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That kind of makes the point made earlier about the Provari being all American parts as well as assemblage moot, and puts it more on the level of the vape-Pro. :-/ Which... the vape-Pro is only $100 for the body. So where again does that extra $100+ go to? :confused:

Wondering if you really want an answer to that question. Well here goes anyway...

The other $100 goes to, the other parts besides the body, packaging, rent, lease or mortgage of the property Provari's are manufactured at, phone bill, electric bill, water bill, gas bill, trash bill, sewage bill, employee's paychecks, paper, staples, toner for copiers, lightbulbs, pens, cleaning service for the offices, insurance, health insurance insurance for employees, business licenses, business taxes, property taxes, sales tax, maintenance of equipment, shall I go on?

I have a Vamo, so I'm not totally against buying Chinese junk, and it is junk when compared to mods made in 1st and 2nd world countries. But I bought it used and when it breaks under normal use (and it will) it will not be replaced. It was an attempt to have a backup for my American made Zenesis that I could afford and insure that in case anything went wrong with my Zen or I lost it, I would have a backup so I wouldn't go back to stinkies.

I'm saving my hard earned $$ for a Provari next then a Dingo then I'll be done with buying mods for a while.

Personally I'd rather pay A LOT more for an American made product than pay less for a Chinese made product. I don't want to sound aloof here (to late, I know) but if more Americans thought this way we wouldn't be in as bad a political and financial climate as we are in now.

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Lol...that would be the zmax PCB...it's loud, not particularly efficient and they find a new way to sell the same thing to people every 3 months.

Looks it's a Smok Zmax, now a sigelei zmax, now it has rms, now it's a vamo, now it's an anyvape, now it's an svd, now it's a sigelei zmax with ego threads, now it's an SS smok zmax, now it's a mini, now it's a groove, now it's a telescoping one, now it's an anyvape v2, now it's a vape pro, now it's a sid

I'm still trying to figure out what components the Vape-Pro uses. You guys keep on talking about these apvs like the Vamo and Zmax being noisy, but my Vape-Pro doesn't make any noise at all. Please stop saying it's the same as the Zmax. It's became blaringly obvious to me from these comments that it's not. And none of you even knew what it WAS before I mentioned it, yet you're now assuming it's just the same as the Vamo or Zmax, and it's not. :-/

Quick description of the Vape-Pro from my experience:

- completely QUIET operation
- much easier to understand menu system than the Vamo or Zmax... I read all the manuals before purchase to determine which device had the easier menu system, and the Vape-Pro won hands down... partially because it is capable of displaying more characters, partially because it uses easy to understand abbreviations for all the functions and settings
- accurately determines battery life and stops usage completely along with a flashing "low" display when the battery is too low to provide a consistent vape
- heavy duty steel construction, seamless molded body... there's no pieces to screw up or come off when you drop it, even the 510 part of the connector is recessed in to the body of the device itself so that can't even break, just your delivery system... the button itself is even steel. Cap to the battery screws in smoothly and never has had threading issues. And I have dropped it PLENTY of times on concrete to testify that it's pretty unbreakable. The only gripe I have is the part of the design that has instigated all those drops... it being heavy, smooth steel with vertical stripes in the design for the grips. Just slips right through my hands. Thus why I've started using a lanyard when it's in use. When I'm done, I put it in my pocket or purse. Really IMHO no matter what device you use you should take steps like using a lanyard while vaping to prevent dropping it. No matter how well made a device is, dropping makes its life span shorter. I know that just from being a tech... I don't have to be an expert on vaping devices to know that, it's just electronics in general.
- Just because it may look like a Zmax, doesn't mean it IS a Zmax. I could probably point out half a dozen APVs that look a like but actually have nothing in common with each other. If a body design is popular, it will be repeated, with the only differences being in the details like grip design. I really don't get how so many "experienced" members on this board can't seem to realize that, but I was easily able to tell the differences between the two when I was actually researching this purchase and weighing the Vape-Pro against cheaper devices... Zmax and Vamo included. I.E. I actually *justified* spending the extra $50 on the Vape-Pro by research alone... because through that research I found that it was indeed better built than the Zmax, Vamo, or any of the other $50 range mods. I didn't even need to know about the noises those devices make. Just looked up reviews, read all the manuals, and carefully studied the pictures of the devices. Just on studying the pictures alone, I could tell the Vape-Pro was a better build. Perhaps it's just the fact I am used to knowing what a quality build looks like from looking for the same kind of details that I look for in a laptop or cell phone's picture.
- The vape is smooth/consistent and I don't find a need for more power considering I never need to max out the volts or watts to get enough vapor. Right now I'm resting comfortably at 7.5 watts... normally I don't go above 9, and this is capable of going all the way up to 15 watts. When I first started out with it in fact the vape was SO powerful I had to start out using RMS instead of MEAN, even though I was already accustomed to a different 6 volt APV that I kept maxed out all the time. Now I've graduated to MEAN, and even then I don't have to max out the volts or watts to get a good vape.
- The features keep me happy. I can check the battery voltage, the ohms of the delivery system, change between v/w, change between RMS/MEAN, change the display to show the ohms of the delivery system, the battery power, or the output v/w depending on which I'm using. Probably most important to me about these features is the display is understandable enough to change these on the fly without referring to the manual.

