WISMEC Reuleaux RX200 TC

[Roadtrip635]

looks like they are basing the suit off of U.S. Patent No. 8,820,330...."power" regulated vaping devices....which means they should be going after about 90% of all regulated devices on the market. But they are going after the parent company of Wismec, who makes a DNA200, mod, and a more popular cheaper non dna version of the same mod...coincidence?

In the suit, they complain about similarities of devices that came out after there DNA20 and DNA30.....but if they were unhappy then, why did they decide to deal with them to produce the wismec dna200?
Why aren't they going after Provari, who makes wattage/power regulated devices?

I think it will be a hard case to pursue.....all of these companies have been making power regulated devices since it hit the market, before any patents were filed, let alone awarded.

It's not just the RX200 but all of Joyetech's family of companies even down to the lowly eLeaf iStick 10w is named as an "accused" model... LOL.

I'm no lawyer by any means, but reading through the documents they almost make it sound like they invented vaping. I was surprised to learn that Evolv only has 19 employees working on various DNA boards!
"Evolv and its inventor-owned manufacturing licensee employ a staff of 19 educated and skilled workers at their design, manufacturing, and assembly facilities in Ohio."

Here's a link to the filed documents
https://search.rpxcorp.com/litigation_documents/11891651

 

[pevinsghost]

Prior art is no longer a defense for patent cases.

That was a change in law that was recently passed. The us is now a "first to file" as opposed to a first to invent.

It doesn't matter how many other companies had power regulation or when, evolve has a patent, they can go after anyone they want.

That's why American regulated mods consist of evolve and a handful of companies that are too small to bother going after.

China's patent law is very different, and it's usually useless to go after a Chinese company for patent law infringement. You'll win a judgement you can never collect.

I'm curious what this is really about? Are they trying to get the precedent to pressure the little US developers like Apollo?

 

[haleysdadda]

You know to be honest I wondered how/why Wismec was going to do this when the RX came out! I mean what's the point? You know the cheaper one is going to sell better so why even bother coming out with one that is $100 more at all? Heck what about Evolve? Why can't they get the price of their boards down? I know one of the selling points I've heard is "Made in the USA by 19 people" (probably not entirely accurate, Please correct). How's that working for them? Are they saying there is no way to make anything affordable in the US? I'm not saying that their stuff needs to be as cheap as Chinese stuff. Heck I would pay $20-$50 more for an American made device with the Escribe software but being able to customize my mod just isn't worth $100 to me!

 

[fishwater]

I have an RX200 as well as a DNA 200 & just received my second DNA 200 mod if that tells you anything. The Evolv chip is smoother overall while vaping whether in power or TC. I bought the RX200 first & was all set to buy the DNA version but the 510 used on the Wismec device doesn't like certain atty's for TC, is that worth the extra $100? To me it was but that's not to say the RX200 is a bad mod, different strokes for different folks.

 

[smacksy]

You know to be honest I wondered how/why Wismec was going to do this when the RX came out! I mean what's the point? You know the cheaper one is going to sell better so why even bother coming out with one that is $100 more at all? Heck what about Evolve? Why can't they get the price of their boards down? I know one of the selling points I've heard is "Made in the USA by 19 people" (probably not entirely accurate, Please correct). How's that working for them? Are they saying there is no way to make anything affordable in the US? I'm not saying that their stuff needs to be as cheap as Chinese stuff. Heck I would pay $20-$50 more for an American made device with the Escribe software but being able to customize my mod just isn't worth $100 to me!

That reminds me of the kid working at my local vape shop..When I showed him my then new RX200 he scoffed and said how much better the DNA version is..told him I only paid $45 for my RX..they want $200 for the DNA version with all the needless whistles and bells.. Well he finally got his DNA version, and in a side by side comparison, my cheaper RX hit harder, faster ramp up time and didn't rip batt wrappers swapping out batts..the lip on the positive posts in his batt tray destroyed several batt wrappers while I watched him try to swap out batts, lol
But his mod quit firing while I was there, come to find out he blew the fuse ..A brand new $200 mod dead, not even a full week old...meantime I just kept blowin clouds, smilin... and reminded him I only paid $45 for this RX that is obviously better quality than your $200 mod that already has to be sent in for repairs. I smiled and walked out of his shop..lol

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[Roadtrip635]

It's not just about the RX200, they also sited all of the Joyetech wattage mods as being knockoffs. Cuboids, Evics, iSticks 10,20 etc, . They are basically claiming all those chip designs were stolen from them as well.

 

[roxynoodle]

It's not just about the RX200, they also sited all of the Joyetech wattage mods as being knockoffs. Cuboids, Evics, iSticks 10,20 etc, . They are basically claiming all those chip designs were stolen from them as well.

I think they had to. The only way this lawsuit was going to fly was to go after infringement on their patent for VW. The rx200 board has very little resemblance to the DNA200 board.

