Why do some people continue to buy premade coils and juice?
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Because Time = Money?
I DIY juice, but continue to use Aspire and Halo stuff and thus the coils. IDK how long it takes to rebuild a coil, but I make alot more in overtime for 15 minutes at work than it costs me for a 5 pack of coils that last me well over a month.
I DIY juice, but continue to use Aspire and Halo stuff and thus the coils. IDK how long it takes to rebuild a coil, but I make alot more in overtime for 15 minutes at work than it costs me for a 5 pack of coils that last me well over a month.
I have no problem with anyone else's choices. Just answering the Ops question.
Why would you assume that you know what is best for me?
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For me it's just convenience. My job keeps me traveling constantly. I am a big fan of my kayfuns but carrying wire, cotton and misc building supplies got to be a hassle. It is easier to swap out a pre made head and only have to carry a few extras. I realize I'm losing some quality of what I can build and still do when I actually get some downtime (fairly rare these days). It doesn't cost much more when I find sales. I haven't tried diy for juice but again, it's a time issue. There is a shop I go to that is $9 for 30ml of really good juice and less when they have sales. I may or may not be saving $$ from when I was buying 12-15 packs a week in the short term but I'm not smoking and doing that damage to my body. I am however saving a metric s**t ton of money long term for me and my family by not doing something that will end me up with the cancers and diseases proven to be caused by burning tobacco
Read my statement again and try to comprehend it
Your assumption is your own and is NOT what I stated
I guess we all spent a lot more time and money on cigs.
Just for informational purposes,
I can wrap and install dual coils on my derringer in less time than I can open a blister pack and install a prebuilt coil in a sub tank.
I rebuild about once every two months, not every few days.
I spend on average less money on coils per month than it costs most vapers to just ship a single prebuilt coil.
Along the way I've learned to fully understand my gear and I'm able to get the most out of it, and build it exactly to my personal tastes.
From a financial standpoint, DIY is to vaping like vaping is to analogs.
The only reason I wish I still had a sewing machine is because I have better taste than the clothing manufacturers.
That said the reason why I no longer have a machine is because it now costs more to make my own clothing than it does to buy it.
I'm glad at this moment in time we have the choices to do either diy or premade. But for how long is that going to last? I just started diying 2 months ago. I'm amazed that the juice I've been making is sooooo much better than what I bought. However, I completely understand the person who works a lot and doesn't have the time to diy or the person who can't see well enough or fingers fail them. I've been vaping for 2 1/2 years. It would have been so daunting to me to have even considered diy then. I was just happy to quit smoking.
Unfortunately the government will not keep that option available. Think they won't? I used to enjoy clove cigarettes. 6 years ago our great president signed an executive order banning flavored cigarettes. And boom, just like that they were gone. And it was for the kids, yeah right. Last time I looked mint is a flavor, you can still buy menthol. It was bull..... I worked at a smoke shop some years back and never saw teenagers buy cherry flavor cigarettes and especially cloves. Obviously when I say teenagers I mean 18+. The thing that was weird was you could still buy cigarellos flavored. So I don't know how that helped.
Ok, back on topic...I sing praises for diy. But to do it right you need to spend time researching first or you won't be happy with it, and some people just don't have the time or inclination. Even vaping premade is cheaper th a n cigarettes in a lot of cities. As long as you are off cigarettes and enjoy vaping. It's a choice. I just don't want to see that choice taken away. I don't trust the government. Buy a liter or two of nic and store it.
Unfortunately the government will not keep that option available. Think they won't? I used to enjoy clove cigarettes. 6 years ago our great president signed an executive order banning flavored cigarettes. And boom, just like that they were gone. And it was for the kids, yeah right. Last time I looked mint is a flavor, you can still buy menthol. It was bull..... I worked at a smoke shop some years back and never saw teenagers buy cherry flavor cigarettes and especially cloves. Obviously when I say teenagers I mean 18+. The thing that was weird was you could still buy cigarellos flavored. So I don't know how that helped.
Ok, back on topic...I sing praises for diy. But to do it right you need to spend time researching first or you won't be happy with it, and some people just don't have the time or inclination. Even vaping premade is cheaper th a n cigarettes in a lot of cities. As long as you are off cigarettes and enjoy vaping. It's a choice. I just don't want to see that choice taken away. I don't trust the government. Buy a liter or two of nic and store it.
The only reason I wish I still had a sewing machine is because I have better taste than the clothing manufacturers.
That said the reason why I no longer have a machine is because it now costs more to make my own clothing than it does to buy it.
If I knew how to operate a sewing machine, I'd be delighted to make my own clothes, because very little -- maybe 10% (or less!) -- of what is available for purchase, 1) fits me, or 2) suits my taste at all. Alas, cooking is easily learned if one likes to EAT, but nobody ever taught me how to operate a sewing machine.
Andria
Why do I not DIY?
Mostly because I live a stressful life and I don't handle stress well, so I don't wish to add to it. If I could afford to eat out, I would, but I can't so I use as many shortcuts as I can. Even then I can be heard screaming at the cook ware.
Why don't I build my own coils?
Partly because of the aforementioned stress, but mostly for the same reason I no longer crochet with black yarn/thread: I can't
see what I'm doing.
Mostly because I live a stressful life and I don't handle stress well, so I don't wish to add to it. If I could afford to eat out, I would, but I can't so I use as many shortcuts as I can. Even then I can be heard screaming at the cook ware.
Why don't I build my own coils?