Anything else you want to know... you can ask me or check the device out for yourself. No more snap judgments about it now though without any kind of research beyond a quick glimpse of the picture. I've looked in the Provari more than that... like reading the manual... BEFORE I started this thread. If I can put more thought in to considering the device you're using, you can do the same before making declarations about the device I'm using... or at least ask questions about it like I have been doing with the Provari before jumping to conclusions.

Seriously, all this putting down of the device I'm using when I did plenty of research on it prior to purchase, have been way happier with it than any of my previous APVs, and have enough experience with APVs to compare it to others.... when you haven't even done anything but seen a picture of it... it's downright insulting, and illogical to boot.
 

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Wondering if you really want an answer to that question. Well here goes anyway...

The other $100 goes to, the other parts besides the body, packaging, rent, lease or mortgage of the property Provari's are manufactured at, phone bill, electric bill, water bill, gas bill, trash bill, sewage bill, employee's paychecks, paper, staples, toner for copiers, lightbulbs, pens, cleaning service for the offices, insurance, health insurance insurance for employees, business licenses, business taxes, property taxes, sales tax, maintenance of equipment, shall I go on?

I have a Vamo, so I'm not totally against buying Chinese junk, and it is junk when compared to mods made in 1st and 2nd world countries. But I bought it used and when it breaks under normal use (and it will) it will not be replaced. It was an attempt to have a backup for my American made Zenesis that I could afford and insure that in case anything went wrong with my Zen or I lost it, I would have a backup so I wouldn't go back to stinkies.

I'm saving my hard earned $$ for a Provari next then a Dingo then I'll be done with buying mods for a while.

Personally I'd rather pay A LOT more for an American made product than pay less for a Chinese made product. I don't want to sound aloof here (to late, I know) but if more Americans thought this way we wouldn't be in as bad a political and financial climate as we are in now.

YMMV

I wonder if you've even read or just skimmed most of what I've said in this thread. Besides, someone else already answered that question that evidently DID read my posts and noticed that I had already mentioned another American made device that cost half as much as the Provari. So yeah... bills... being paid more than $2 an hour... those reasons don't cut the cake. However... research and testing of a new technology... and ESPECIALLY extra warranty coverage... do.
 
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Honestly, I think VW is best for newbies and those who just don't want to bother with worrying about burning out their clearos/carts. I don't really think anyone is trying to say it's BETTER per se than VV... just that it's EASIER. I would have saved a lot of money on clearos/carts in the beginning if I had gotten a VW device instead of VV, just because the VW feature keeps you from damaging them, unlike VV. But at the same time, VV opened the door to helping me gain a better understanding of how everything worked... so I guess it really comes down to how technical the user wants to get with their devices, and how often they want to do it.

VW works for a lot of people, but it depends on the person and how they vape. For me It's rather unnecessary. I vape a lot of different types of flavors as far as ratio and type (tobacco, candy, fruit, etc) and they all react differently to different temperatures. 8w with a tobacco is gonna end up to weak while with fruit vapes its right on just for example. Even the same types require different amounts of heat to hit the sweet spot. If I've just for a bounce around the numbers either way makes no difference what the number looks like.
That was the case when I had a limited number of mods now that I more than a few one tank goes on one mod and there is no switching. It still does nothing for me, set it and forget it be it VV or VW until its time to change flavors in that tank.
Also, and I'm not trying to sell you on one, but the provari won't allow you to burn out cartos and coils. If you put a 1.5ohm coil on it and try to burn at over 4.9v you get an error code. It saves you from yourself. Someone can correct me if in wrong but its the only device I know of that does this. That's why SLR guy's dislike it and ask Provape for more power.


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i own a provari because when i go to work in the morning i know it was made here it supports american families. The main reason, because i know that no matter what i put it through during the day leaning over engines, laying on it on concrete, dropping it on concrete, its going to work exactly the same when i get home as when i left the house. It's not up for debate, it's proven it to me on many occasions.
 

