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I should go and read it before I guess what it is saying, right? Ok, I'm probably wrong then. Based on what you are saying, I'm guessing they may be moving threads into the rest of ECF if they go beyond new members. That may not be so bad. You'll have to wait until questions are asked in there respective areas. Newbies are always going to stand out no matter where they post. There's just no pride in learning.
I definitely hear what you are saying, Aik, in relation to the essential oils and aroma therapy type stuff. I think the trouble lies with the fact that the general population of ECF and the public in general does not have the knowledge, ability, or inclination to do the amount of research that would need to be done before inhaling those materials directly into your lungs in the quantity, force and with the added nicotine. Most people do not do the research that you, and I (to a much lesser extent) do. That is the danger. Another danger is the people working with these oils and aromatherapy scents that also do not have that knowledge or skill to obtain it. Much of their expertise is in a vastly different application that is not equal to the potential harm that could be caused.
There may be some wonderful vaping applications for those materials. Not enough research and knowledge is available yet to make that decision that it is a safe thing to do. I, like you, do not want to be the test subject on whether this newfangled substance is safe. Or because you can rub it on your skin or inhale it diffused through a room vaporizer it is safe to directly inhale into your lungs. Nope, not me.
There may be some wonderful vaping applications for those materials. Not enough research and knowledge is available yet to make that decision that it is a safe thing to do. I, like you, do not want to be the test subject on whether this newfangled substance is safe. Or because you can rub it on your skin or inhale it diffused through a room vaporizer it is safe to directly inhale into your lungs. Nope, not me.
Gang, I've been reading and trying to catch up on this thread, which is fabulous 
CONGRATS Karen on your Provari win! And Merry (belated) Christmas to everyone!
I am a newbie, been vaping and not-smoking for almost 2 months. I overdo things, it's a trademark of mine, and very tough to do now that I don't have the income I used to have. So I read here and read some more, and am trying to learn before I go, at least a little bit. I can't afford to make too many newbie mistakes
So far, I have 2 1100maH EGOs, 1 vv v3, and 1 MVP v2. And one off-brand proprietary EVOD-type device (but it's proprietary, so I'm just kind of waiting for it to die into permanent retirement). An assortment of toppers, including 1 miniProTank, several ProTank 2s, IClear16, and 2 IClear 30s. My ProTank2s have leaked horribly on me -- I think there are posts out there somewhere about what to do about that, but so far I'm just disgusted and have reverted to the IClears. I'm too new to understand drippers yet, so not into that. I'm experimenting with juices, no DIYs yet, just messing with brands and trying to ID maybe 6 or so faves. This steeping thing drives me nuts!
ANYWAY, here's where I need advice. I was delighted and fascinated by Karen's story of winning the Provari. Obviously the wise folks here think of the Provari as a premier device, and obviously too, it's expensive.
Could one or more of you be so kind as to simplify for the newcomer mind and explain the big advantage of the Provari, vs devices such as the ones I have above-listed. Is the main thing that it uses replaceable batteries?
CONGRATS Karen on your Provari win! And Merry (belated) Christmas to everyone!I am a newbie, been vaping and not-smoking for almost 2 months. I overdo things, it's a trademark of mine, and very tough to do now that I don't have the income I used to have. So I read here and read some more, and am trying to learn before I go, at least a little bit. I can't afford to make too many newbie mistakes
So far, I have 2 1100maH EGOs, 1 vv v3, and 1 MVP v2. And one off-brand proprietary EVOD-type device (but it's proprietary, so I'm just kind of waiting for it to die into permanent retirement). An assortment of toppers, including 1 miniProTank, several ProTank 2s, IClear16, and 2 IClear 30s. My ProTank2s have leaked horribly on me -- I think there are posts out there somewhere about what to do about that, but so far I'm just disgusted and have reverted to the IClears. I'm too new to understand drippers yet, so not into that. I'm experimenting with juices, no DIYs yet, just messing with brands and trying to ID maybe 6 or so faves. This steeping thing drives me nuts!
ANYWAY, here's where I need advice. I was delighted and fascinated by Karen's story of winning the Provari. Obviously the wise folks here think of the Provari as a premier device, and obviously too, it's expensive.
Could one or more of you be so kind as to simplify for the newcomer mind and explain the big advantage of the Provari, vs devices such as the ones I have above-listed. Is the main thing that it uses replaceable batteries?
Marla WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy to have you here, we love new vapors and are always willing to help you navigate through the raging river of info out there! While I did just win a Provari, I don't have experience with it yet, to describe the difference first hand, We are nothing but honest here, so, I would prefer one of the experienced Provari owners discuss it's merits.
