Why ProVari?

[Chikenbok]

I remember when they showed up in droves in school…man, those things were annoying. I think I gave up on mine after like a day. I'm sure it died alone and scared, which makes me happy AI isn't very advanced…I would feel bad looking back. Almost.

I used to take them from people and submerge them in water - it was some kind of weird way to watch them go out.. They were make weird noises and then slowly fade into the dark abyss. I also once had a friend's Furby -- It was stuck making this horrible screeching noise so I ripped the batteries out and threw it across the room -- it continued making the noise, with no batteries in it, for about 2 and a half hours... That was creepy.

Weird childhood I had.

 

[killjoyken]

Tamagochis were annoying, but Furbys were Satan's spawn. Kill it with fire!

 

[mostapha]

.... furbies. I wish the people who made gremlins had continued their lawsuit.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

As the proud owner of two Provari's, I would love to see someone make a Provari quality device, with their accuracy, repairs and warranty, with variable voltage, an eVic like display and usb interface, with eGo threading. They could charge whatever they want, and I would pay it, because nothing completely satisfies me that is currently available. Everything has tradeoffs. By the way, I completely understand and agree with the Sector000 posts. The fact that he couldn't get the Provari fanboys to agree with him is just his lack of experience on this website. See, he can be completely right about everything he said, and the Provarians will never agree with him, something that most of us already understand here at ECF. It's an argument that cannot be won...period. A strange game...the only winning move is not to play. I also like bacon.

 

[Sector000]

By the way, I completely understand and agree with the Sector000 posts. The fact that he couldn't get the Provari fanboys to agree with him is just his lack of experience on this website. See, he can be completely right about everything he said, and the Provarians will never agree with him, something that most of us already understand here at ECF.

Noted for future reference. Fanboys, by definition, don't reason.

I said variable power is good, almost everyone disagreed.
I said thermostats are good, at least one person disagreed.
I said automatic transmissions are at least sometimes convenient, at least two people disagreed.
I said watt, by definition, is a unit power power, one person disagreed.

No matter what I said, it was perceived as Provari bashing.

So I thought maybe some introductory electronics and algebra would settle it. You can't argue with the science and math, right? Wrong! I was accused of being "academic" and posting "college" stuff, as if those are bad things. I blame Sarah Palin. And bacons.

 

[bfrie]

Noted for future reference. Fanboys, by definition, don't reason.

I said variable power is good, almost everyone disagreed.
I said thermostats are good, at least one person disagreed.
I said automatic transmissions are at least sometimes convenient, at least two people disagreed.
I said watt, by definition, is a unit power power, one person disagreed.

No matter what I said, it was perceived as Provari bashing.

So I thought maybe some introductory electronics and algebra would settle it. You can't argue with the science and math, right? Wrong! I was accused of being "academic" and posting "college" stuff, as if those are bad things. I blame Sarah Palin. And bacons.

how dare you blame bacon. palin is ok

 

[cerver7]

how dare you blame bacon. palin is ok

Bacon rules all.

 

[EddardinWinter]

As the proud owner of two Provari's, I would love to see someone make a Provari quality device, with their accuracy, repairs and warranty, with variable voltage, an eVic like display and usb interface, with eGo threading. They could charge whatever they want, and I would pay it, because nothing completely satisfies me that is currently available. Everything has tradeoffs. By the way, I completely understand and agree with the Sector000 posts. The fact that he couldn't get the Provari fanboys to agree with him is just his lack of experience on this website. See, he can be completely right about everything he said, and the Provarians will never agree with him, something that most of us already understand here at ECF. It's an argument that cannot be won...period. A strange game...the only winning move is not to play. I also like bacon.

Excuse me Sir, but the proper term is The ProVarinati. We are many, we are One, Lumen Sees Totus!



Your quote of Joshua may very well save you from retribution.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Noted for future reference. Fanboys, by definition, don't reason.

I said variable power is good, almost everyone disagreed.
I said thermostats are good, at least one person disagreed.
I said automatic transmissions are at least sometimes convenient, at least two people disagreed.
I said watt, by definition, is a unit power power, one person disagreed.

No matter what I said, it was perceived as Provari bashing.

So I thought maybe some introductory electronics and algebra would settle it. You can't argue with the science and math, right? Wrong! I was accused of being "academic" and posting "college" stuff, as if those are bad things. I blame Sarah Palin. And bacons.

Man, you gotta let go of this stuff. You just can't stop bringing it up, can you?

I did not disagree with your premise that t-stats are good. Here are the exact quotes.

You said:

By that reasoning, all air conditioners have a great "regulator" built in: the AC plug or ON/OFF switch. No thermostats needed.

Just turn it on when it's too hot. Turn it off when it's too cold. Easy.

Continuing the AC analogy, VW would be a thermostat. VV would be a knob to control the duty cycle or even just a manual ON/OFF switch. They both do the same thing, but the thermostat is clearly better. Only on ECF will anyone argue otherwise.

So then I responded:

Sector, I agree with you that in principle VW is a nice deal. I believe that the Vamo's processor is so inaccurate that the value of it on that device is quite questionable. I believe the eVic is a bit more accurate at sensing ohms, and delivering a voltage as indicated. But even with the eVic, when your Volts delivered exceed the volts of the battery, it begins to break down and is not as accurate. So even though both of these mods have a nice feature that does have some distinct advantages, their execution is so sloppy that they end up getting outperformed by the simple elegance of the ProVari.