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Seriously, all this putting down of the device I'm using when I did plenty of research on it prior to purchase, have been way happier with it than any of my previous APVs, and have enough experience with APVs to compare it to others.... when you haven't even done anything but seen a picture of it... it's downright insulting, and illogical to boot.

I owned a Zmax and a Vamo - so I have used it.
Same thing different body, it's a 33.3hz mod like the rest of them.

Don't get me wrong, these do actually deliver the goods but the quality of vape is not half as good, same thing with durability.
It's true that you can buy eight Vamo's for the price of a Provari - the Provari will outlast all eight, even with constant usage.

The cheaper devices end up being a false economy.
 

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yeah, once you get over the whole, "oh cool! my device has variable voltage AND variable wattage" thing, and it comes down to the fact that you're pretty much vaping at the same sweet spot regardless of voltage or wattage, it comes down to build quality, longevity, dependability, and customer service. try getting the vendor to repair your evic ring when it pops or your vamo when the center pin breaks (both good devices for the price, by the way...well, at least the vamo is), and you'll come up with the fact that you're going to need to buy another device to replace the broken one you bought because you didn't want to shell out the cash for the pro vari. but wait-before i get jumped on, let me say that it is clear that the provari is not the only big kid on the block anymore. there are several very good devices with cooler screens and cooler functions for a lot less money. and i recommend anyone new to vaping NOT run out and buy a provari. it's an investment in a permanent commitment to vaping that won't let you down if you drop it or tip it over. it's a friggin' tank. and if something goes wrong with it, it has a warranty, and if the warranty runs out, you can buy another warranty or pay a minimal price for repair, which you will get from a company that offers excellent service.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out what components the Vape-Pro uses. You guys keep on talking about these apvs like the Vamo and Zmax being noisy, but my Vape-Pro doesn't make any noise at all. Please stop saying it's the same as the Zmax. It's became blaringly obvious to me from these comments that it's not. And none of you even knew what it WAS before I mentioned it, yet you're now assuming it's just the same as the Vamo or Zmax, and it's not. :-/

Quick description of the Vape-Pro from my experience:

- completely QUIET operation
- much easier to understand menu system than the Vamo or Zmax... I read all the manuals before purchase to determine which device had the easier menu system, and the Vape-Pro won hands down... partially because it is capable of displaying more characters, partially because it uses easy to understand abbreviations for all the functions and settings
- accurately determines battery life and stops usage completely along with a flashing "low" display when the battery is too low to provide a consistent vape
- heavy duty steel construction, seamless molded body... there's no pieces to screw up or come off when you drop it, even the 510 part of the connector is recessed in to the body of the device itself so that can't even break, just your delivery system... the button itself is even steel. Cap to the battery screws in smoothly and never has had threading issues. And I have dropped it PLENTY of times on concrete to testify that it's pretty unbreakable. The only gripe I have is the part of the design that has instigated all those drops... it being heavy, smooth steel with vertical stripes in the design for the grips. Just slips right through my hands. Thus why I've started using a lanyard when it's in use. When I'm done, I put it in my pocket or purse. Really IMHO no matter what device you use you should take steps like using a lanyard while vaping to prevent dropping it. No matter how well made a device is, dropping makes its life span shorter. I know that just from being a tech... I don't have to be an expert on vaping devices to know that, it's just electronics in general.
- Just because it may look like a Zmax, doesn't mean it IS a Zmax. I could probably point out half a dozen APVs that look a like but actually have nothing in common with each other. If a body design is popular, it will be repeated, with the only differences being in the details like grip design. I really don't get how so many "experienced" members on this board can't seem to realize that, but I was easily able to tell the differences between the two when I was actually researching this purchase and weighing the Vape-Pro against cheaper devices... Zmax and Vamo included. I.E. I actually *justified* spending the extra $50 on the Vape-Pro by research alone... because through that research I found that it was indeed better built than the Zmax, Vamo, or any of the other $50 range mods. I didn't even need to know about the noises those devices make. Just looked up reviews, read all the manuals, and carefully studied the pictures of the devices. Just on studying the pictures alone, I could tell the Vape-Pro was a better build. Perhaps it's just the fact I am used to knowing what a quality build looks like from looking for the same kind of details that I look for in a laptop or cell phone's picture.
- The vape is smooth/consistent and I don't find a need for more power considering I never need to max out the volts or watts to get enough vapor. Right now I'm resting comfortably at 7.5 watts... normally I don't go above 9, and this is capable of going all the way up to 15 watts. When I first started out with it in fact the vape was SO powerful I had to start out using RMS instead of MEAN, even though I was already accustomed to a different 6 volt APV that I kept maxed out all the time. Now I've graduated to MEAN, and even then I don't have to max out the volts or watts to get a good vape.
- The features keep me happy. I can check the battery voltage, the ohms of the delivery system, change between v/w, change between RMS/MEAN, change the display to show the ohms of the delivery system, the battery power, or the output v/w depending on which I'm using. Probably most important to me about these features is the display is understandable enough to change these on the fly without referring to the manual.

