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IMHO there should seriously be a spay/neuter program for humans, too many who shouldn't be having them are.

I have been saying privately to people I am friends with that I believe that if you are on welfare that you should be on birth control of some sort so you don't keep having more children you can not feed and clothe. Highly politically incorrect but it is how I feel. I also believe that the adoption laws should be loosened up so that families can adopt instead of all the fertility drugs that are having women like Octomom out there having litters of children. Those doctors and fertility centers should be prosecuted and the people should be in jail doing hard labor (pun intended).
 
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I have been saying privately to people I am friends with that I believe that if you are on welfare that you should be on birth control of some sort so you don't keep having more children you can not feed and clothe. Highly politically incorrect but it is how I feel. I also believe that the adoption laws should be loosened up so that families can adopt instead of all the fertility drugs that are having women like Octomom out there having litters of children. Those doctors and fertility centers should be prosecuted and the people should be in jail doing hard labor (pun intended).

I agree with you. It's absolutely frightening how many women are "baby factories" these days, just to get out of earning a living by working for what money they get.

The worst of it is, in this country, the more children you have, the easier it is to get tax credits to raise them. And a lot of the time, the money's not used to take care of the kids, but to support the parents' alcohol and drug addictions.
 

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One of the kids in my extended family decided it was time to start a family. She is 24 or 25 and married for just about a year. Did not get pregnant right away so went to the doctor and did the fertility thing. I think invitro too. Anyways pregnant with 3, lost one and had twins. Guess who takes care of them whenever she wants to go out or go shopping? Grandma. Guess who pays for half the stuff - you got it, Grandma.

I do not get it. I wonder if her insurance paid the multiple thousands of dollars for her to have the ability to do this. Why? I could see if she was in her mid 30s and had been trying for years. Instant gratification and no consequences for actions. But my 82 year old MIL can not take a chemo pill that is readily available because her Medicare and supplemental insurance will not pay for it. So she has to drive 25 miles once a week to the hospital to have a 4 hour infusion process for her chemo. I find this infuriating and very wrong.
 

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I agree with that but I take it quite a ways farther, I believe there should be basic intelligence testing to make sure the person has the necessary tools to raise children. I don't mean IQ tests either because you don't need to be a genius to adequately raise children but you do need to have some basic instincts and obviously many don't anymore. You can't get much more politically incorrect than that. lol A lot of these people can't take care of themselves much less raise children.

I agree with you. It's absolutely frightening how many women are "baby factories" these days, just to get out of earning a living by working for what money they get.

The worst of it is, in this country, the more children you have, the easier it is to get tax credits to raise them. And a lot of the time, the money's not used to take care of the kids, but to support the parents' alcohol and drug addictions.
 

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And I will go another step farther. I believe a woman MUST name the father at the birth. And if she claims she does not know (there is more than one word for that type of woman) then paternity testing and naming and shaming of the men she slept with or lived with during a two or three month time span. The men should be tracked down to be financially partially responsible for their offspring. I recently read about a man (I think here in TN) bragging that he fathered something like 53 children and he was not supporting any of them. Interview on courthouse steps ended up on TV. That man should be neutered. And there must be a lot of stupid women out there.
 

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Fertility is not covered by insurance - not for years - don't know if Obama care changes that.

Then Grandma really wanted grandchildren Now. I know the parents of the twins don't have that kind of money. Geez. Lots I could say but I had better bite my tongue because it would not be flattering to Grandma. Too close a relative to open my mouth. Don't need to stick my foot in it.
 

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I have not seen that sticky. From how you word it, it makes no sense. Sounds like a crash and burn approach. Maybe exception was being taken to the discouragement of sub ohm stuff and the recommendation of a few solid newbie setups and vendors? Will have to go and read it.

One of the best things ECF has going for it, and one of its strongest attractions, is its vibrant, alive New Members Forum and the resident veterans that take the time to go and post there and educate the new members on important issues such as battery safety and other deal breaking topics. What a loss if that is being discouraged.

While I agree with you....apparently the boss of the new members thread does not mind if the noobs ask questions like that and get wrong answers which are passed on as gospel among them. There is a sticky at the top of the thread now encouraging more experienced users to NOT "hang out" in that thread for some obtuse reason. Personally I think that is a big mistake because you know what rolls downhill.
 

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Now that were getting into opinions ...

Gov't needs to stay out of the bedroom. Federal / state funds have never paid for fertility treatments. Obamacare is private insurance, ppl pay for what they get but it's not part of the core services required. I think a lot of ppl agree that if someone can't afford them, then why do they have them - so why are they trying to prevent access to basic birth control (which also has other medical benefits for hormonal disorders, etc)???

In all 50 states, if a woman or her child accepts state aid for housing / medical etc. The father MUST be named and the state will go after the father forever and ever and ever. There is a nationwide network to track down dead beat dads and they are worse than the IRS in their tenacity. They are not charged the Medicaid insurer's rate, but full rack rates. So if Medicaid paid $15, the full price might be $350 + highest allowable interest. I know here they've had multiple "sting" operations to attract deadbeat dads and it's nasty jailtime, which usually only racks up more debt.

I'm not sticking up for dead beat dads, but for some fairness. If the state (or whoever) only paid $15, then that's all they should pay. It shouldn't be a for profit enterprise to fund some other worthless agency. There should be some appeal rights and access to due process. A friend ended up on that list. He'd gotten divorced, sick, lost his business and by the time he pulled it together, his bill was a half million. We saw several attorneys and the cheapest was over $5k just to start an appeal. His only option was to keep skating. There was no way for him to own up to the debt. They (state) wanted one lump sum. Both his kids were over 25 too. They were only on Medicaid a couple of years and healthy. They tracked him across state lines using multiple sources including DMV.