I do have a Protank 2 with zero leaks, I wonder if the interior was tightened before the liquid was poured in?
it has so many pieces and they must be screwed together before using. Also there are o-rings that must be in just the right place. As you know, if you have read a lot here, I tried the I-16 today for the first time, I like that one and it gets better with more use.
Have you found any juices that you love? or even like a little? you will develop a flavor profile bakery, fruit, tobacco, etc...
stick around, ask questions, enjoy tonight's sock hop!
Happy to have you here, we love new vapors and are always willing to help you navigate through the raging river of info out there! While I did just win a Provari, I don't have experience with it yet, to describe the difference first hand, We are nothing but honest here, so, I would prefer one of the experienced Provari owners discuss it's merits.
I do have a Protank 2 with zero leaks, I wonder if the interior was tightened before the liquid was poured in?
it has so many pieces and they must be screwed together before using. Also there are o-rings that must be in just the right place. As you know, if you have read a lot here, I tried the I-16 today for the first time, I like that one and it gets better with more use.
Have you found any juices that you love? or even like a little? you will develop a flavor profile bakery, fruit, tobacco, etc...
stick around, ask questions, enjoy tonight's sock hop!
my family is on foodstamps, we get 4.37/day for a family of 3. section 8 is still around near me, they are sending people from chicago into my town and its driving up the crime rates. several murders this year from known problematic people who they just want out of chicago. the waiting list for section 8 housing (you choose your house rather than be put into a slum neighborhood where you need 3 deadbolts) is currently 3 years. 6 months ago the waiting list was 2.5 years. the waiting list for slum housing is 6 months, which is about how long it takes the police to bust a drug user and kick them out of the housing.
That's a tall order. All I can do is tell you why I made the choice to get a Provari within 3 months of vaping.
1. My budget is tight. Replacing equip every 6 mths or so was a financial drain because I was still smoking too. I hated the idea of disposable mods. A Provari can be repaired. It's a lifetime mod.
2. Provari's hold their resale value. I bought mine off the classifieds and I could probably sell it today for the same amount.
3. I was spending too much time researching every device I might be interested. I don't need another hobby. Provari was tried and true. I needed all my brain cells for other things.
4. At first I thought it would be easy and I'd stop smoking, then stop vaping in 6 months to a year. Yea, right. When I realized that wasn't going to happen it made sense to invest in a device that would last for the long haul.
5. I'm gadgeted out. I don't like learning new menu's, systems, "vape counter's" etc. I have no patience for that stuff and Provari doesn't have that stuff. Yeah!
6. I have the dropsies. Provari is built like a tank and it's probably bullet proof. At least more drop proof than most.
7. I promised myself my Provari would be the last mod I'd buy. I'm still laughing at that. Now I have to back up the first one of course.
8. Provari uses a different power modulation that's more expensive but delivers a consitant vape. That tends to be something ya "get" after you get one. It was something I was aware of though.
9. Nobody I know recognizes Provari as anything special outside of the vaping world and many in the vaping world are much more impressed by bigger shiny mechs. "Fanboy" comments are baseless.
10. Because most lists are ten items. It is easier to swap out batteries than to swap devices usually.
I hope this helps.
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I do not really like your post at all, but I am agreeing with you. I think it is a shame that the people who really need the assistance do not have access to it a lot of the time. But once you get a criminal or drug addict on assistance, it is almost impossible to get them off it so the truly needy get the assistance they need. I have no idea how to solve the problem but it seems to be widespread.
i have an Evic, i am a geek. i like messing with things and the idea that i can update the firmware and possibly hack it to do things as i want (or custom text in the menus.. eventually when i get around to it) was why i picked it, and was on sale. the evic has replaceable batteries so if my battery quits holding a charge i can just replace the battery instead of needing an entire new device.
what you have is fine, and you have some Variable voltage/Variable Wattage devices so you are pretty much set, just find the flavor/topper that you like and use to your hearts content. i like rebuilding and im working on getting my rebuildables to play with. i like bottom coil devices like the protank (i actually use a hypertank, pretty much a 5ml capacity protank, that uses protank coils) because i had issues with ce4's not staying saturated with liquid.
what you have is fine, and you have some Variable voltage/Variable Wattage devices so you are pretty much set, just find the flavor/topper that you like and use to your hearts content. i like rebuilding and im working on getting my rebuildables to play with. i like bottom coil devices like the protank (i actually use a hypertank, pretty much a 5ml capacity protank, that uses protank coils) because i had issues with ce4's not staying saturated with liquid.
Maria, welcome to the thread and I am truly happy that you are enjoying it. There is a lot of reading to do and I admire your zeal in trying to tackle such a large task. You sound like you made some pretty good choices in your devices and toppers for being new to vaping. Congratulations.