Anything else you want to know... you can ask me or check the device out for yourself. No more snap judgments about it now though without any kind of research beyond a quick glimpse of the picture. I've looked in the Provari more than that... like reading the manual... BEFORE I started this thread. If I can put more thought in to considering the device you're using, you can do the same before making declarations about the device I'm using... or at least ask questions about it like I have been doing with the Provari before jumping to conclusions.

Seriously, all this putting down of the device I'm using when I did plenty of research on it prior to purchase, have been way happier with it than any of my previous APVs, and have enough experience with APVs to compare it to others.... when you haven't even done anything but seen a picture of it... it's downright insulting, and illogical to boot.

When he says its the 'same' as these other devices he's just referring to the chipset that gives you the electric output frequency. Every VW APV with the exception of the EVIC and DNA mods all have the same chipset and fire at the same frequency. The only difference between the Vamo, zmax's, BoBo, tmax, smax, itaste SVD is build and menu system. In performance they're identical. The noise people are referring to is that frequency,but it's only noticeable on cartos as far as I know. Also, if you look up pictures of the Smok Zmax I see no difference in appearance between this and your device.
Its not impossible that someone made up a VW device that fires at a high frequency. Until someone puts it on an oscope it anyone's guess, but there's a HIGH probability that its identical to these devices as well.

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Just looked at some TW Vape pro blurb on Youtube - it's a Zmax, same menu system and button placement.
I think the body design does give it a "naughty ladies" boudoir "toy" look.

Had a few of these, all dead now of course - see my rants on Zmax thread.



Clever what TW did for the name of this device - Provape backwards -classy!
 
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I wonder if you've even read or just skimmed most of what I've said in this thread. Besides, someone else already answered that question that evidently DID read my posts and noticed that I had already mentioned another American made device that cost half as much as the Provari. So yeah... bills... being paid more than $2 an hour... those reasons don't cut the cake. However... research and testing of a new technology... and ESPECIALLY extra warranty coverage... do.

I read every word of this thread up until your post that I quoted.

My post was not a personal attack nor was it meant to offend.

Just an answer to your question and all the pro buy American was directed at everyone not just you.
 

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sheesh....someone loves their vape-pro as much as i love my provari...and my billet box...and my vamo...and my mechanicals...lol

for the record, i don't give a damn if the device is made proudly in the usa, in china, korea, or the phillipines...as long as it does what i want it to do, i'm happy to have it as part of my collection. bottom line, whatever you're vaping that works for you is what is best for you.
 

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I visited a new, local B&M vaping store yesterday (Vaporcraft in Clawson Mi., nice folks) just to check things out. They had a few Provari's. I was so impressed after I saw, felt and tried it I ended up buying one. Before I went there I thought they were just too darn expensive, no matter how well built they were. I had no intention of picking one up. You just have to try one yourself. The product itself convinced me to purchase it. I'm lovin' this thing!
 

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I can't believe I came back to read this thread again. I can't believe someone starts this same thread twice a week or more. I can't believe people can't just buy whatever they want to buy and be happy with it. I can't believe there are so many people that think only what they like is any good.

If you think a Provari is too expensive, just don't buy one. How hard is that?
 

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Just looked at some TW Vape pro blurb on Youtube - it's a Zmax, same menu system and button placement.

I looked too. It sure looks like a Zmax... I would really like to know if it is a Zmax--just like their Tornadoes were eGos. Nothing wrong with rebranding, many vendors do that; if you buy enough of anything you can have your logo added. But if it's a Zmax (Smoktech?), why do they claim it's UK/USA made??? Something isn't quite right here. They never claimed that Tornados were UK made, AFAIK.

Clever what TW did for the name of this device - Provape backwards -classy!

Seriously... :facepalm:

They copy a Zmax and give it a name that sounds like ProVape? That's totally wicked. And disgusting.

I never liked that company, but this is a new low...
 

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well said what I find funny about thread like these is @ $159 base price the provari isn't even the most expensive mod out there.

Yeah, Like my $259 Zenesis and it's not the be all end all. Even owning that I still want a ProVari....

ETA: And the Zenesis is not the most expensive mod out there....
 
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