 

[deucesjack]

I have both. I bought the DNA first and I really liked the form factor so I bought the RX as a beater. Does the DNA vape better? Yes, but only after you get into the escribe software and tinker with it to customize it to your liking. Does it vape $100 better? Well, that's up to you because $100 has a different value to different people. If you like to customize and tinker around to perfect your vape then the DNA is for you. If your into crazy builds and TC then get the DNA. If you just buy premade coils and just want to pop them in and vape or you use strictly kathal in power mode then the RX is the way to go. Just my humble opinion. Two different mods for two different types of vapers.

 

[BillW50]

Well he finally got his DNA version, and in a side by side comparison, my cheaper RX hit harder, faster ramp up time and didn't rip batt wrappers swapping out batts..the lip on the positive posts in his batt tray destroyed several batt wrappers while I watched him try to swap out batts, lol

This is interesting... I have two RX200 and two DNA200 for one. And how most people remove the batteries out of their DNA is all wrong. I have found if you hold the positive end in place with your thumb, finger, or whatever. Then pull out the negative end only. Now you can remove the battery without damage.

RX hits harder? Hardly... you can change how the DNA hits totally. The RX200 you are stuck with whatever the firmware gives you. I personally don't like any preheat at all. So I can turn it off on the DNA, I can't with the RX200. The DNA200 is also dead on with the temperature. On the RX200, I have measured the temperature off by as much as 250°F using SS316L. That is a huge error. The RX200 with Ni200, I have seen it off by 150°F. That is because the RX200 assumes all wire TCR is linear. No wire has a linear TCR. That is why the RX200 sometimes isn't close to the temperature setting.

And that EScribe software is just wonderful. Want to have a puff counter? You can. Want to see the amps draw? You can. Want to see the battery voltages accurately? You can. What to see the resistance of your TC coil change as it heats up? You can. Want to see the room temperature? You can. Want to see the board temperature? Sure no problem. And tons more stuff like adjust how fast or slow the DNA200 charges. You can even turn off USB charging if you wanted too. It is truly a high performance vaping device. This is just the tip of the iceberg what the DNA can do better than the RX200.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I think they had to. The only way this lawsuit was going to fly was to go after infringement on their patent for VW. The rx200 board has very little resemblance to the DNA200 board.

That's exactly it, they are trying to prove that the VW technology was stolen from Evolv. I think the RX200 was just the straw that broke the camels back. I thought it was funny that they quoted a review about the RX200 done by Twisted420 where he said that the RX200 is basically the same as the Reuleaux DNA200.

 

[haleysdadda]

It's not just about the RX200, they also sited all of the Joyetech wattage mods as being knockoffs. Cuboids, Evics, iSticks 10,20 etc, . They are basically claiming all those chip designs were stolen from them as well.

Might as well go after every chipset that uses vw!

 

[BillW50]

The rx200 board has very little resemblance to the DNA200 board.

Actually I think the RX200 features are very close to a DNA40. If you know how to work one, the other is a no-brainer.

 

[fishwater]

This is interesting... I have two RX200 and two DNA200 for one. And how most people remove the batteries out of their DNA is all wrong. I have found if you hold the positive end in place with your thumb, finger, or whatever. Then pull out the negative end only. Now you can remove the battery without damage.

RX hits harder? Hardly... you can change how the DNA hits totally. The RX200 you are stuck with whatever the firmware gives you. I personally don't like any preheat at all. So I can turn it off on the DNA, I can't with the RX200. The DNA200 is also dead on with the temperature. On the RX200, I have measured the temperature off by as much as 250°F using SS316L. That is a huge error. The RX200 with Ni200, I have seen it off by 150°F. That is because the RX200 assumes all wire TCR is linear. No wire has a linear TCR. That is why the RX200 sometimes isn't close to the temperature setting.

And that EScribe software is just wonderful. Want to have a puff counter? You can. Want to see the amps draw? You can. Want to see the battery voltages accurately? You can. What to see the resistance of your TC coil change as it heats up? You can. Want to see the room temperature? You can. Want to see the board temperature? Sure no problem. And tons more stuff like adjust how fast or slow the DNA200 charges. You can even turn off USB charging if you wanted too. It is truly a high performance vaping device. This is just the tip of the iceberg what the DNA can do better than the RX200.

This x100 but again, if you're happy with the RX200 & it work's for you then perfect but it (unfortunately) does not perform the same vs the DNA. Some folks will take the time to go into e-scribe while other's won't. Originally it was the form factor of the RX200 that sold me & I still use it everyday so for that alone it is worth every penny of the $50 asking price but it's not comparable to a DNA200 device in performance.

 

[deucesjack]

This is interesting... I have two RX200 and two DNA200 for one. And how most people remove the batteries out of their DNA is all wrong. I have found if you hold the positive end in place with your thumb, finger, or whatever. Then pull out the negative end only. Now you can remove the battery without damage.

