Why ProVari?

[killjoyken]

Hold on a sec. I've already repeatedly acknowledged that the Provari is a good device, right from the start. It does everything as advertised, and it does it well. Do I need to say "The Provari is awesome" on every single post? And if I don't, that's "Provari rage"?


That was not Provari bashing. That was poking fun at Provari fanboys crying "victim" when, in reality, they're the ones bashing other products.


You're just being difficult. A manual transmission does have some advantages over an automatic because mechanical systems are orders of magnitude slower than electrical systems. And automatic also has advantages over manual.

Not so with VW vs VV.

Name just one advantage of VV over VW.

Why am I the only one that gets what Sector is getting at? Honestly, some of you guys are taking the Provari fanboi thing too far. We all know the Provari is king when it comes to build quality, durability, accuracy, and power delivery and we don't mind the simple display and menu interface or the lack of VW because we don't need it. He's not saying the Provari is bad, just that it could be better.

The truth is that if the Provari had BOTH VV and VW and still had the accuracy, build quality, etc, then it would be better because everyone would have the choice of VV or VW. If you don't like VW, then you wouldn't use it. And I for one wouldn't mind a nice screen like the eVic that I could check the battery capacity and atomizer resistance with one button press. I do without these features because the pros of the Provari outweigh the cons of the eVic, but to say that the Provari wouldn't be better with them isn't true.

BTW, current generation dual clutch transmissions like Porsche's PDK are better than traditional manual and automatic transmissions in every way. And anyone who argues against bacon is a terrorist.

 

[mostapha]

No No No NO No No NO No.

I'm the Ducati guy. Also a vegetarian. Also a professor of philosophy. Also a registered MMA fighter in 7 states. I don't want to get into ethics of the meat industry but I'd love to talk about bikes.

You don't have to. I get it. I just don't want to go vegetarian. At least there are farmers' markets around here.

Where do you teach?

And what style(s)/where? I've never been in a ring (for real), but I've sparred at little Fraternity events, usually joking about KM(me) vs. BJJ. They went about like you'd expect: I couldn't KO with pads and as soon as he got a takedown, I was just fighting to last 'till the bell.

If you want to get a nice solid started bike pick from any of the 650's out there (assuming you want a sports bike and not a chopper). You will outgrow a 250 in under a month. You should however, and I assume you do, have some experience riding, have a license, and have taken a few courses on emergency this that and the other thing.

Don't pay a lot for your first bike, you're going to drop it, and you're probably going to get hurt. I took my first, AND second bike down -- the second one went down at 75kph into a clock tower, still have the rash from that (oh, and dude, wear a helmet and full gear, seriously - its hot and lame sometimes but it'll save yer life). You can grab a used Japanese 650 for under 5 grand, just make sure the frame is straight and you're set. Milage is generally completely irrelevant. In regards to 650's - my list goes something like this, from best to worse:

Suzuki GSX-r
Kawasaki ZR600
Yamaha R6
Honda whatever.

The power/torque curve on the gixxer is the best hands down, while you will get a bit better stock suspension and handling off of the kawi. Remember that even a 650 will take you from 0-60 in under 3.5 seconds. Be safe and ride hard man. If you've got any more questions I have literally owned EVERY sports bike produced in the last 10 years, just holler.

Cool. That's what I was wondering, what I could get away with. And, yes, sport bike. My dream bike is either a Monster or a Classics series. I know I wouldn't be ready for that. I'm going to take another rider training course before I do it, of course. Most of my experience has been from road bikes. So, similar steering but no suspension, way less torque, much lower speeds, and much thinner tires. It really feels crazy to dive into a corner at 40 in tires that are narrower than a Povari, but it works. And at least they don't hydroplane.

A friend started on a gixxer 650 and loved it. And they are available naked, which seems like a plus to me (prettier).

In your opinion, it's not worth starting on a 250/500? I know I'd outgrow it quickly, but I keep getting different answers.

I was really hoping to see a drop in price on the provari just to keep things competitive. I guess they haven't seen that much of a drop in sales to make it worth their while?

Yeah. I'm sure a lot of people want that. I'd own a second already if they were $50 cheaper. Despite the complaining, it might just be a supply & demand thing. The B&Ms that carry them, usually charge even more than Provape's price, and they still sell them.

I bought a silver bullet kit about 4 years ago for around 100 bucks shipped I think? I wish I could say it was performing the way it did back then. Even with brand new 3100mAH batteries, and a fresh atty, am getting virtually nothing out of it. I would have to be really impressed to spend that much on a pv mech or not to drop that much on a single item again. Or maybe I have just had flukes and been unfortunate with the devices I have recieved? who knows, but that's my take on it.

What 3100mAh battery? I'm not aware of a high-drain IMR that big. I haven't had it that long, but my SB is working like a champ.

 

[Chikenbok]

250's are... fun for about 15 days. Then you realize that the honda civic driver next to you is having more fun. Get a 650 and spend the first month going in circles around your block, taking side roads, make sure you ride early in the Am or deep in the Pm to make sure no one else is on the road. Get REALLY comfortable and a 650 will treat you right. Just remember that sports bikes are most comfortable around the 80mph+ range (that's when they tuck down) so it might be weird at first riding around doing 20.

