Why ProVari?

[Ravalstoney]

I looked too. It sure looks like a Zmax... I would really like to know if it is a Zmax--just like their Tornadoes were eGos. Nothing wrong with rebranding, many vendors do that; if you buy enough of anything you can have your logo added. But if it's a Zmax (Smoktech?), why do they claim it's UK/USA made??? Something isn't quite right here. They never claimed that Tornados were UK made, AFAIK.



Seriously...

They copy a Zmax and give it a name that sounds like ProVape? That's totally wicked. And disgusting.

I never liked that company, but this is a new low...

If its assembled in the US they can claim made in the US even if it is using the same chipset. Not saying it is the same ,like I said earlier until someone puts it on a oscope its anyone's guess. But with the same menu system down to function placement, voltage and wattage increments, amp limits and LED color no less it wouldn't be unreasonable or illogical to assume is the exact same thing in possibly a better built body.

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[tearose50]

Where does it say that this model it is made in US and or UK? We don't need to perpetuating false claims.

 

[Katya]

Where does it say that this model it is made in US and or UK? We don't need to perpetuating false claims.

OP mentioned it twice--in her OP and in post 144.

I have no idea--I'm just asking questions--couldn't find it on TW website, though.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I can't believe I came back to read this thread again. I can't believe someone starts this same thread twice a week or more. I can't believe people can't just buy whatever they want to buy and be happy with it. I can't believe there are so many people that think only what they like is any good.

If you think a Provari is too expensive, just don't buy one. How hard is that?

Word.

I feel the same way, sir.

 

[r77r7r]

Word.

I feel the same way, sir.

Doin OK so far RP?

 

[xjonquilx]

I owned a Zmax and a Vamo - so I have used it.
Same thing different body, it's a 33.3hz mod like the rest of them.

Don't get me wrong, these do actually deliver the goods but the quality of vape is not half as good, same thing with durability.
It's true that you can buy eight Vamo's for the price of a Provari - the Provari will outlast all eight, even with constant usage.

The cheaper devices end up being a false economy.

You own a Zmax and a Vamo... so you've tried the Vape-Pro? That doesn't even make sense. And I'm not trying to compare. Just pointing out it can't be lumped in with the $50 mods. You get what you pay for.

 

[Fury83]

I'm still trying to figure out what components the Vape-Pro uses. You guys keep on talking about these apvs like the Vamo and Zmax being noisy, but my Vape-Pro doesn't make any noise at all. Please stop saying it's the same as the Zmax. It's became blaringly obvious to me from these comments that it's not. And none of you even knew what it WAS before I mentioned it, yet you're now assuming it's just the same as the Vamo or Zmax, and it's not. :-/

Quick description of the Vape-Pro from my experience:

