Worried for the future of e-cigs

[bkkdaytrader]

i think many are getting overly paranoid over this-- yes..taxes will come.. further regulations will come..but usage will grow and the industry will prosper. the tobacco industry will need decades to transition itself away from tobacco products to ecig products--most of the 3rd world hardly have any exposure to ecigs--that is intentional and planned as the FDA and the BT lobby has extraordinary influence over the WHO which largely dictates policy throughout the world. --the US is and will continue to be the world leader in ecig usage. the rest of the world will follow--but not before vested interests are allowed a soft landing so to speak. The road will be bumpy but tobacco usage will slowly die. Only my opinion of course.

 

[wonderboi77]

It's totally ban in where i am at...

 

[bkkdaytrader]

It's totally ban in where i am at...

yes I know---so is chewing gum... right?

 

[transversed]

There should be some regulation. I want to be sure that what I'm buying won't kill me. At the same time, I would hate for the flourishing ecosystem of APVs and accesories be shut down by the major tobacco company lobbyists in favor of gas station cigalikes. We just have to keep our representatives in check.

But, just like abortion, people will find a way. We have the technology, we can rebuild it!

 

[Myk]

You believe too much of what you are told. The people fueling your paranoia are the ones who are the threat. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Tobacco lobbyists? Tobacco crops??? Where do you think nicotine comes from??? NOBODY is worried about their tobacco crops because of ecigs.

The ones against ecigs are the anti-smokers. In their eyes you haven't quit because you didn't quit in a way that lines their pockets. You didn't quit in a way that would likely have you back to smoking within a year to further line their pockets with tobacco settlement money. The anti-smoking groups are owned by Big Pharma

Seriously, you pull out "moisture in the lungs"? Another ANTZ BS lie? So you don't really live in FL with high humidity? No hot showers or saunas where you live?

 

[Ohms Lawbreaker]

And now, a word from Our Sponsor ....

(Edit: Wow, way to go Mod! That was quick! Not even my dog will chase after Spam like that!)

 

[Charon]

LOL, and if I wanted cherry flavor I'd just eat a cherry.

So you're vaping plain VG, then?

 

[skoony]

first let me say nice commercial.
second,no one is marketing to children.
they are marketing to adults,and they use the time worn formula's that work.
its new,its nifty,and these pretty young woman using these will be yours if you use
our brand.
i am old enough to see through this,but it is what it is.
third,the magority of the products out there are quality products.
blu's,v2's,greensmoke's, over priced ,you bet ya.
but there very well made.dependable,easy to use and i think a great way to start.
a lot of people like and use them.even more move on to other products.
the whole idea is to get off the analogs any way.
and for sticks and stones.what a horrid web sight.
40 dollars for a 5 pack of what with i free estick.
whats an estick?absolutly no pictures or specs.
are you kidding us?
no one in there right mind would order any thing there.
regards
mike

addendum;after going over the site completely and and checking them on the wayback machine
i am now under the impression this is a scam sight.

 

[Myk]

Many of the posts in this thread have me worried about the future of ecigs. People parroting exactly what the ANTZ want them to say/believe.

 

[WakeUpDead]

Ok This is the same thing that America has done to the Hemp Plant for over 76+yrs. They will lie and misinform the public to the point of inducing widespread fear, a fear of the bogie man, this time its us, you and me and the vaping devices we use.

This is so sad to see since this hobby/habit or just love of vaping has removed deadly tobacco products from our all of our lives. Its sad because its the same thing that has happened over and over again to me as a legalization activist. After years and years of fighting and working very hard they just now have broken through the wall of prohibition, yet still there is only small sections of light shining through. Even today we have some states where people are not active and dont fight the lies and corruption against them, look how many states still have no movement to legalize at all.

Im from this world of activism and I have seen both sides of it, from a strong group of activists winning their fight, like in WA legalizing or the long dull life of no group or supporters in states like Ohio, KY, TN or VA, that still live in the dark ages of prohibition. From all the time and effort I have spent on that issue I find myself now gearing up for a second fight to keep the right to Vape. I believe we can end this and jump in front of this growing effort to destroy the vaping community and stop the lies dead in their tracks.

I can go into many ways we can head this thing off at the pass but the main thing that will stop this and end any fight is us, the vaping community, you and me, standing up and making the truth and our story heard. We have to speak up and educate people, we have to tell our story and get the truth out, how vaping saves lives. This is the key in any activist movement, supporters in numbers speaking out. Dont think for one second that this will all blow over or will my one voice count against all this, we all have to stand and fight or we all will loose in the end.

I have spent 25+ years in the reform movement, debunking the lies and misinformation, educating my fellow citizens to remove the fear they have been programmed to have about a plant. We are so far ahead of the game when it comes to fighting for vaping rights I just worry too many will think that it could never get that bad. Im sure in 1937 a few friends were sitting on their front porch firing up a joint, I bet they had no clue or would have never thought anyone would make a plant illegal let alone that it would stay that way for generations! I fear only that we will miss our chance to stop this before it starts and then its a fight uphill against laws that are in place. We have to get active and get active now, all of us, period!

