Diketones-free vendors

[Racehorse]

NicQuid claims on the website that they don't use diacetyl or custard notes.

I couldn't find anywhere on their website info about testing their e-liquids for diacetyl or ‘custard notes’ by a lab.

This is the diketone free vendor topic so let's be careful not to add vendors who cannot prove w/testing. As Dr. F. has said, test is the only way to know AP / diketone etc. levels.

At some point I may start a post within this topic where we can have a list so nobody has to read thru 14+ pages. But when this was started back in January, they were coming in drips and drabs and very few vendors were publishing testing unless certified with one of the industry orgs like ECTA, etc. and some of the orgs don't even specify they have to test.

I am not really interested in searching out needles in haystacks, and hopefully, by putting links to this topic around the forum when the diketone subject comes up, more users will post to it.

 

[Racehorse]

nm......

 

[Racehorse]

Or start with DIY if I can find companies that have diketones-free flavors and they have proofs.

Read the notes Linda makes on TPA/TFA. A diyer can actually learn a lot just by reading the notes.....because you will start to see a pattern of the ones that do have Diketones.......they are all of a certain taste and category.

 

[Racehorse]

VAPOR SHARK gets a big thank you. Now you can actually go to a storefront, and pull up lab tests on every brand of eliquid they carry.......and there are tons of brands.

I think this is really big progress.

You can peruse all sorts of different ejuice in one place, and pick out the ones without the offensive stuff we don't want to vape.

Nothing like this has been offered to us before. Things are looking up.

 

[taymac54]

I like that this thread is towards the top... but is there any way to clean this up and present it in a way that's more of a list and less of a discussion? Proven vendors with no diketones? A quick reference sort of situation?

 

[king of queens]

Found this on reddit so there could be more (40) potentially dangerous "things" in e-liquid? hmmm....

 

[Tooth Tamer]

Anyone know if fuzion vapor is tested?
Unicorn blood/narwhal blood?

 

[d.g.]

I just ordered 50mls of 50/50 pg/vg 6mg/ml nicotine base to see if I like unflavoured juice. If I do, it would be awesome.

 

[king of queens]

It's actually quite nice, a bit sweet if you have a 50/50. The VG is quite sweetish. It could only get a bit boring after a while, but one very very GOOD thing about base vape is the coils never ever gunk up. You can see that for yourself.

 

[Mike 586]

As far as I'm concerned, if a company isn't publishing test results, they don't deserve to be recognized as DC/AP free.

Most just seem to say "Hey we don't use_____. We only use the highest quality....blah blah blah.....trust us.". When I see those kinds of generic blurbs without a lab report to back it up, all I can think is "Yeah? OK. You're just full of crap." and I think they're just lying.

I just don't see why any company that's truly AC/DP free with the test results to back it up wouldn't publish those results and take advantage of the added faith it would give consumers in their products. The only reason I could see for a company to hide results is because the results aren't good and they're lying about them, particularly in this environment with so many of their peers getting caught lying about AC/DP with those generic "we don't us it. Honest" blurbs.

Thank you for the summary, Demi.

So far, we have maybe 5 vendors then, who can provide proof (tests) of all or at least a few diacetyl free eliquid? Or less than 5?

Dr. F's study came out about May of 2014, citing diacetyl as an avoidable inhalation risk........so out of the thousands of eliquid companies out there, we presently have a vendor list of 5 as of almost March 2015.

People keep asking for a list and I guess this will have to serve as the official one so far?

I'm working on compiling a list. I've got a few others on my computer at home, a couple of Canadian vendors and one or two manufacturers...

...but yeah, just how few are doing it is kinda pathetic.

 

[Racehorse]

Dr. F never named any vendor.

That is correct. Dr. F. wanted to help vapers and help the vaping industry. He donated a lot of his time in that study, by the way, something that many people are not aware of. When a few were attacking him shortly after the study, he expressed that he kept the costs of the study down by not taking any money for the protocol design, the writing of the study, or his effort, time and working hours.

I wanted to post this here because I think it shows he is not doing this for money.

As for not naming vendors:

Dr. Farsalinos: "There is no reason to mention the names. .......Our goal is for the industry to respond and solve the problem as a whole..."

..."We identified an unecessary hazard in e-cigarettes, which represents an avoidable risk. We are providing a realistic and easily implemented solution, which is proper testing at relevant limits of detection. We emphasize the fact that none should trust any verbal or personal reassurance that diacetyl is not present in the flavorings. Only proper testing and publication of the result can provide true and trustful information. Testing is not cost-prohibitive, and will make the e-cigarette liquids even safer than they currently are. I think the industry has a perfect opportunity to show responsibility and a good face. The vapers need it, and the regulators must see it. I am sure they will respond in an appropriate and responsible way..."
Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study | Page 8 | E-Cigarette Forum

(I bolded the last statement, as these statements were made back in July of 2014.

It is now July of 2015 that we are talking about it, and many vendors have not "responded appropriately" in the view of many vapers who wish to vape DAP-FREE.)

 

[king of queens]

I'm sending emails to every vendor I use, asking if they have lab results for AP/DA and if I can see them... see if I get an answer. If I do, I'll let all of you know.

 

[sd3614]

Does the ECF have a subforum or official combined list of these "safer vendors". Reading through pages of threads to find one here, three there etc. is a PITA.

Thanks folks!

 

[EKat]

VAPOR SHARK gets a big thank you. Now you can actually go to a storefront, and pull up lab tests on every brand of eliquid they carry.......and there are tons of brands.

I think this is really big progress.

You can peruse all sorts of different ejuice in one place, and pick out the ones without the offensive stuff we don't want to vape.

Nothing like this has been offered to us before. Things are looking up.

Do u have that link? I can't find it on their site . Thanks!

 

[Thundernoggin]

Do u have that link? I can't find it on their site . Thanks!

 

[Racehorse]

Do u have that link? I can't find it on their site . Thanks!

There is (was) no need to link to the tests.

EVERY ejuice on the vaporshark site, when you click on it, WILL have a copy of the test on that juice.


@Thundernoggin, I wasn't talking about the tests that were published on the blog.....I'm talkoing about VS being a "one stop shopping experience" in terms of being able to purchase ejuices from MANY different vendors they carry, and being able to pull up tests on every single one.

I emailed them about it, the owner believes that consumers should be able to see what they are intaking. I so agree. Especially those of us who do NOT want to inhale any DAPs.

 

[kates]

Totally Wicked posted all their results online last night (UK time) for flavours and e-juice.
Totally Wicked e-liquid Test Results Summary

 

[Mazinny]

Totally Wicked posted all their results online last night (UK time) for flavours and e-juice.
Totally Wicked e-liquid Test Results Summary

Thank you. Excellent info for European members.

 

[Racehorse]

Totally Wicked posted all their results online last night (UK time) for flavours and e-juice.
Totally Wicked e-liquid Test Results Summary

Was happy to see they also tested for Acetoin, in addition to AP DA

 

[Racehorse]

Interesting articles on DA-AP:

Toxicology of Diacetyl and 2,3 Pentanedione (AP, acetyl proprianol):
DA_PD_monograph.pdf - Google Drive

Confused about diacetyl? You should be | Vaping.com