- completely QUIET operation
- much easier to understand menu system than the Vamo or Zmax... I read all the manuals before purchase to determine which device had the easier menu system, and the Vape-Pro won hands down... partially because it is capable of displaying more characters, partially because it uses easy to understand abbreviations for all the functions and settings
- accurately determines battery life and stops usage completely along with a flashing "low" display when the battery is too low to provide a consistent vape
- heavy duty steel construction, seamless molded body... there's no pieces to screw up or come off when you drop it, even the 510 part of the connector is recessed in to the body of the device itself so that can't even break, just your delivery system... the button itself is even steel. Cap to the battery screws in smoothly and never has had threading issues. And I have dropped it PLENTY of times on concrete to testify that it's pretty unbreakable. The only gripe I have is the part of the design that has instigated all those drops... it being heavy, smooth steel with vertical stripes in the design for the grips. Just slips right through my hands. Thus why I've started using a lanyard when it's in use. When I'm done, I put it in my pocket or purse. Really IMHO no matter what device you use you should take steps like using a lanyard while vaping to prevent dropping it. No matter how well made a device is, dropping makes its life span shorter. I know that just from being a tech... I don't have to be an expert on vaping devices to know that, it's just electronics in general.
- Just because it may look like a Zmax, doesn't mean it IS a Zmax. I could probably point out half a dozen APVs that look a like but actually have nothing in common with each other. If a body design is popular, it will be repeated, with the only differences being in the details like grip design. I really don't get how so many "experienced" members on this board can't seem to realize that, but I was easily able to tell the differences between the two when I was actually researching this purchase and weighing the Vape-Pro against cheaper devices... Zmax and Vamo included. I.E. I actually *justified* spending the extra $50 on the Vape-Pro by research alone... because through that research I found that it was indeed better built than the Zmax, Vamo, or any of the other $50 range mods. I didn't even need to know about the noises those devices make. Just looked up reviews, read all the manuals, and carefully studied the pictures of the devices. Just on studying the pictures alone, I could tell the Vape-Pro was a better build. Perhaps it's just the fact I am used to knowing what a quality build looks like from looking for the same kind of details that I look for in a laptop or cell phone's picture.
- The vape is smooth/consistent and I don't find a need for more power considering I never need to max out the volts or watts to get enough vapor. Right now I'm resting comfortably at 7.5 watts... normally I don't go above 9, and this is capable of going all the way up to 15 watts. When I first started out with it in fact the vape was SO powerful I had to start out using RMS instead of MEAN, even though I was already accustomed to a different 6 volt APV that I kept maxed out all the time. Now I've graduated to MEAN, and even then I don't have to max out the volts or watts to get a good vape.
- The features keep me happy. I can check the battery voltage, the ohms of the delivery system, change between v/w, change between RMS/MEAN, change the display to show the ohms of the delivery system, the battery power, or the output v/w depending on which I'm using. Probably most important to me about these features is the display is understandable enough to change these on the fly without referring to the manual.

Anything else you want to know... you can ask me or check the device out for yourself. No more snap judgments about it now though without any kind of research beyond a quick glimpse of the picture. I've looked in the Provari more than that... like reading the manual... BEFORE I started this thread. If I can put more thought in to considering the device you're using, you can do the same before making declarations about the device I'm using... or at least ask questions about it like I have been doing with the Provari before jumping to conclusions.

Seriously, all this putting down of the device I'm using when I did plenty of research on it prior to purchase, have been way happier with it than any of my previous APVs, and have enough experience with APVs to compare it to others.... when you haven't even done anything but seen a picture of it... it's downright insulting, and illogical to boot.

Well, here's the thing, it's the same board and even has the same menu system. I know because I read the manual for the vape-pro before I made my second post in this thread, so perhaps your snap judgment about me just looking a picture of it is a bit erroneous. It's not terribly accurate (with a single battery) once you get into high voltage/watts but that is not a concern if you are pleased with 7.5 watts. The rattlesnake noise depends on a lot of factors but it doesn't bother a lot of folks. The half dozen similar looking apv's all use the same board if they are vv/vw made in china.

As for the vape pro, the text in the menu system has changed but it's the same 8 option as the zmax's. Check out p.busardos view of the smok zmax v2. Some of the new devices with the board are locked in RMS. It's the same chip.

Now, here's the part that's becoming annoying. You are going on about doing your research prior to buying and so on, also about my apparent lack of research. Funny thing though, you can't go that route and then type this in the OP

Don't give me the "made in USA" excuse because the Vape-Pro is made in the USA also. The Vape-Pro already is marked up due to it's USA manufacturing, which can be seen when it is compared to the Evic in that it isn't nearly as advanced but still costs around the same as the Evic.

When it clearly states

"Manufactured in China under the authority of
Pillbox38 UK Ltd, Stancliffe Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, BB2 2QR"

in the manual for the device.

So if you want to make it like I am attacking you or your device, that's fine but it's not necessarily my intent. You wanted to know why one is more than the other...one's a custom design device built in america and the other is a rebranded version of a china device with what is basically an off the shelf chipset. If you are happy with it, that's really all that matters in the end.