 

[Mark Howard]

Now Utah has proposed a bill to ban ALL ecig related online sales into the state. UT was one of the first to ban it in public places and continues to push legislation to pander to the perceptions of the uneducated zealots that run this place, rather than research or educate.

 

[Mark Howard]

I came back from out of state with my new PV having switched over before I got back from my trip.

When I returned to Utah, first thing I head about was all this horrible legislation and terrible press that vaping is getting. I thought wow, this is the best thing that ever happened to me, what if they take it away? So I really get your concerns. Next thing I did was start writing letters to let our elected officials know why they were being foolish and reckless with this oppressive legislation. They will keep hearing from me until they finally "get" it.

I don't believe that big tobacco will end e-cigs, I think they will try to acquire it - they're already doing that. And that will be a problem because I think then we will be seeing all kinds of additives in the juice to aggressively hook people on it just like they did with tobacco, and there will be lies and deception.

Personally I hope they will regulate manufacturing of the devices and juices. There should be standards and sanitation requirements - I believe that's coming.

My biggest worry is that it will get taxed because the government likes its tobacco revenue. If people are quitting or cutting back on smoking, the states will enact taxes (I'm guessing on the eLiquid). That's when I will start doing DIY

I really don't think e-cigs/vaping is going to go away though.

Greetings fellow UT vaper! See my post above regarding a new push to ban ecigs in our state.

 

[yzer]

Looks like nicotine isn't the only thing some people want to vape.

 

[Ohms Lawbreaker]

Heard if you vape one part water with one part ice chips, it's really cool, man!

Gotta be careful with that kinda stuff around here. With me it seeps into conversations unintentionally from time to time but I think it makes the Mods nervous unless very brief and buried in obfuscation. Can always just say you're a fan of Cheech & Chong!

 

[jpargana]

Sorry, but I beg to differ... the real problem with most e-cig companies is that they are selling a product that is actually effective at keeping people off tobacco. The e-cig is being a victim of it's own sucess.

Those "cheap" devices you were talking? Well, they're the ones that will likely fail most vapers, and make them return to vaping. NOT by coincidence, it is EXACTLY those kind of devices (and those alone) that would be allowed in the European market, under the new TPD. Those new 'normalized' devices would be sold by BT. (In fact, if you look closely at the restrictions under the new Directive, and then at what BT is about to offer, you must wonder if this was not pre-arranged to give the e-cig market directly in BT's hands!)

Those "cheap" devices are of no concern to the interested players, because they KNOW they're not that effective. Smokers will buy them, get a bad rep about ALL e-cigs in general, and simply return to smoking. That's why they will be allowed, under the control of BT, of course.

The e-cigs that REALLY work (2nd and 3rd generation), those that ACTUALLy pose a threat, are about to be banned. It is those that keep the interested parties very worried...


About your 'flavours argument', I wont get to that again. If you wish, read my previous post #37.

 

[LoriVanPelt]

i understand your concern however... i do not plan to dwell on that and i have joined many PRO-VAPING groups that keep me informed of directions and legislation for this... and that is where i put my energies.. this site is FANTASTIC for keeping us updated on current events surrounding the industry

 

[sharmon55]

Thank you for that link, I have been wanting to join groups, lists etc. to keep abreast of what is happening.

 

[sharmon55]

Yes Inhaling moisture into the lungs is very beneficial IMO. It helps to loosen and expel things that need to be removed. That is why people use vaporizers to put moisture in our homes, I use a large one all winter long to replace what the heat takes away. nebulizers which you inhale the same way as ecig vapor, straight into the lungs to loosen and sooth the gunk we can't seem to cough up. Along with meds like musinex that help to get moisture into the lungs. Inhalers, which I have heard uses PG as a carrier for the med, to shrink the bronchial passages. As a 43 yr smoker I have used these things many times and they have saved me during many bouts of bronchitis, pneumonia etc. over the years.

 

[sharmon55]

I believe Big tobacco doesn't like the and the cut back in sales, of course they to could start companies like all the others that are now selling eliquids. But the government are the real losers every time someone switches to e-cigs and stops smoking. they finally have smokers where they want them, hooked on a product that they now have a constant income from. if they don't regulate and tax eliquids they lose money with every person who stops smoking. Are they going to stand for that after finally getting their pay off from the smokers? I don't think they will stop at just e-liquids if they can also tax any devices used as the delivery system. Them going after e-cigs, IMO, proves they don't want people to stop smoking cigarettes, they aren't concerned about smokers health, they want the money.

 

[sharmon55]

What are some of the best groups to join to help fight bans regulations and taxes.?