RX hits harder? Hardly... you can change how the DNA hits totally. The RX200 you are stuck with whatever the firmware gives you. I personally don't like any preheat at all. So I can turn it off on the DNA, I can't with the RX200. The DNA200 is also dead on with the temperature. On the RX200, I have measured the temperature off by as much as 250°F using SS316L. That is a huge error. The RX200 with Ni200, I have seen it off by 150°F. That is because the RX200 assumes all wire TCR is linear. No wire has a linear TCR. That is why the RX200 sometimes isn't close to the temperature setting.

And that EScribe software is just wonderful. Want to have a puff counter? You can. Want to see the amps draw? You can. Want to see the battery voltages accurately? You can. What to see the resistance of your TC coil change as it heats up? You can. Want to see the room temperature? You can. Want to see the board temperature? Sure no problem. And tons more stuff like adjust how fast or slow the DNA200 charges. You can even turn off USB charging if you wanted too. It is truly a high performance vaping device. This is just the tip of the iceberg what the DNA can do better than the RX200.

Agreed, to say the RX is the same and vapes just as well is really not true and disingenuous.

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[smacksy]

I have both. I bought the DNA first and I really liked the form factor so I bought the RX as a beater. Does the DNA vape better? Yes, but only after you get into the escribe software and tinker with it to customize it to your liking. Does it vape $100 better? Well, that's up to you because $100 has a different value to different people. If you like to customize and tinker around to perfect your vape then the DNA is for you. If your into crazy builds and TC then get the DNA. If you just buy premade coils and just want to pop them in and vape or you use strictly kathal in power mode then the RX is the way to go. Just my humble opinion.

You said the magic word, vape! I'm not into Temp Control or flavor with all the extra time using Escribe, hell I don't even own a computer.. I'm for staying tobacco free, and the RX does that very nicely..now I'm not into tanks with those expensive pre made coils like you suggested.. I'm a RTA kind of guy and found the Griffin to be the very best RTA I've ever owned..
Again, you assume alot as far as wires go.. Right now I'm using 24g Nichrome, but I have used fused Claptons, with great success, in power mode..Its also being affordable.. $200 vs $45 on a vape budget is important..to the extra cost if a programmable chip just isn't worth it..and I got to vape the DNA version at my local shop in TC mode.. I wasn't impressed, lol

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[smacksy]

This is interesting... I have two RX200 and two DNA200 for one. And how most people remove the batteries out of their DNA is all wrong. I have found if you hold the positive end in place with your thumb, finger, or whatever. Then pull out the negative end only. Now you can remove the battery without damage.

RX hits harder? Hardly... you can change how the DNA hits totally. The RX200 you are stuck with whatever the firmware gives you. I personally don't like any preheat at all. So I can turn it off on the DNA, I can't with the RX200. The DNA200 is also dead on with the temperature. On the RX200, I have measured the temperature off by as much as 250°F using SS316L. That is a huge error. The RX200 with Ni200, I have seen it off by 150°F. That is because the RX200 assumes all wire TCR is linear. No wire has a linear TCR. That is why the RX200 sometimes isn't close to the temperature setting.

And that EScribe software is just wonderful. Want to have a puff counter? You can. Want to see the amps draw? You can. Want to see the battery voltages accurately? You can. What to see the resistance of your TC coil change as it heats up? You can. Want to see the room temperature? You can. Want to see the board temperature? Sure no problem. And tons more stuff like adjust how fast or slow the DNA200 charges. You can even turn off USB charging if you wanted too. It is truly a high performance vaping device. This is just the tip of the iceberg what the DNA can do better than the RX200.

I'm happy for ya! Vape on brother! [emoji106]

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[rice721]

I'm almost tempted to buy another rx200, found a red black one for $35bucks shipped...

 

[smacksy]

I'm almost tempted to buy another rx200, found a red black one for $35bucks shipped...

Good price.. I'd go for it!

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[deucesjack]

You said the magic word, vape! I'm not into Temp Control or flavor with all the extra time using Escribe, hell I don't even own a computer.. I'm for staying tobacco free, and the RX does that very nicely..now I'm not into tanks with those expensive pre made coils like you suggested.. I'm a RTA kind of guy and found the Griffin to be the very best RTA I've ever owned..
Again, you assume alot as far as wires go.. Right now I'm using 24g Nichrome, but I have used fused Claptons, with great success, in power mode..Its also being affordable.. $200 vs $45 on a vape budget is important..to the extra cost if a programmable chip just isn't worth it..and I got to vape the DNA version at my local shop in TC mode.. I wasn't impressed, lol

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Again, I have both so I'm not knocking one vs the other. What I said was they are 2 different mods for different types of vapers. I hate to break it to you but again just trying the DNA at a vape shop without customizing it your liking on escribe is kind of like test driving a car without being able to adjust the seat and mirrors. You might like the car but the experience is going to be skewered because you can't get comfortable.

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[Roadtrip635]

I wonder if the lawsuit has any bearing to some of the price reductions I've seen on the DNA200 version. I saw recently someone had them for sale for $113.