All the ProVari does is deliver the exact voltage it indicates, with a smooth and consistent voltage, from the first puff to the last of the battery. There is no comparison on vape quality.

SO to go back to your AC thermostat analogy, you said the one with the stat was VW, and the one with the on/off switch was VV. Let's tweak that a bit. The VW is an AC with a digital stat, with night set back, schedule mode, and all sorts of features. The VV is an old bimetallic strip type deals. A round stat with an indicator arrow for set point, and a second one indicating actual temperature. Now the digital stat wins hands-down, right?

But let's assume for a minute that the digital one is sometimes "off" as much as ten percent. Even worse, sometimes it is ten percent high, and sometimes six percent low. We don't know what it is gonna do! The old stat, well it is dead-on accurate. So while it lacks any of the features of the other stat, it keeps the space much more predictably comfortable. It does it day in, and day out, never changing a bit and doing what it does with simpler, but much more precise technology.
That, my friend, describes the current VV/VW situation. Great idea, that VW. But none of the mods that employ it (that I have used) have the basics done well enough to really take advantage of it.

After that reasonable response, you responded with this quirky rant....

Isn't that what I've been saying all along? I'm talking about just VW and VV. I'm not talking about any particular implementation. And VW is technically superior, more user friendly, and faster.

I have not said anything about a Provari vs Vamo vs eVic.

All I'm saying is a Provari with VW would be a better Provari.

An eVic without VW would be a worse eVic.

You know I'm right. I know you know that because you know at least some electronics. Most of the fanboys here obviously don't know much about this. And I bet you know it too. But you're just siding with the irrational and ignorant fanboys because you think I'm criticizing a Provari. You think I've committed heresy. What I want to know is why do you help persist the ignorance? Doesn't intellectual honesty count for something around here?

So I was a religious fanatic and intellectually dishonest. Just for my response. I am not sure I deserved that. And I thought I had posted here for the last time...sigh.

 

[Chikenbok]

*Opens beer and gets popcorn ready*

 

[Sector000]

I am not sure I deserved that.

You deserve a bacon.

 

[Katdarling]

*Opens beer and gets popcorn ready*

Might I join you with vino and pretzels?


Sector, I've been reading some of your posts with interest and understanding, but I'm really a bit stumped on "You deserve a bacon." ...

 

[Sector000]

Sector, I've been reading some of your posts with interest and understanding, but I'm really a bit stumped on "You deserve a bacon." ...

Everyone deserves a bacon.

I don't want to further argue this because I'm outnumbered here, and sound arguments don't matter. I would just be wasting my time. Billbeckusa is absolutely right.

 

[Katdarling]

I suppose I wonder why an argument is even necessary. We all have choices, and we all have the ability to research what we don't know, do know, or think we know. Why is it important to you to argue your points?

 

[Fury83]

Noted for future reference. Fanboys, by definition, don't reason.

I said variable power is good, almost everyone disagreed.
I said thermostats are good, at least one person disagreed.
I said automatic transmissions are at least sometimes convenient, at least two people disagreed.
I said watt, by definition, is a unit power power, one person disagreed.

No matter what I said, it was perceived as Provari bashing.

So I thought maybe some introductory electronics and algebra would settle it. You can't argue with the science and math, right? Wrong! I was accused of being "academic" and posting "college" stuff, as if those are bad things. I blame Sarah Palin. And bacons.

I must have missed some interesting parts of the thread.

 

[Chikenbok]

I suppose I wonder why an argument is even necessary. We all have choices, and we all have the ability to research what we don't know, do know, or think we know. Why is it important to you to argue your points?

Because this is the .......ned internet. Someone has to be right, at all times! Also, where's that wine at.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Excuse me Sir, but the proper term is The ProVarinati. We are many, we are One, Lumen Sees Totus!



Your quote of Joshua may very well save you from retribution.

Thank you for your understanding. By the way, I also agree with you that the simple accuracy and quality of the Provari trumps all other alternatives currently available. My point of agreement with Sector000 is that there exists the opportunity to create a better APV with additional features that some may find useful, perhaps preferable, as improvements to the current state of affairs. I personally can see no reason to bash anything available on the market today, particularly given where it started from (I got my first kit in 2009), I simply wish to encourage the best of the best manufacturers, like ProVape, to take our devices to the next level with the type of elegance that you mentioned. We can rebuild them, we have the technology...in spite of the fact they are best available alternative today, all things considered.

 

[Katdarling]

I've got a 97 bottle fridge full, Chiken... name your color and grape!

Thinking about getting this tip....




Whatcha think?

 

[Chikenbok]

I've got a 97 bottle fridge full, Chiken... name your color and grape!

Thinking about getting this tip....




Whatcha think?

I was just trying to find a nice couple of new drip tips - bizarre - Need something to match the Nemesis when she shows up on Monday
Looking for something nice and dark and not overly ornate. Was thinking of the tip up for tonight's bully tip. I do very much like that one you've posted if you ask me!

I must say if we're drinking wine, and I must pick, a bottle of Carlo Rossi (gallon bottle of course) from between the 2009-2010 years serve as the perfect accompaniment to my dry dry mouth.

 

[Katdarling]

Carolo Rossi? Vintage 2009 to '10? Sorry bud... no can do.

How bout a nice (nice=cheap) Merlot from Trader Joe's.