Why do I want/need temperature control?

[roxynoodle]

Exactly! TC is nothing like vaping with kanthal.

A 0.1 ohm build isn't going to be vaping at 176W like it would on a mech. You can set that at 10W on a tc mod.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Ohh I fully understand how TC works, when it does. But just have no need for it at this time. I even understand the actual technical electronics involved and how the programming must work. Just have no need for it or desire to spend the money for it and mess with hard to work with TC coils. I rebuild all my coils no blister packs for me.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I don't understand the question. I want to vape at 10W, I don't need to vape at 10W. Actually I think I may not need to vape at all at this point, but I do it because I still want to.

Why does one who vapes at 10 watts need temperature control? You have to mess up pretty bad to get a burned hit vaping at 10 watts.

 

[itskohler]

I build my own coils as well, and it's not hard at all. There is a learning curve, ya, but that curve existed with Kanthal when you first started building. But if you say you don't need it, you don't need it. Not trying to discredit you by any means.

 

[Dampmaskin]

Why does one who vapes at 10 watts need temperature control? You have to mess up pretty bad to get a burned hit vaping at 10 watts.

I don't need it, I just like it. As I said earlier, I went from using TC for months, to using Kanthal for months, and back to using TC. Both work fine. But a few of the reasons why I use TC right now, are that the boost gives me a fast ramp-up, the wick lasts longer for some reason (I'm lazy at changing it), and when it's set up right it is an overall more consistent vape.

 

[edyle]

I'd like to see it usable for a newcomer. Pop on any topper and not get any dry or burnt hits would be awesome. Having those expensive coils last longer along with wicks and juice would be awesomer.

That's where the big application is.
It will greatly benefit new users and help convert away from cigs to vape.

The big problem right now has been the low ohm implementation with nickel.

 

[roxynoodle]

Why does one who vapes at 10 watts need temperature control? You have to mess up pretty bad to get a burned hit vaping at 10 watts.

Honestly, its not the burnt hits for most of us. If that was the primary use, I never would've tried it, or stuck with it. Its the consistancy of the vape. And being able to chain vape even low airflow M2L attys without them heating up. I need to switch my Prometey to tc. All metal tank and summer and geez can I heat that tank up quickly!

 

[Dampmaskin]

The big problem right now has been the low ohm implementation with nickel.

The low ohms is not a problem in itself, as long as the regulator can handle it. (And if the regulator is made for TC, it should be able to handle it.) The main problem with nickel IMO, is that it is soft, which makes building coils and changing wicks more challenging than it could be. But there is titanium wire, and several vendors are releasing NiFe wire these days, which I expect to be much more rigid.

 

[edyle]

I haven't tried TC yet because I'm waiting for the new & improved version. Now, I don't have a problem with dry hits...I vape mostly high PG in a Lemo Drop that's very forgiving when it comes to wicking. I think the real point of TC (for me anyways) is the avoidance of over-cooking your juice so it doesn't form nasty chemicals (formaldehyde, etc.). Although, I suppose for dripping the no-dry-hits thing could come in handy.

One thing I'm confused about, however; from demos I have seen, it appears that TC works by cutting back your wattage when necessary. If that's the case, then why not just vape at a lower wattage? What am I missing?

the job of tc is to cut back the wattage BEFORE things get too hot.
you can cut back the wattage yourself, but if it takes 20 seconds to warm up that's impractical.

 

[tj99959]

I've been vaping with TC at 10W. The ohms are necessarily lower because the metal in the coil is different, with a lower resistivity, but the mod compensates for that by decreasing the voltage. The resistance can't be tasted anyway, it's just a number.

But the stress on the battery is the same.

 

[Dampmaskin]

But the stress on the battery is the same.

To clarify: The stress on the battery is the same at 10W with a 0.15 Ohm Nickel coil, as it is at 10W with a 1.5 Ohm Kanthal coil. (Disregarding boost features and temp throttling.)

 

[itskohler]

But the stress on the battery is the same.

How do you figure? I have a .06ohm Ni200 coil setup right now, my battery should have exploded by now if that were true.

 

[edyle]

If someone knows how to vape, why is it needed? None of the TC crowd seems to be able to answer this. I know they feel they are doing advanced vaping, but it seems like controlling the power and wicking achieves the same result, but is easier and provides for a better vape, as different e-liquids require different power levels to achieve an ideal taste...

You answered your own question.
It is needed by those who don't know how to vape.

 

[tj99959]

the job of tc is to cut back the wattage BEFORE things get too hot.
you can cut back the wattage yourself, but if it takes 20 seconds to warm up that's impractical.

Ever think of changing wire gauge?

 

[zoiDman]

You answered your own question.
It is needed by those who don't know how to vape.

Something tells me that you will get Replies to this.

 

[itskohler]

I'm trying to restrain my comments...

 

[tj99959]

Something tells me that you will get Relies to this.

It is needed by those who don't know how to vape think.

There, fixed that for ya.

 

[Alien Traveler]

That's the beauty of it all, wattage just gets you to your temp, then throttles back when you hit your limit.

Ah, but you really don't need super high power. 15W could get you there. The power only determines how quickly you get to temp. You could set the mod to 50W, but it would only use that for a very short burst then throttle back down to what's needed to maintain the set temp. So you really aren't vaping at 50W despite you're setting the mod there. I've found the temp setting is really what you're controlling, not the power. The power is irrelevant except for a very short time after waking your mod from sleep mode.

Its almost amusing to me they are bringing out how power tc mods because you really aren't using that power. A fraction of a second maybe.

Hes thinking in old terms and applying it to new tech.

Like remembering HS typing class and wondering why keyboards have a Windows key.

I just set a nickel RDA to 10w and 212 degrees. Anyone who can't handle that fearful blast is in the wrong addiction/hobby/sport.

It's interesting how "TC people" are forgetting that W is not only some setting on TC mode, but one of the main parameters determining how much juice we can evaporate per second. When I say I do not want to go above 12W it means I do not want to increase my juice consumption, do not want go above real 12 W.
Yes, I understand that it is possible to use TC mode and vape at low power, but my concern is it will be as with subtank - yes, you can use subtank at 12 W, by taifun is better.
I'll wait for Ti or SS or whatever for now.

 

[itskohler]

Ti devices are already out...

 

[coolerat]

Something tells me that you will get Replies to this.

I doubt it, anybody can spot that as troll from a mile away. Something much more subtle would have caught more.

I'd actually like to see P-Thingie Corp come out with TC. That would start some EPIC threads.