75W Vaporesso TARGET 2 VTC Kit with Ceramic cCELL Coil
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Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
I am getting much better battery life with this battery, so I am pretty positive that battery was just at the end of its life. It's strange because it was one of a married pair and the other battery, which I am using now, is fine! I'm glad I found out about it by using it separately from the pair, though. I have no idea why it drained so fast.
I'm only at 2 tanks so far, will bring it to work so I can use it all day.
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I switched over to my ADV vanilla tobacco at work. Vananaberry is a really sweet dessert flavor.
No build-up of any gunk over just a few tanks. I ran a bit of paper towel around things and came up with nothing more than a little eliquid condensation (expected), no discoloration. Perhaps that's because I use a relatively clear liquid, and no more than 60% VG.
The liquid changeover was painless, a quick rinse with cold water, refill, a handful of pulls and I was getting clean VanTob. At 20W I'm getting excellent flavor (no surprise) and vapor, a just plain pleasant vape
My second tank left no discolored juice, so I bet it was the juice I used. It was Dutch Apple Pie, premixed, so I don't know how much sweetener was used in the mix. It is high VG, but all of my juices are. It's cool how easy it is to switch flavors, isn't it?
Colored doors would be so much fun!! If they do that, I might just have to get the pink one and order a black door for it.You've made some excellent points, my dear.I'll be sure to have Heaven Gifts relay them to Vaporesso and who brought them up.
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I did tell them about your "Colored Battery Doors" idea.
I cut my Kanthal cCell apart for the dissection, but I placed my Ni200 cCell in Everclear to let it soak about 1.5 days ago now. It's in a plastic 35mm film can, covered with PGA with the cap sealed. I've shaken it a few times, but haven't gone back to try to clear it any further yet. When I do, I'll let you know how it worked out.
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I vaped two tanks of my ADV VanTob, rinsed the tank body and put in DIY CarCapp. Once again I got a clean transition to the new DIY in just a couple puffs, and CarCapp has a pretty different flavor profile from VanTob.
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Best I can tell run time at 20W is about the same for this one as for my Cloupor mini+ at the same power level. Absolutely fine.
Nice
Best I can tell run time at 20W is about the same for this one as for my Cloupor mini+ at the same power level. Absolutely fine.
Hi,
It's possible that if the married pair of batteries were used in a Series Mod like the Sigelei 150W, one may have gone bad if they were not rotated every other time. I have mine marked as 1a and 2a for pair #1, with 1b and 2b on pair #2. Since I have two sets, and charge one while the other is in use, I'll put 1a & 2a in with 1a first and 2a upside down for the Series Stack. I'll do the same with pair #2. Then when I use pair #1 again, I put in 2a first with 1a upside down, and do the same with pair #2. After that, I start over with pair #1 and 1a in first.
Batteries in double-stack and triple-stack devices need to be rotated, because each one can be discharged differently while in Series. This is why a Balanced Charging System is so important for Series Lithium Polymer batteries. They cannot be easily taken out and charged separately, so the Balancer monitors each battery to make sure that all of them are charged properly and evenly.
This is not a problem when batteries are used in Parallel.
Stepping onto the soapbox now.
. . (not targeting you, Cool. Just giving general info while on the subject)It is also possible that one battery was less perfect than the other. Especially if they were anything other than Sony, LG, Samsung, Sanyo, or Panasonic. Companies like Efest (and others) do not actually manufacture their own batteries. They buy less perfect (more inferior) batteries from a battery manufacturer, take the manufacturer's wrapper off, put their own wrapper on, and usually exaggerate the Amp Rating and mAh Rating. There is no such thing as a 35 Amp 18650 battery, and certainly not 40 Amps and above. Any 18650 that is labeled higher than 30 Amps is using a Pulse rating. But a pulse rating is meant for uses of less than 1 second, and almost no one takes a puff that quickly. It is best to only use batteries with a known Continuous Amp rating and suggested Pulse rating.
Using a battery that is mislabeled, like Efest, can be dangerous when vaping at high Amps, especially when you start reaching the exaggerated Amp rating on the wrapper. For instance, the Purple Efest 3100mAh 20A 18650s are actually only 10 Amp Continuous Discharge batteries. They might actually be capable of 3100mAh when new, but battery testers with the correct equipment have tested them under various Amp loads and shown that they are 10 Amp batteries with somewhere around 2800mAh. Using these supposedly 20 Amp batteries in something like the Sigelei 150W at higher Wattages would heat them up quickly and damage them... possibly to the point of a catastrophic failure with continued use. It has been shown that most if not all Efest batteries have exaggerated ratings, as do many other brands that do not manufacture their own batteries.