I just bought my first Provari Mini Christmas night. I do not have it yet. I started vaping with 2 1300mah Vision Spinners and a couple of Evods and Joye 510 attys that I drip juice into. I have since bought more spinners and an MVP2 last month. I am close to 6 months cigarette free, some days (or weeks) easier than others.
Aik pretty much covered the major reasons the Provari stands out as a top of the heap device. For me, I decided that I would be vaping for longer than I originally planned. I love my spinners and MVP2, but I do want one device that I can change the batteries in and that I know is going to be dependable and fixable for the long haul. It is made in the USA and is quite inexpensive to get repaired. I think even replacing the circuit board is only around $65 plus postage and a week's time.
Even the mods with replaceable batteries like the Vamo are toast once they die. There is no way to get them fixed from the mfg or where you bought it. I think there may be a place that does fix them, but the cost to do so is so high you might as well buy a new one. Spend the time reading the threads on the different mods and see what the current owners of the various devices are saying. You will find they all have their problems and great points. As with everything else.
Hope you hang around and visit with us. Take part in the conversations. If you read enough pages you can see that the discussions go all over the place which can be a lot of fun. But when one of us has a question or needs help, we are here for you and each other. That is the beauty of this thread.
I just bought my first Provari Mini Christmas night. I do not have it yet. I started vaping with 2 1300mah Vision Spinners and a couple of Evods and Joye 510 attys that I drip juice into. I have since bought more spinners and an MVP2 last month. I am close to 6 months cigarette free, some days (or weeks) easier than others.
Aik pretty much covered the major reasons the Provari stands out as a top of the heap device. For me, I decided that I would be vaping for longer than I originally planned. I love my spinners and MVP2, but I do want one device that I can change the batteries in and that I know is going to be dependable and fixable for the long haul. It is made in the USA and is quite inexpensive to get repaired. I think even replacing the circuit board is only around $65 plus postage and a week's time.
Even the mods with replaceable batteries like the Vamo are toast once they die. There is no way to get them fixed from the mfg or where you bought it. I think there may be a place that does fix them, but the cost to do so is so high you might as well buy a new one. Spend the time reading the threads on the different mods and see what the current owners of the various devices are saying. You will find they all have their problems and great points. As with everything else.
Hope you hang around and visit with us. Take part in the conversations. If you read enough pages you can see that the discussions go all over the place which can be a lot of fun. But when one of us has a question or needs help, we are here for you and each other. That is the beauty of this thread.
Why do you think it's widespread? Drug addicts and criminals are not eligible for all types of assistance. It's a "felony" to download a song and bonus points to create a wall street ponzi scheme. So the term "criminal" has lost it's impact anymore. There are probably more drug addicts in congress than there are at the food bank. It's an upside down world. There's a lot of myth building to get people to buy into policies that benefit the few wealthy. I am immediatley suspicious of anything demonizing the poor.
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Ignorance is bliss.
Whether you are talking about my ignorance or other's I agree with you. I reread my post and I did not express myself well there at all. I think I was trying to say that there is a lot of grey area out there. Just like a lot of doctors do not have a clue if vaping is safe or not and will tell a patient off the cuff that it is as dangerous or worse than smoking. And not bother to find out a little more about it before repeating that pronouncement to all patients that vape. Then again, most of their info on it is probably coming from the medical journals and those few studies that are flawed to start with.
I would love to see some real research and studies done on the more natural products. A lot of the Eastern Medicine and old remedies are better than some of these new pills for everything. A lot of the modern RX stuff is derived from the more natural sources I think anyways.
ok, I wasn't going to comment, but I am going to because I have seen so many sides of this issue, Criminals are not on welfare, families are. If someone in the family is involved in criminal activity, it affects the entire family including young children. If they are put in foster care, they are abused and unloved, thereby growing up to be problem adults. I am a former foster parent that hated the system fought against it and got screwed by them. I finally gave back the kids I had to their parents (unhappy that pedophile got his kids back) I never took any others again. They lie and tell you you will get to adopt them and then take them away from the only happy place they ever lived, now they prefer people in the business to take kids for $ over perspective parents. Or worse, they put them in "homes" warehoused till they reach 18 yrs of age with no one to have loved them.
As far as the other element of people discussed, they are emotionally wounded people that have turned to a numbing experience not much different than an alcoholic, I was always into sugar, so while not a problem for me, I kind of get it. The people I know that are in that element have the most miserable lives. They are like someone that wants to lose weight generally hate themselves for it, they want to lose "weight" too! If they have kids, while a huge part of me says take them away, remember, I desperately wanted children, the truth is not as many people are willing to take them as you might think, so they will either wind up warehoused somewhere, or worse in an abusive home. This is the reality. So, while I hate that in the state of Florida, right on the application for Department of Children and Families, people with kids are entitled to cash,and medical help. I can only get food, and while I hate to think someone with that problem can sell their food stamps away to get the money for supporting that problem. I would hope that you remember that some of them have children in the home and that they need the help and support of a community. It kind of helps the kids, someone knows where they are.
