Why do vapers expect to be treated differently than smokers?
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You don't seem to understand that most of us are not arguing for being able to vape anywhere.
We are arguing about being restricted to vaping only where smoking is allowed.
thanks. PS, sorry if you think I am posting about my "post count on ECF".. but you are wrong.
I don't care about it.
I love ECF. It has taught me about my mechanicals and RBA's, my provari, my evic...
My cartomizers.. how to fill them, how to use the condom method.
I just don't agree with vaping where you aren't supposed to.
sorry.
I am out..
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My cartomizers.. how to fill them, how to use the condom method.
I just don't agree with vaping where you aren't supposed to.
sorry.
I am out..
Late
In answer to the original question... For me, I've always been a champion of smokers rights, and all rights we have to make choices as individuals. I have never, and hopefully will never, accept individual behavior being regulated. I believe we need to be more tolerant of each other in general.
Case in point... I don't smoke any more. I am consistently placed in situations where I am around people who are smoking. I don't like the smell, I don't want the second-hand, etc... But I recognize that those smokers should have a right to smoke in designated smoking areas, and I have just as much right to not stand near it. Some times it's unavoidable, but there are always in life going to be situations that are unpleasant... and unavoidable.
I'm getting off track here... We all need to be more tolerant of the rights of any individual to do whatever they want, with their bodies. We blame others too much for things, when we do worse to ourselves. I'm sick to death of watching a 300 lb man order two McDonald's value meals with one drink, then yell at a smoker for "killing him" with his smoke... it's insane!
Ok, hopefully you get my point... We all need to be more responsible and tolerant. Period.
Case in point... I don't smoke any more. I am consistently placed in situations where I am around people who are smoking. I don't like the smell, I don't want the second-hand, etc... But I recognize that those smokers should have a right to smoke in designated smoking areas, and I have just as much right to not stand near it. Some times it's unavoidable, but there are always in life going to be situations that are unpleasant... and unavoidable.
I'm getting off track here... We all need to be more tolerant of the rights of any individual to do whatever they want, with their bodies. We blame others too much for things, when we do worse to ourselves. I'm sick to death of watching a 300 lb man order two McDonald's value meals with one drink, then yell at a smoker for "killing him" with his smoke... it's insane!
Ok, hopefully you get my point... We all need to be more responsible and tolerant. Period.
Mjrhartley I agree completely. And if businesses don't want people vaping inside and/or near their building they should have an area away from smokers preferably climate controlled lol. But seriously even before I quit analogs and started vaping I didn't see a problem with indoor vaping.
ok this scares me a LOT...not just regarding vaping.
so if they tell me i can't vape in my car i just shouldn't?
or i can't eat broccoli without first blessing it and anointing it in sardine juice i should just do it cuz they said so?
or if they tell me that i must wear purple everyday whether i am to be seen in public or not i must do so?
regarding vaping....they haven't said....
(who is they anyway? and why are they so much smarter than i am?)
I love ECF. It has taught me about my mechanicals and RBA's, my provari, my evic...
My cartomizers.. how to fill them, how to use the condom method.
I just don't agree with vaping where you aren't supposed to.
sorry.
I am out..
Late
are you drunk?
most everyone in this thread is self-regulating...there is no "where you aren't supposed to" but i've seen time and time and time again in threads just like this the word "respectfully"....
in the words of mr blu stephen dorff "we're all adults here...." (i think?) LMAO
p.s. it's not a california thing
I expect us to be treated Differently from Smokers and NON-Vapors.
Examples:
1. We should be allowed to Vape in Bar/Night Clubs - These are areas for adults.
2. We shouldn't have to walk 25 feet away from an entrance at work to vape, and if our Employer deems it okay, we should be allowed to vape inside our work area *only if Employer deems it okay*
3. Should not be forced to sit around smokers while vaping (I've noticed that it makes for a bad taste while vaping lol)
4. Should not be allowed to vape inside restaurants - Common decency applies here, if our society deems smoking a disgusting habit, then mimicking it while people are trying to eat is just indecent.
5. Movie theaters are a no no for vaping - obstructs viewing of the movie for others.
Common sense should apply here, we are all adults here. Vaping in a place that you know for a fact would offend people, just to say you can vape there, is just as bad as those people that would walk 500 feet out of their way just to go by you when you were outside smoking in the past, so they can cough and make comments. And this is just my opinion
Examples:
1. We should be allowed to Vape in Bar/Night Clubs - These are areas for adults.
2. We shouldn't have to walk 25 feet away from an entrance at work to vape, and if our Employer deems it okay, we should be allowed to vape inside our work area *only if Employer deems it okay*
3. Should not be forced to sit around smokers while vaping (I've noticed that it makes for a bad taste while vaping lol)
4. Should not be allowed to vape inside restaurants - Common decency applies here, if our society deems smoking a disgusting habit, then mimicking it while people are trying to eat is just indecent.