I'm top ranked in Aikido, Wing Chun, Savate, and Krav (trained in Japan for 2 years under a grand master - it was nuts). Nowadays most of my fights are primarily in Aikido and Wing Chun - they're unbelievably versatile and unmatched in speed and style.

I teach Social and Political/Ethics/Intro/19th Cent. German Idealism at Stony Brook University and Long Island University CW Post. I haven't quite finished my dissertation but it's a phenomenological psychology of contemporary post-modern capitalism and its effects on cognitive consciousness (to make it short: capitalism = depression).

And lastly, I'm no preachy vegetarian - people should and have the right to eat what they want. I'll never try and convince someone otherwise, so don't worry about that

 

[mostapha]

Awesome.

That's about what I'd guessed for hte tiny starter bikes. That sounds good except that I live in midtown/downtown atlanta. Outsie of my complex, there aren't that many side streets without going across a couple major roads, but it's only a couple blocks. And the complex is pretty big.

The speed bumps in my complex are of slight concern. On a 20lb road bike going 15mph, I'd just jump them. I'm not sure what to do on a 400lb motorcycle besides just post and maybe unweight the front.

 

[Chikenbok]

The speed bumps in my complex are of slight concern. On a 20lb road bike going 15mph, I'd just jump them. I'm not sure what to do on a 400lb motorcycle besides just post and maybe unweight the front.

Tune down your front suspension for a while? Be ready for excitement? I might have some friends in Atlanta I used to race with that might have a bike for sale if you'd like me to take a look.

Also just to stay on track, something something something something Provari something something.

To stay on real track, I once went down at 120mph on the highway (sideswiped by a COP car) broke a few ribs, ankle, foot, totalled my bike, and the provari in my pocket fired up perfectly. The carto on top didn't fair so well but the provari itself survived a motorcycle accident better than I did.

 

[mostapha]

Tune down your front suspension for a while? Be ready for excitement? I might have some friends in Atlanta I used to race with that might have a bike for sale if you'd like me to take a look.

Also just to stay on track, something something something something Provari something something.

To stay on real track, I once went down at 120mph on the highway (sideswiped by a COP car) broke a few ribs, ankle, foot, totalled my bike, and the provari in my pocket fired up perfectly. The carto on top didn't fair so well but the provari itself survived a motorcycle accident better than I did.

Nice. I'd appreciate that, but I'm not sure when it's going to happen. I was planning on doing a training course before I looked into it, and things keep getting in the way. The first time I decided "I'm doing this next weekend," we ended up having $7000 in medical bills before I could register. Now, I'm shopping for an engagement ring. I have the stone, at least, but I imagine settings aren't cheap.

Also, lol @ the provari. And yay for walking (hobbling?) away. I remember driving up to pick up a friend who sent his bike off the Dragon's Tail. Apparently, the girl in front of him took a weird line and he fixated on where he thought she was going to hit the guard rail. No serious injuries, but it was like a week 'till he figured out how to get the bike out of the ravine.

Side note, this is why I like Provari hater threads. You get to at people for a little while and then something interesting happens.

 

[Chikenbok]

Man, I once walked away from an accident that sounds similar to your friends, wrong line, eyes on the wrong place, pizza somehow involved, don't quite remember. Coming around a bend, back wheel lit up, bit the brake too hard, went down. I just got up, stood the bike up and waited for my friend to get the truck.

In the meantime an ambulance showed up while I was sitting on my bike and had to notify me that "your shoe is torn open and I can see the top of your foot bleeding through your sock, hell, is that bone sticking through it?"

Shock is a hell of a drug. Spent 2 days in the hospital with the good ole Road Rash vacuum.. the most painful sinful device ever invented for cleaning wounds.

 

[mostapha]

These stories are starting to scare me. I mean...not enough to not do it. I've seen or heard about very similar accidents from cyclists (side-swipes, going off cliffs, losing it on gravel, road rash, broken collar bones, etc.) and that still didn't stop me from riding in Atlanta traffic.

BTW, since we're completley off topic now, have you compared the Diver/Killer to the cheap smoktech clone? I tried one of those and liked it except when it came apart from trying to move the tank to another device. I'm debating picking up one of the nice ones.

 

[Chikenbok]

The Diver rips the Killer apart in every single aspect. There is no comparison, at least not in my book. All of my killers have been sold for Divers.

 

[EddardinWinter]

It's actually pretty simple and it is great.



Just not NY



I hope nobody thinks that. It's an enjoyable thing to do and the product is good but I still grab it at the supermarket too.

Yeah, I was just joshin', Fury. I am gonna try it next time though. It does sound like it would be cool.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

The Diver rips the Killer apart in every single aspect. There is no comparison, at least not in my book. All of my killers have been sold for Divers.

I have never tried a rebuildable, how much work is the Diver?

 

[Chikenbok]

I have never tried a rebuildable, how much work is the Diver?

5 Questions:

1. Can you wrap wire around a piece of silica
2. Can you push things into one another (hehehe)
3. Can you screw things into one another (hehehe)
4. For optimal results, can you wrap wire around other wire (unnecessary but sometimes a little nicer of a vape)
5. Can you put a cartomizer into a tank.