I'm not sure if you want validation of your purchases or something else from this thread since the cost difference has been explained, the only validation needed is that you are happy with them and don't go back to smoking.

 

[xjonquilx]

yeah, once you get over the whole, "oh cool! my device has variable voltage AND variable wattage" thing, and it comes down to the fact that you're pretty much vaping at the same sweet spot regardless of voltage or wattage, it comes down to build quality, longevity, dependability, and customer service. try getting the vendor to repair your evic ring when it pops or your vamo when the center pin breaks (both good devices for the price, by the way...well, at least the vamo is), and you'll come up with the fact that you're going to need to buy another device to replace the broken one you bought because you didn't want to shell out the cash for the pro vari. but wait-before i get jumped on, let me say that it is clear that the provari is not the only big kid on the block anymore. there are several very good devices with cooler screens and cooler functions for a lot less money. and i recommend anyone new to vaping NOT run out and buy a provari. it's an investment in a permanent commitment to vaping that won't let you down if you drop it or tip it over. it's a friggin' tank. and if something goes wrong with it, it has a warranty, and if the warranty runs out, you can buy another warranty or pay a minimal price for repair, which you will get from a company that offers excellent service.

Exactly... which is another reason why I chose the device I did. It's sold by TW... and I've had nothing but good experiences with their customer service/tech support. They really stand behind the products they sell, even if they don't necessarily make them their selves. And because they stand behind what they sell, they make sure they don't sell junk because it would cost them HUGE in the long run.

 

[xjonquilx]

Just looked at some TW Vape pro blurb on Youtube - it's a Zmax, same menu system and button placement.
I think the body design does give it a "naughty ladies" boudoir "toy" look.

Had a few of these, all dead now of course - see my rants on Zmax thread.



Clever what TW did for the name of this device - Provape backwards -classy!

I understand the argument about the chipset. Just haven't experienced any of the issues that others are complaining with on other devices. No noise, and I've used cartomizers with it, both low and high resistance, on all kinds of settings. I like a lot of variety in my vape so I have got pretty much every type of delivery system with every type of resistance AND tons of different juice flavors. It seems to me if this is using the same chipset, it should at the very least make noise like the others do at SOME setting with SOME kind of delivery system... and it hasn't on ANY that I've tried. So thus... what is going on here?

 

[gthompson]

Exactly... which is another reason why I chose the device I did. It's sold by TW... and I've had nothing but good experiences with their customer service/tech support. They really stand behind the products they sell, even if they don't necessarily make them their selves. And because they stand behind what they sell, they make sure they don't sell junk because it would cost them HUGE in the long run.

I will have your back against anyone that doesn't think that whatever you like is what's best for you, but the above being the case, what was the point of this thread again?

 

[xjonquilx]

OP mentioned it twice--in her OP and in post 144.

I have no idea--I'm just asking questions--couldn't find it on TW website, though.

When it was introduced with the Odyssey tank, the kit was advertised as being an all American made kit. The post was on the main page, so it's not there any more. If anyone finds more info on it, would love to know more about it. I just remember what was said when it was a featured kit.

 

[xjonquilx]

Well, here's the thing, it's the same board and even has the same menu system. I know because I read the manual for the vape-pro before I made my second post in this thread, so perhaps your snap judgment about me just looking a picture of it is a bit erroneous. It's not terribly accurate (with a single battery) once you get into high voltage/watts but that is not a concern if you are pleased with 7.5 watts. The rattlesnake noise depends on a lot of factors but it doesn't bother a lot of folks. The half dozen similar looking apv's all use the same board if they are vv/vw made in china.

As for the vape pro, the text in the menu system has changed but it's the same 8 option as the zmax's. Check out p.busardos view of the smok zmax v2. Some of the new devices with the board are locked in RMS. It's the same chip.