5. Movie theaters are a no no for vaping - obstructs viewing of the movie for others.
Common sense should apply here, we are all adults here. Vaping in a place that you know for a fact would offend people, just to say you can vape there, is just as bad as those people that would walk 500 feet out of their way just to go by you when you were outside smoking in the past, so they can cough and make comments. And this is just my opinion
That's a pretty good display of common sense there.Common sense should apply here, we are all adults here. Vaping in a place that you know for a fact would offend people, just to say you can vape there, is just as bad as those people that would walk 500 feet out of their way just to go by you when you were outside smoking in the past, so they can cough and make comments. And this is just my opinion
So, i vape respectfully.
I vape in bars, because it's allowed-even though smoking is not. It's allowed in restaurants too, but i generally don't vape at the table.
But here's the thing, in my city I expect vaping to be treated differently because the city smoking ordinance specifies that the smoking restrictions do NOT include vaping . That's because i took the time to educate city council members. I sent them emails with references, i wrote letters to the newspaper, and i went to the public hearings and made my case.
I didn't do it by myself. Bar owners also supported exempting vaping, and others wrote to the city council and CASAA supported me all the way, but i was the only regular citizen asking for the right to vape at the two council hearings. And they listened.
I still vape respectfully, but I can vape where smoking isn't allowed, and so can others, because we fought for the right to do so.
I vape in bars, because it's allowed-even though smoking is not. It's allowed in restaurants too, but i generally don't vape at the table.
But here's the thing, in my city I expect vaping to be treated differently because the city smoking ordinance specifies that the smoking restrictions do NOT include vaping . That's because i took the time to educate city council members. I sent them emails with references, i wrote letters to the newspaper, and i went to the public hearings and made my case.
I didn't do it by myself. Bar owners also supported exempting vaping, and others wrote to the city council and CASAA supported me all the way, but i was the only regular citizen asking for the right to vape at the two council hearings. And they listened.
I still vape respectfully, but I can vape where smoking isn't allowed, and so can others, because we fought for the right to do so.
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Excellent thread! I personally feel there's such a stigma with smoking and not enough awareness about vaping. With that said, I'll have a stealth Vape here and there but mostly I apply the same rules to my vaping in public as though it were smoking.
First let me say that the OP is NOT representative of Californians. I'm from San Francisco a serious ANTZ stronghold and I vape pretty much where I want when I want within reason. Movie theaters and restaurants are out but nearly everywhere else is fair game unless someone is adamant that I stop. As far as thinking no smoking signs apply to vaping, that's like thinking a "No Trucks" sign applies to bicycles.
I believe that smoking is and should be banned in most public places due to the risks to innocent bystanders. Vaping, as far as we know, poses no risk to those around you. Therefore, I believe you should be able to vape in a public place. People smoking in a restaurant bothers me because I don't want to smell and taste their smoke instead of my food. Ecigs solve that!
I'm not sure if it's a generational thing or a sign of the times, or perhaps both. But the mentality these days seems to be, just roll over and take it, the govt knows best and is never wrong and always knows everything. Do as you're told, don't think twice about it and don't dare question it. This seems to be a slippery slope we're sliding down head over heels lately, or perhaps i'm just old enough to realize it finally.
More on topic. Vapers should be treated differently because the two things are completely different. It's about like saying you shouldn't drink a glass of juice in an area that restricts alcohol, simply because they're both liquids. I think wv2win sums it up best with vape responsibly. Don't be a jerk, don't be overbearing, don't attempt to push peoples buttons purposefully with your vaping. But certainly don't act or feel like you're a felon with something to hide. Personally i dont vape in restaraunts, theaters, etc. but that's mainly because i've got horrible social anxiety and don't even want to deal with people talking to me or questioning me in the middle of a crowd. I'm about the most passive person you'll meet, but i'm not about to lay back and pretend vaping is the same as smoking.
More on topic. Vapers should be treated differently because the two things are completely different. It's about like saying you shouldn't drink a glass of juice in an area that restricts alcohol, simply because they're both liquids. I think wv2win sums it up best with vape responsibly. Don't be a jerk, don't be overbearing, don't attempt to push peoples buttons purposefully with your vaping. But certainly don't act or feel like you're a felon with something to hide. Personally i dont vape in restaraunts, theaters, etc. but that's mainly because i've got horrible social anxiety and don't even want to deal with people talking to me or questioning me in the middle of a crowd. I'm about the most passive person you'll meet, but i'm not about to lay back and pretend vaping is the same as smoking.
Have a great weekend everyone. Interesting Topic, interesting opinions. Keep on vapeing 
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