If you answered (Yes) to any of the above (three) questions, you can build a diver and vape your life away. You can even, if you so chose, head to 405 vapez and grab premade coils for the killer, trim the silica, and smack em into a diver. Todd recently did a review on the Diver that you can check out, its really unbelievably simple.

 

[Sector000]

Why am I the only one that gets what Sector is getting at? Honestly, some of you guys are taking the Provari fanboi thing too far. We all know the Provari is king when it comes to build quality, durability, accuracy, and power delivery and we don't mind the simple display and menu interface or the lack of VW because we don't need it. He's not saying the Provari is bad, just that it could be better.

No kidding. I've stated right from the start, and even repeated that several times. In fact, I even said it's the most accurate device I know of. I was hoping to set that aside so we can just talk about VW on its own merits.

Thanks for injecting some common sense here. I was beginnning to wonder... No one here understands the convenience of VW? Really? That's impossible. ...? They say they do, but then they make nonsensical arguments against it.

To recap... Of course, VW is not needed. Even VV is not needed. That's why unregulated devices are preferred by many. VV is good because it's convenient. VW is better because it's even more convenient. There. So simple even Provari fanboys can understand. I hope.

And I for one wouldn't mind a nice screen like the eVic that I could check the battery capacity and atomizer resistance with one button press. I do without these features because the pros of the Provari outweigh the cons of the eVic, but to say that the Provari wouldn't be better with them isn't true.

I've seen many people dismiss the eVic screen as just a "useless puff counter". (Not surprisingly, they're Provari fanboys.) In reality, the screen is very nice because it simultaneously display the voltage, resistance, and wattage. The only thing missing is the current. Without a doubt, the eVic has one of the best screens in any device. Unfortunately, it has very poor visibility in sunlight. But that still doesn't mean it's just a "useless puff counter". The fanboy nonsense needs to stop.

 

[Sector000]

it simultaneously display the voltage, resistance, and wattage.

I forgot to mention that it also displays the battery level at the same time. That's very convenient.

 

[Chikenbok]

Your arguments, which I am neither for nor against, would probably come off a bit less distasteful and cause less of a huff to some if you stopped sounding so angry and ended the pontification. Yelling at Provari users isn't going to fix anything.

What do we have so far?

Well: We have what we like. Things could be qualitatively better (not quantitatively), but right now us 'fanboys' are happy. Thank you for yelling at us.

 

[tnt56]

Why all the comparisons of ProVari to Evic? I just got done reading the user manual to the ProVari. What the heck is so special about it that it costs twice as much as the Evic or Vape-Pro????

- no variable wattage like the Evic & Vape-Pro
- minimal settings in comparison to both aforementioned devices
- two digit "alarm clock" interface... at least the Vape-Pro shows 3 digits... and the Evic has a full on readable display!
- NO PC MODE (I thought it had one like the Evic does?)

I know the rants about how sturdy it is, but I really find it hard to believe that it's any more sturdy than the Vape-Pro is... and the Vape-Pro is about $100 retail, less if you catch it on sale.

With no human readable display, minimal options in the settings, no ability change watts instead of volts, and no PC tricks like the Evic's MVR software... WHY THE HECK IS THIS DEVICE SO EXPENSIVE????

Don't give me the "made in USA" excuse because the Vape-Pro is made in the USA also. The Vape-Pro already is marked up due to it's USA manufacturing, which can be seen when it is compared to the Evic in that it isn't nearly as advanced but still costs around the same as the Evic.

From now on, when I see someone in this forum asking if the ProVari is worth the $$$, I'm just going to tell them straight up to grab a Vape-Pro instead and save some money AND gain some more features without compromising sturdy construction.

Unless someone here knows some good reasons why the ProVari's price is so high.... ???

WOW. I guess everyone should listen to you. Your such an expert on everything. Gee. And all this time I just thought I was happy with ALL THREE (3) OF MY PROVARI'S. I didn't know what I was missing until I read a post from someone that DOES NOT OWN ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sector000]

Why the are you leaving your hand on the shifter? L2Drive.

You are just being an . You're moving from fanboyism to extremism.

 

[Chikenbok]

You are just being an . You're moving from fanboyism to extremism.

Well no, he's right. As a certified member of NASA and BMWSCCA racing societies, if your hand is on the shifter you're doing it wrong. Yes, I have been racing, on the track, since I turned 19, in a GERMAN made vehicle that has gears to change speed AND help me break.

(Oh god, I'm involved now. Done for the night unless we start talking about bacon and motorcycles again)

 

[Sector000]

Anything worth saying has been said IMO. It's seems to be all saber rattling about now.

That's still no reason to trash a thread. It's call net etiquette. Or just good old fashion consideration.

 

[bfrie]

WOW. I guess everyone should listen to you. Your such an expert on everything. Gee. And all this time I just thought I was happy with ALL THREE (3) OF MY PROVARI'S. I didn't know what I was missing until I read a post from someone that DOES NOT OWN ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steak and portablellas also sounds nice

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