Now, here's the part that's becoming annoying. You are going on about doing your research prior to buying and so on, also about my apparent lack of research. Funny thing though, you can't go that route and then type this in the OP



When it clearly states

"Manufactured in China under the authority of
Pillbox38 UK Ltd, Stancliffe Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, BB2 2QR"

in the manual for the device.

So if you want to make it like I am attacking you or your device, that's fine but it's not necessarily my intent. You wanted to know why one is more than the other...one's a custom design device built in america and the other is a rebranded version of a china device with what is basically an off the shelf chipset. If you are happy with it, that's really all that matters in the end.

I'm not sure if you want validation of your purchases or something else from this thread since the cost difference has been explained, the only validation needed is that you are happy with them and don't go back to smoking.

Look, I am basing my statements on the research I did months ago. I don't know if they've updated the Zmax or what, but it simply wasn't like that when I looked at the manual. Additionally, the information I got was from the main page of TW's website. The big bonus about the kit that they bragged was that they were both American made devices. Maybe they've changed that, I don't know. I really am getting to the point now where I don't care, either. You can argue all day that it does this and does that, but at the end of the day I'm the one that actually has it and uses it and can confirm whether it does those things or not. Sick of arguing over a device that I'm the only one that actually owns and has experience with. Besides, it's not what the thread is about anyways, and soon this device is going to get shelved as a backup to an Evic. So it doesn't even matter in the end. Just tired of seeing what I considered to be a decent and long lasting device get bashed by people that are disgruntled with the Zmax and Vamo when it's not in the same boat. And that device I mentioned earlier, my first VV device (Torpedo VVV) that is over TWO YEARS OLD AND STILL LIKE NEW, was completely China made itself, though I wouldn't say it was as high of a quality build in body as the current one is and probably would break if dropped enough. Thankfully, I take good care of my devices so I don't really need to be afraid of them breaking physically. And well... that one didn't make any noises either, and still doesn't. *shrug* Maybe I've just got all the luck, who knows.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

 

[Ravalstoney]

I think you may be misunderstanding what members are referring to when they mention the fact that it's noisy. Im not sure if your already aware of this either but there are 2 zmax's, segelei and smoktek just FYI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa5jYlV4mF8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Another member suggested a video to clarify, I believe this is a better one. It gives a comparison between both versions and explains the difference (or not so difference really) of both zmax's and illustrates this noise everyone keeps tasking about.

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[Fury83]

Look, I am basing my statements on the research I did months ago. I don't know if they've updated the Zmax or what, but it simply wasn't like that when I looked at the manual. Additionally, the information I got was from the main page of TW's website. The big bonus about the kit that they bragged was that they were both American made devices. Maybe they've changed that, I don't know. I really am getting to the point now where I don't care, either. You can argue all day that it does this and does that, but at the end of the day I'm the one that actually has it and uses it and can confirm whether it does those things or not. Sick of arguing over a device that I'm the only one that actually owns and has experience with. Besides, it's not what the thread is about anyways, and soon this device is going to get shelved as a backup to an Evic. So it doesn't even matter in the end. Just tired of seeing what I considered to be a decent and long lasting device get bashed by people that are disgruntled with the Zmax and Vamo when it's not in the same boat. And that device I mentioned earlier, my first VV device (Torpedo VVV) that is over TWO YEARS OLD AND STILL LIKE NEW, was completely China made itself, though I wouldn't say it was as high of a quality build in body as the current one is and probably would break if dropped enough. Thankfully, I take good care of my devices so I don't really need to be afraid of them breaking physically. And well... that one didn't make any noises either, and still doesn't. *shrug* Maybe I've just got all the luck, who knows.

Again, it's all fine with me. I buy things that are made in china too, I even have things that run on that chip. It's just about why it costs more for a provari, not even if you would like it better or it would be worth it to you. I would guess there are a great number of people for whom a provari would not be a great purchase, I'm not one to tell people they should spend money on something they don't want or need.

