaping in with smoking restrictions is not right and it is not fair.

If you think it's fair, just wait until you get a ticket for vaping at the beach, or in a public park.
If you think it's fair, just wait until you have to exit the entire stadium to have a quick vape break during a football game.
If you think it's fair, just wait until you aren't allowed to vape in your own car in a parking lot.

If you think it's fair, just wait until they won't hire you because you have nicotine in your system.

 

[dice57]

Reading through many of the articles on this forum I notice that many vapers seem to take the attitude that other vapers should cower to the whims of the antz. They say don't smoke in restaurants, stores are not okay, and basically taking the attitude that if smoking is not allowed there, then they don't want to vape there. Isn't this the same thing as saying they are smoking? Are they ashamed they are vaping? To me they are giving up their freedoms in this country willingly. I'm not saying we should be disrespectful of others, but I just don't understand how they could lie down so willingly.

I totally agree. I am not a smoker, I vape where I please. It often gives the perfect opportunity to explain and educate the dumb and ignorant. And find that many, non-smokers & smokers, are truly interested in what I am doing.

I feel that as ex-smokers we have been programed that when we inhale something and blow out a cloud, that we are doing something bad and harmful to others.

We are doing nothing to harm others. We are not smokers. And if the vaper populace, as a whole, acts like we are doing something wrong, this attitude will be reflected to others. That has got to stop!!!!

When in someone's home I will ask if I can take a vape, response has always been sure. When chatting with my big sis, at her store, I explained what I was doing. My excitement about vapping got her excited about the possibility for other smokers to quit too, like her son and her employee's son. I took a vape, she was enthralled by the smell! "That doesn't smell like tobacco, that smells good!!" she exclaims. After our chat she had me show the Provari to her employee, she says "let him smell it, it smells wonderfull!!" So I took a big vape and blew it in his face, he inhales it, waving the vapor into his face so that he could get a good wiff. Yeah, smells delightful! was lmao at this point. It was my Captain Black Cinnamon Danish blend. And when ever I vape in non-smoking territory, people always comment on the wonderful aroma of my ADV.

We wouldn't go up to someone who was taking a hit of an inhaler for asthma, would we? It's no different than when I take a vape, I'm taking it for my health.
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[Cameljunkie]

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