I thought debtor prisons were illegal. I've since discovered that 'first offense' type 'crimes' (like a zoning violation) carry upwards of $2500 and if you can't pay, it's go to jail. Upon release prisoners have to pay for a lot of stuff in jail. Nickle and dime stuff that really adds up and I'm sure it's more (or should be more) than what was paid by the institution. Taxpayers pay $100k per year per prisoner. That's like double dipping. 1/4th of the US population is behind bars. Isn't that a little excessive? A parking ticket, zoning violation?

Some of this I know for a fact. If my grass is over 6" high, it could lead to a $2500 first offence fine that if I can't pay in one lump sum, I'll end up with jail time. I'm terrified of (blankity blank) zoning!!! If I do go to jail, the amount I owe will double and triple.

I think the "welfare queen" was Reagan's imagination. Food stamps - have you tried eating off $3/day? There's no housing programs. Section 8 died ten years ago. There's been large tent cities on the outskirts, out of sight, around every major city for decades. They rarely get national attention.

And then the sheriff's dept doesn't have the resources to investigate 4,000 sexual abuse crimes and CPS blows off 6,000 child abuse cases due to "lack of resources".

I have a lot more problem with a major health insurer bilking the gov't for tens of billions than I have with a handful of people gaming the system for a few thousand.
 

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While I agree with you....apparently the boss of the new members thread does not mind if the noobs ask questions like that and get wrong answers which are passed on as gospel among them. There is a sticky at the top of the thread now encouraging more experienced users to NOT "hang out" in that thread for some obtuse reason. Personally I think that is a big mistake because you know what rolls downhill.

That is scary. Some of the blog posts pointed out to me in the beginning were from users like badattitude and essential to my vaping knowledge and survival. It's way to overwhelming at first to sort out for newbs. I have to wonder what ECF is thinking?
 

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I understand what you're saying, Aikanae, but I don't fully agree with all of it. There's more than just "a handful gaming the system for a few thousand."

There are at least 7 residents in the building I live in (which houses 16 total) that are bilking the system, and getting away with it, while I slave at a part-time minimum wage job, and have taxes from my measly paycheque so that these individuals get their "benefit" cheque every month. Where's the justice in that??
 

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Well this isn't the same type of gout. Even the nurse made this mistake. It's not uric acid build up so diet doesn't have much effect. It's more of an immune disorder. The pulled fluid out of my knee to see if there were signs of infection when they identified the crystals and they really look like a whole bunch of needles stuck in the cartildge per pics on web. It's pretty distictive.

On the essential oils and aromatherapy oils/scents business: my personal opinion is that most of the people contemplating doing this have very little real knowledge of chemicals and reactions relating to them, biology, medicine, science or other knowledge that would lead to an assumption that the person may know a little about what they are attempting to put into their lungs. A comment from an op like 'well it is in air fresheners' or 'they use it in perfume' does not give me warm fuzzies regarding the person's competence to not kill themselves.

I tend to err on the side of 'don't do it' unless you are a chemist or doctor of pulmonology. Which 99% of the people posting are not. So I am a Debbie Downer on this type of experimentation.

Ewww... maybe I'm glad I don't hang out in the new members area. If I recall, you got out of there pretty quick too and came here because the advice was less contradictory and confusing. Maybe ECF wants new members to move into other areas ASAP vs. hanging out there??? I'm glad I've missed the Glade and Pledge posts.

I have talked to a few knowledable with aromatherapy oils, the kind that come in little dram sizes like our flavors and often made by the same companies - I was surprised to hear there's more to it than the word "oil" or not on the label. It doesn't mean I'm going to do anything, it just means my mind is a little more open with a lot more questions than answers.



 
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I understand what you're saying, Aikanae, but I don't fully agree with all of it. There's more than just "a handful gaming the system for a few thousand."

There are at least 7 residents in the building I live in (which houses 16 total) that are bilking the system, and getting away with it, while I slave at a part-time minimum wage job, and have taxes from my measly paycheque so that these individuals get their "benefit" cheque every month. Where's the justice in that??

Your also in a different system. It would be very difficult for someone to do here anymore. I've been in battles with Medicaid for 15 yrs now and used to monitor the atty cases. They were for $100-$800 and totaled apx 4 to 7 per year. I know contractors (insurance companies) were pocketing 10x's that as a conservative estimate. The entire state match ended up getting transferred back into the state general fund via transfers and discounts. And this is standard operating procedure for most state Medicaid programs. It's a federal money laundering program for insurers and states. That's why it's so blindingly stupid when states don't expand it so that all their deficit woes would be solved.

Your system is so different that I can't comment. Isn't there a hotline to report fraud?
 
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I went and read the sticky note on the New Members Forum. Looks like they are now wanting to use that Forum to weed out Scambots and Spam from ECF and not for what most people think of when you think of the new members forum. The second half of the sticky I do not fully understand the intention and purpose. I hope I am totally not getting it.

It is instructing experienced users to not post and lurk in New Members and to wait for threads to be moved to appropriate forums. In my mind that defeats the purpose of New Members Forum for the people who want to go back and help truly New Members with critical questions in their first days of vaping. How easy is it going to be for someone like me, with at least some experience to help someone choose a kit or maybe fix a leaky clearo or help figure out why an ego won't charge, if I am not to post there. This Forum is so large that I have a hard time finding threads that I want to post in if I do not post at once or subscribe to them. I get lost on here all the time. I do not get it.

LOX. Can you explain this to me. Am I totally misunderstanding this?

That is scary. Some of the blog posts pointed out to me in the beginning were from users like badattitude and essential to my vaping knowledge and survival. It's way to overwhelming at first to sort out for newbs. I have to wonder what ECF is thinking?
 
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