Why E ciggaretts is not been studied probably ?? what effects and side effects does it cause to our body? is it safer than regular cigs??

[DocWyatt]

LOL. I never attacked you. I tried to simplify what so called "vaping" is. Most doctors do not have any understanding of what it is - or isn't.

As far as nicotine being harmful to your arteries, I strongly suggest that studies show that concept is nonsense.

I also do not agree that vaping "should" be different than eating them. Why? Because the composition of the materials does not change. You are absorbing them into your body. If these did not absorb or the composition changed - then it would cause concern, in my view. But that is not the case.

In addition, to those that are paranoid, there is a 100% correlation between eating and death, outside of Jesus. Therefore, anything can be correlated to "possibly" have detrimental effects. Causation is an entirely different matter.

 

[Chaz]

KissMint raises a good point as well.

 

[DocWyatt]

KissMint raises a good point as well.

Not really because it is not in a "controlled" environment. Most answers will come from those that are most concerned or psychosomatic. It would not be valid research.

 

[Dr.Sami]

This entire thread should be about ONE very simple question. Is vaping PG bad or isn'it it?

The "tests" and other questions is like taking the equation of 2 +2 = X. Instead of trying to determine that the answer is 4, you are debating whether our entire concept of math is valid.

Once again, it is nicotine, PG, Flavor. You are inhaling it, not burning. Therefore, you are absorbing PG. That's it.

Let me simplify your study for you.

Nicotine: Medical experts have studied this. It is non-harmful to most people. CHECK.

PG: Approved as safe. The composition does not change while vaping. The ONLY question is whether it could be harmful in massive doses.

Flavors: Again, approved as safe, not changing their composition,therefore it is only absorption. Once again, the only issue is in absorbing massive levels.

Honestly, i just do not know how to make this any more simple. ANY valid vaping "study" would not be about whether "vaping" is safe. It would ONLY be about whether high levels of PG or flavors are safe because it is a simple matter of absorption. That's it. Simple.

Thebuss
Still i respect ur opinion even though i don't agree with all of it , I don't know how i can make things simple for you as well .
whats wrong with gathering signs and symptoms that a vapor may develop in the absence of a legitimate clinical studies ?????
PG/VG/Nicotine/Flavors/alcohol,..etc absorbed by the Lungs under the term vaping is NEW, dose, effects and symptoms are not clear .
I respect ur understanding of VG/PG/nicotine/flavor...etc safety, but still I would love to know from others what clinical signs/symptoms/effect/goods and bads about e smoking dear THEBUSS,
Thanks again for being Kind

 

[Dr.Sami]

again I am researching to understand and help other people understand and I am not that stupid to carry a study with no regulation based on what ever some cases say .

 

[DocWyatt]

Nothing wrong with gathering signs, as you say. The far bigger question is what I mentioned above. In addition, many of the "signs", in addition to being possibly psychosomatic, would be far more likely caused by their previous smoking. Therefore, any research done by asking questions is mostly pointless, certainly not valid research. Therefore, while perhaps remotely interesting and entertaining, it would have no value.

 

[Chaz]

TheBuzz, I may be wrong, but I sensed an element of sarcasm with KissMint's statement. I believe the point was that this a bunch of opinions and there was nothing scientific about it. Just me...maybe wrong.

 

[Chaz]

By the way, any data collected here is protected by the privacy terms set forth by the user agreement, so let the guy have his fun.

 

[DocWyatt]

LOL, no sarcasm. Just making a point - there is no way to determine what "caused" any symptoms. You have to remember that everyone on here smoked or still smokes. What caused the symptom? Impossible to know, hence it is somewhat pointless.

 

[Chaz]

Not including other changes in lifestyle, products used, what brand of laundry detergent they swapped to...bla, bla... I'm with you there.

 

[DocWyatt]

On my point of absorption - this is critical. If something you were inhaling did not absorb into the body - but instead stayed in one place - even if the composition never changed by vaporizing it, this would be important, in my view.