It's manufacturing cost vs value to the buyer. A Zmax costs less than a vape-pro because there is not branding, custom design or warranty from the reseller. Totally wicked had fork out some dough to have it redesigned and their logo put on it plus I am guessing the manufactoring costs are going to be more since it's not a standard design where it is being built. Maybe TW tests them for duds too. A provari is designed and made in america of more expensive steel (90% positive) with a more expensive coating, custom chip and things like better threading. So that's cost but value to you is subjective. If I am buying a china vv/vw the totally wicked name or design doesn't add value to me but it does to you, I'd just buy a zmax or SVD. Conversely, the things that make the provari worth the money for me may not mean anything to you. It's that simple.

Again though, if you have devices that make you happy then you're doing just fine. If they are cheaper than the ones that keep me happy, more power to you or actually more money saved.

 

[zapped]

You buy 8 Vamos for the price of one Vari.

But at the end of the year (or two if youre lucky) you will have NOTHING to show for it except for broken Pvs while the Provari will still be going strong.

From where I'm sitting, it looks as if you you don't mind throwing money away in favor of a cheaper initial cost.

I bought a Provari 'cause I'm in it for the long haul.

When I was in my teens and 20s I favored quantity over quality and chased every pair of legs in a skirt that looked my way. Truth be told, none of those relationships were very fulfilling.

So glad I moved past that and am married to a woman I love, respect and admire.

The same could easily be said in regards to mods as well.

 

[ebhomepc]

@op sorry of topic

OK I keep seeing the SVD mentioned as the same as the other mods I really don't know if it is but innokin as far as I know make there own stuff and from what I have read innokin are one of the best China brands not in the same class as vamo etc. Can any one show me the proof for this as the SVD does not have the same menu screen or options and all of innokin products seem a lot better quality then the other cheaper mods people swear by the MVP as a good solid well built long lasting mod.

EDIT OK I have just finished a live chat with innokin and they say they designed there functions and there manufacture made the custom innokin chip innokin are classed as much higher quality then the other Chinese mods companies. This is only what innokin admin told me.

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[Fishtec]

I'm going to throw my reason in why provari is my choice vaporiser couple of months ago I forgot my provari mini in the washing machine and only realised after I had taken my clothes out provari came out with the low battery light flashing took the battery out left it to dry day after I was vaping it like nothing had happened

 

[ebhomepc]

I'm going to throw my reason in why provari is my choice vaporiser couple of months ago I forgot my provari mini in the washing machine and only realised after I had taken my clothes out provari came out with the low battery light flashing took the battery out left it to dry day after I was vaping it like nothing had happened

Its defiantly nice for a mod to survive the washing machine but my wife as also washed her 2x 12usd egos in the washing machine and after leaving to dry for 2 days they work fine.


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[AnsonJames]

@op sorry of topic

OK I keep seeing the SVD mentioned as the same as the other mods I really don't know if it is but innokin as far as I know make there own stuff and from what I have read innokin are one of the best China brands not in the same class as vamo etc. Can any one show me the proof for this as the SVD does not have the same menu screen or options and all of innokin products seem a lot better quality then the other cheaper mods people swear by the MVP as a good solid well built long lasting mod.

EDIT OK I have just finished a live chat with innokin and they say they designed there functions and there manufacture made the custom innokin chip innokin are classed as much higher quality then the other Chinese mods companies. This is only what innokin admin told me.

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They would say that.
Another 33.3hz "rattlesnake" mod;


It's all about making money, so nothing custom about the chipset - probably coming from the same factory.

Volcano also made the claim that the Lavatube 2 was made in America when it's just a "hobbled" Vamo made in China.
The only device that TW sell that isn't a re-badged China product was the Odyssey, everything else is Chinese with a bumped up price to pay for their logo.

I wouldn't buy anything from them after what they did to the original UKvapers site and it's owner.
Then there was all that insanity about the UK eliquid "Illuminati" and the stuff about "false flag attacks".