Having children to stay on the welfare program, might be what they do, I can't say for sure. these days it isn't as easy as it was years before. But for those that are already here, we have to be a little more careful of how we treat them or discuss them. There is no easy fix.
There are 100's of people living in the woods and surrounding area of Daytona. They get dropped off at the bus station here from other states after leaving Jails especially from Tennessee. I know this having worked in the hotel industry here. The jails offer them two or three places to go. I know because of the hotel area, that is who is working at many of the hotels on the beach. In MacDonald's, Burger King. and other fast food places here in this area. At the community college there is a club for the homeless that are attending college, many are former addicts that are trying to recover. I heard this while Nephew was waiting to go into the advisers office. This country doesn't like to admit the dirty little secret but these are the realities.
I was once like everyone else and thought the same things, I would like Sec 8, we have it here. I have a three year wait. But, families with kids come first. and I am ok with that, better than living in a hotel for them and certainly better than the woods. There but for the grace of god go I. If roommate decides he can't help me financially, I would have to join them.
I hope I don't offend or put people off that I consider my friends, but you have to really see it up close to get what it's about. I also have to go to many of the same food banks and places to obtain help, I have talked to these people, they are very much like you and I , they have the same hopes and dreams that we have, lost their way, they are trying to find help. Maybe not all of them, but a good
many.
Sorry this was long poor grammer or spelling. rant over and back to my Sock Hop last song!
As far as the other element of people discussed, they are emotionally wounded people that have turned to a numbing experience not much different than an alcoholic, I was always into sugar, so while not a problem for me, I kind of get it. The people I know that are in that element have the most miserable lives. They are like someone that wants to lose weight generally hate themselves for it, they want to lose "weight" too! If they have kids, while a huge part of me says take them away, remember, I desperately wanted children, the truth is not as many people are willing to take them as you might think, so they will either wind up warehoused somewhere, or worse in an abusive home. This is the reality. So, while I hate that in the state of Florida, right on the application for Department of Children and Families, people with kids are entitled to cash,and medical help. I can only get food, and while I hate to think someone with that problem can sell their food stamps away to get the money for supporting that problem. I would hope that you remember that some of them have children in the home and that they need the help and support of a community. It kind of helps the kids, someone knows where they are.
Having children to stay on the welfare program, might be what they do, I can't say for sure. these days it isn't as easy as it was years before. But for those that are already here, we have to be a little more careful of how we treat them or discuss them. There is no easy fix.
There are 100's of people living in the woods and surrounding area of Daytona. They get dropped off at the bus station here from other states after leaving Jails especially from Tennessee. I know this having worked in the hotel industry here. The jails offer them two or three places to go. I know because of the hotel area, that is who is working at many of the hotels on the beach. In MacDonald's, Burger King. and other fast food places here in this area. At the community college there is a club for the homeless that are attending college, many are former addicts that are trying to recover. I heard this while Nephew was waiting to go into the advisers office. This country doesn't like to admit the dirty little secret but these are the realities.
I was once like everyone else and thought the same things, I would like Sec 8, we have it here. I have a three year wait. But, families with kids come first. and I am ok with that, better than living in a hotel for them and certainly better than the woods. There but for the grace of god go I. If roommate decides he can't help me financially, I would have to join them.
I hope I don't offend or put people off that I consider my friends, but you have to really see it up close to get what it's about. I also have to go to many of the same food banks and places to obtain help, I have talked to these people, they are very much like you and I , they have the same hopes and dreams that we have, lost their way, they are trying to find help. Maybe not all of them, but a good
many.
Sorry this was long poor grammer or spelling. rant over and back to my Sock Hop last song!
I know it's a different system here, but the results are quite similar to those on your side of the border. Whether it's the guy who lives two doors away from me getting a disability cheque because he has emphysema, yet can work at roofing houses during the hottest of weather, for which he gets paid "under the table" so he can still get cheap rent here, or it's the mayor of London using taxpayers' dollars to pay for his daughter's wedding, it's still unjust and unfair. (Yes, there's a hotline, but they are so overworked, they can't get to every case they have before them.)
Welcome, Marla, to the wild and wonderful madhouse that we call our little piece of heaven on the forum! We do have some pretty lively discussions here, but we're also here to support and help everyone who comes by. Stay with us a while, won't you?
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