Why? Because it could clog your lungs/arteries, etc. My understanding is that PG absorbs. Therefore, the only issue should be is whether the level of PG consumed is safe. This is why i did not agree that consuming PG should be different than inhaling it. Again, if PG did not absorb, then inhaling it and consuming it could be totally different and not comparable. This would cause an issue of concern, in my view -but that is not the case.

 

[markmcs]

I have been vaping for 3 months. I breathe better, I feel better, I smell better. My sense of taste and smell are greatly improved! I can now climb out of the subway without getting out of breath.

When I fall back into smoking more than one or 2 analogs, My cough returns and my chest feels tight again.

Vaping does NOT have to be completely risk free to be a viable alternative to smoking. NRT's like the patch and the gum are not risk free either, but will soon be marketed for long term use. Smokeless tobacco products, while having their share of risk, are also much safer than smoking, as the cancer and heart disease rates for their use are much lower than smoking.

Personally, I have had ZERO negative side effects from vaping, and many positives. From what I have read here over the past 3 months, the few ECF members who've had some issue or problem were quickly able to eliminate them through minor adjustments in what and how they vape.

If you want to eliminate any risk from your life, quit smoking, drinking, eating, and breathing...climb into a germ free bubble, and travel to some distant, uninhabited planet that has no weather, no seismic activity, as well as a forcefield to protect from asteroids and solar flares. Then start praying that you have no genetic predispositions to any type of health problem. Other than that, I think all here would agree that if vaping held some serious risks, they would have already become evident.

Dr. Sami, what is your interest in this information? Do you smoke? does your family smoke? Do you work for BT, BP, or the FDA?

 

[DocWyatt]

He said he had family trying ecigs or something. My only point, if that is true, was to simplify this logically. Either PG is safe to be absorbed into the body at high levels - or it isn't. Any other study of so called "vaping" is silliness, in my view.

This would be far more complex if vaping did not consist of only three components.

 

[markmcs]

Hey Dr. Sami,
My Spidey sense is tingling. I think you are not who you say you are and your agenda is other than you say. What's up? I have never heard a doctor call his MD an "MD degree" Where did you earn your degree, and have you passed the required AMA licensing exams? How about you share a little, rather than just trolling for information?

 

[Dr.Sami]

I have been vaping for 3 months. I breathe better, I feel better, I smell better. My sense of taste and smell are greatly improved! I can now climb out of the subway without getting out of breath.

When I fall back into smoking more than one or 2 analogs, My cough returns and my chest feels tight again.

Vaping does NOT have to be completely risk free to be a viable alternative to smoking. NRT's like the patch and the gum are not risk free either, but will soon be marketed for long term use. Smokeless tobacco products, while having their share of risk, are also much safer than smoking, as the cancer and heart disease rates for their use are much lower than smoking.

Personally, I have had ZERO negative side effects from vaping, and many positives. From what I have read here over the past 3 months, the few ECF members who've had some issue or problem were quickly able to eliminate them through minor adjustments in what and how they vape.

If you want to eliminate any risk from your life, quit smoking, drinking, eating, and breathing...climb into a germ free bubble, and travel to some distant, uninhabited planet that has no weather, no seismic activity, as well as a forcefield to protect from asteroids and solar flares. Then start praying that you have no genetic predispositions to any type of health problem. Other than that, I think all here would agree that if vaping held some serious risks, they would have already become evident.

Dr. Sami, what is your interest in this information? Do you smoke? does your family smoke? Do you work for BT, BP, or the FDA?