Partly because of the aforementioned stress, but mostly for the same reason I no longer crochet with black yarn/thread: I can't
see what I'm doing.I read it and still don't know why you quoted me except to say "you're doing it wrong". If you're trying to tell me something else, please clarify.Read my statement again and try to comprehend it
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I was just using your post to go along with mine, so it might help other people that were thinking of DIY. It wasn't directed at you and you were notified that someone quoted your post and you took it as an insult, but I was just using it as an example. Have a good one.
When you quote my post, it IS directed at me. I'll take you at your word, even though you "know what's in (your) juice" and I apparently don't. I didn't just get a notification, I can read and comprehend and your post came off as condescending and arrogant. That sometimes happens unintentionally on forums, so it's all good.
Im not "new" - I switched to vaping almost five years ago- and Ive tried my hand at making my own liquid before with moderate success but went rapidly straight back to purchasing (Premium only) ejuice.
WHY ?
-The financial aspect is not too important to me (yes, obviously,I realize that DIY is much cheaper and I could save quite a bit of money)
-Getting the best and the most sophisticated flavors (in the sense of multi layered flavors-NOT a "simple/basic" one flavor-juice) IS very important to me
-Time-would rather spend the extra time I have doing something else,especially since it would take quite a bit of time to attain a comparable level
Example :
I could make chocolate cake at home ,it could even be pretty good...BUT...there is no way I could do as well as a highly -qualified pastry chef who has worked years to learn how to make the BEST chocolate cake, using a subtle & very complicated recipe...maybe also using 10 different kinds of chocolate from all over the world etc. etc.
So YES,it will be more expensive for me to buy a cake from this top-rated baker rather than making it myself at home or purchasing a very cheap basic cake from the supermarket....BUT that's MY choice, because I enjoy the difference & the quality!
It's the same for everything really, why do people go to purchase products or services from others rather than simply doing it themselves ???
If youre going to buy a cheap, very basic Chinese-type eliquid then you might as well just make it yourself with a bottle of PG/VG nic base and one bottle of cheap flavoring -would take no particular skill and all of two minutes, so,in that case it's certainly makes more sense to make it yourself
WHY ?
-The financial aspect is not too important to me (yes, obviously,I realize that DIY is much cheaper and I could save quite a bit of money)
-Getting the best and the most sophisticated flavors (in the sense of multi layered flavors-NOT a "simple/basic" one flavor-juice) IS very important to me
-Time-would rather spend the extra time I have doing something else,especially since it would take quite a bit of time to attain a comparable level
Example :
I could make chocolate cake at home ,it could even be pretty good...BUT...there is no way I could do as well as a highly -qualified pastry chef who has worked years to learn how to make the BEST chocolate cake, using a subtle & very complicated recipe...maybe also using 10 different kinds of chocolate from all over the world etc. etc.
So YES,it will be more expensive for me to buy a cake from this top-rated baker rather than making it myself at home or purchasing a very cheap basic cake from the supermarket....BUT that's MY choice, because I enjoy the difference & the quality!
It's the same for everything really, why do people go to purchase products or services from others rather than simply doing it themselves ???
If youre going to buy a cheap, very basic Chinese-type eliquid then you might as well just make it yourself with a bottle of PG/VG nic base and one bottle of cheap flavoring -would take no particular skill and all of two minutes, so,in that case it's certainly makes more sense to make it yourself
You know... it's entirely possible to make a very sophisticated ejuice yourself -- it doesn't have to be a '"simple/basic" one flavor-juice' -- my strawberry & cream was my first big success, and it's by far the best ejuice I've ever tasted. My Smocha is also very good; it's got 10 flavors in it. I made both of those within the first month I started DIYing.
Just because a juice is a DIY doesn't mean it's one-flavor, simple, or "not good."
Andria
Sort of agree. I know MOST of what's in my juice, but the actual chemicals in each flavor I use? Don't have a clue. The ones I chose because they said "no diketones," I trust the flavor makers a lot further than the ejuice makers who make that claim... but that shisha strawberry I love so much is organic, so who knows, it may have diketones for all I know; Inawera doesn't say one way or the other.
I think making your own allows you to have a better idea what's in it, but unless you're a chemist yourself with a lab in which to assay each flavor, there's really no way to know what's in those flavors. I just trust the flavor makers more than the ejuice makers.
Andria
I didnt say it HAD to be...
But getting to that point must have required quite a bit of time, practice and research,Im sure...?
Please dont be offended DIY-ers
,Im not criticizing or saying that anything home-made or produced by dilettantes is necessarily BAD or extremely simple & basic.Some people who are NOT professional cooks in 3 star restaurants can be VERY very GOOD cooks (or "whatever")...but...like everything.... it takes some work, time and practice
(that Im not willing to put in...so,bearing that in mind what are my chances of being able to make myself a Premium quality juice off-the bat,on the first try with no research or practice?)
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No, as I said, it was within my first month of doing real DIY (as opposed to just mixing 2 or more pre-mades). I'd had very little success with the very-simple type, so I studied every strawberry & cream recipe I could find, and used the guidelines presented in the TFA thread by @Bill's Magic Vapor -- 50% main flavor, 50% supporting creams, vanilla, and sweetener -- and came up with my own recipe for strawberry & cream that turned out to be pure magic. The very first try of it showed me it needed some minor adjustments on the proportions of some of the supporting flavors, but after those adjustments, it was absolutely wonderful; my first real "from scratch" ejuice, and my first big success. It's been my ADV for about a year now.
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