NO I dont work for any of them, and yes I have a brother and a sister who are using e cigs and I dont gather any personal data from no one , i just read the answers of whom willing to share their sign and symptoms and positives and negatives about the E cig and vaping for better understanding, it help care providers and e smokers to understand vaping better .

lets say 50 vapors developed nasal polyps for example ?? then it can open an eye to look for a polyp next time we examine a vapor. or lets say for example if 15 vapors developed major ulcers in the lower lip or floor of the mouth that healed or didn't heal with or without a scar then we try to study and investigate the case carefully and have something to look for in the next vapor. these common things can direct the patients and care providers attention to deeper look and farther study and investigation.
and I also love to mention to thebuss that water,juice, air, glucose and protein and many many many things natural and organic that is from the first look can be very healthy for u and maybe recommended but if u play with the dose and route of administration these very healthy things which can be absorbed fine from specific sites can harm u big time if u get it through other routes , I hope u got my point.
take water as an example can u inhale water in the liquid form ? can u drink huge amount of water without getting Water intoxication which may be fatal????

Thanks again for ur kindness

 

[markmcs]

Heartbskts
I have 2 people in my family who i love very much started e cig smoking so don't get defensive and think that i am all against it, (I am not with and not against it as of now), I am trying to get a better understanding of it and research it and i would love for it to be safe but i cant be biased. I need to be sure about its safety or to prove its not safe with evidence and without doubt.

Hey doc,
Why don't you ask some of your colleagues, other "MDs", what they think? Ask why many, who are obviously much more informed than you, RECOMMEND ecigs to their patients who smoke?

Why not be grateful that your loved ones are no longer smoking? Even without all the evidence, it's obvious that vaping is a hell of a lot safer!!!! So is crossing the street without looking both ways, for that matter!

 

[markmcs]

NO I dont work for any of them, and yes I have a brother and a sister who are using e cigs and I dont gather any personal data from no one , i just read the answers of whom willing to share their sign and symptoms and positives and negatives about the E cig and vaping for better understanding, it help care providers and e smokers to understand vaping better .

lets say 50 vapors developed nasal polyps for example ?? then it can open an eye to look for a polyp next time we examine a vapor. or lets say for example if 15 vapors developed major ulcers in the lower lip or floor of the mouth that healed or didn't heal with or without a scar then we try to study and investigate the case carefully and have something to look for in the next vapor. these common things can direct the patients and car providers attention to deeper look and farther study and investigation.
and I also love to mention to thebuss that water,juice, air, glucose and protein and many many many things natural and organic that is from the first look can be very healthy for u and maybe recommended but if u play with the dose and route of administration these very healthy things which can be absorbed fine from specific sites can harm u big time if u got through other routes , I hope u got my point.
take water as an example can u inhale water in the liquid form ? can u drink huge amount of water without getting Water intoxication which may be fatal????

Thanks again for ur kindness

You keep mentioning "WE" !!! Who is we? I thought this was a personal quest of yours? Care providers? Do you work for an HMO? Who are you anyway?

 

[markmcs]

Hey doc,
How many people have you treated for "Water Intoxication" and how many patients have you lost from it? You don't speak like any doctor I have ever dealt with. Where do you practice?

 

[DocWyatt]

Why I mentioned that the ONLY possible study or issue is whether or not PG is safe in considerable doses. We both agree. The remainder of your questions are pointless as there is no basis in fact or likely probability that an issue exists - or may exist.

This is the one and ONLY possible study that should be done. It has almost nothing to do with vaping. It is simply whether PG in high levels are safe - or not. Simple as that.

Whether you eat it, rub it on your skin or vape it is likely not relevant as it absorbs into your body - as I have said many times.

 

[oshnblu]

notes to the dr...I got an e-cig 5 weeks ago. I have been able to go from 2 PAD to 5 a day. That makes me happy. I have smoked since I was less than 10 and learned to inhale at 12. I quit once, when my youngest was 1 because she has asthma, I smoked with both my pregancies. I know, I know...It is what it is...

The vaping seems to be a way out...BF sez I snore less, house smells better, I do to...I spend less..I feel better.

I do not hack up a lung in the AM, my skin looks better, my eyes dont water all day.

Like when I tried Phin/fin to lose weight....no side effects, and then there were some...I was happy with the weight loss. I am happy with vaping!