It is important to know what you are buying, and buying an Efest battery from many eBay sites will get you an even more inferior battery that is labeled to look like an Efest, but isn't. While there are companies like AW that use only very high quality batteries and rewrap them, the 5 companies listed above actually manufacture their own batteries and rate them properly, so these are the main battery brands to trust. They will save you having to do the research to find out what is inside the wrapper, as long as you get them from a reputable source.
Please be Safe!!! Stepping off the soapbox now.
Back to your regularly scheduled vaping..
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Can you provide any reliable reference to back up those statements, because I believe that is myth and misinformation there? The position of a cell within a battery (a bank of cells) has absolutely no affect upon the drain of a cell (per battery university website, a pretty reliable source even if it is on the intertubes).
On the on the hand, once you got up on your soapbox you were spot on the mark.
It has been said by so many people, sites, and reviewers, again and again, that I accept it. Especially people who know and work with LiPo batteries in RC applications where cells are stacked in Series like to rant about the importance of using a good balancer. So I could leave it at that. But the same has been said about 18650s so many times by so many sources that I won't try to list them.
But since you asked, I looked one up that is pretty detailed...
Why is balancing used for lithium batteries only?
Nowhere in that article (nor anywhere else definitive that you will find), does it talk about the physical location of cells. Balanced charging has nothing to do with the order of the cells, VG. And which cell is in which order in a series just doesn't matter. What does matter is that the cells are the same quality and charged to equal levels (i.e., balanced charging).
Now, back to sintering.
It comes highly recommended by people who have actually consulted with battery experts. I am not a physicist, metallurgist, chemist, or battery expert. I have studied e-cig batteries for 3 years, and I adhere to the information I have found in my research. In this case, I am following what seems like good enough advice. Unless it can hurt something, then why not do it?
How about a link to your battery university research. I searched the site there and did not find mention of it, so I went elsewhere.
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I was just given this Vaporesso QC document to share with you . . .
1. Is Vaporesso a complete new entrant in this industry?
VAPORESSO comes from the thriving business of SMOORE, the earliest and largest manufacturer in the electronic cigarette industry, which was established in 2006. We are proud to have the strongest R&D force and top level manufacturing facility in vapor industry. Previously we are focusing on the OEM and ODM business of e-cig for the most of worlds’ top players including big tobacco companies.
2. How is cCELL technology developed?
We believe advancement on foundational technology especially on the heating element is the natural urge for the industry to evolve. In the past few years, we have invested heavily on the study of alternative vaporizing material and structural innovation, in order to achieve better vaping experience for the consumers. The ceramic material technology we were in cooperated research programme with top institutes on new material only matured in this year. We will only present technologies and products that can endure the most rigorous test in this industry and that can communicate the message of being a responsible manufacturer.
3. Does the cCELL contain any cotton at all?
The cCELL heating element is completely wickless. But there is a piece of organic cotton around outside of the ceramic, but not against the heating wire. It acts as a gasket to protect the ceramic and ensure a tight seal between the ceramic and the metal shell and prevent leakage. The heating process is happened within the ceramic cylinder.
4. What’s the structure of the cCELL?
The heating element is hard ceramic; it has a microporous structure so the juice works its way in through the pores to the wire. The heating wire is casted inside the ceramic with a sheet of organic cotton to sit between the hard ceramic and hard metal shell, which is used for anti-leakage. The ceramic coil maximizes the efficiency of e-liquid absorption and heating, it produce the same level of vapor at a lower wattage setting compared to most mainstream coils, with extra benefic of no spitting, no dry hit, self cleaning, better flavor and a longer lifecycle.
5、Does the ceramic puts off toxins at high temperatures?
The ceramic itself contain no hazardous chemical that can be approved by the components test for material safety. Just to clarify, there are thousands different type of ceramic, and our ceramic with unique formula is manufactured in the high temperature sintering process up to 1000。C; it is completely safe in high temperature conditions, will not release any toxins and particles. MSDS sheet from authoritative third party on our website can easily approve that. You can check it out on the following link: http://www.vaporesso.com/news/shownews.php?lang=en&id=10
6. Does the cCELL ceramic heating element will produce any dust during normal usage of vaping??
During the normal use the heating element is protected by hard metal shell, so it will not be cracked or dissolved into dust. The ceramic will stay coherent in normal use; it doesn't crumble unless subjected to force. And there's no force being applied when vaping.
7. What does self cleaning means?
When the coil is used at too high a wattage setting, it burnt and product burning taste, after the wattage is reset at appropriate setting, the burning state disappears and the misoperation will not affect the continued use of the coil.
8. What the recommended wattage setting for cCELL?
The best wattage to use cCELL is 35 watt, it produce best flavor and be able to produce huge vapor.
9. Does the cCELL coil compatible with any other tanks?
The cCELL is compatible with Triton tanks, Atlantis Tanks, iJust 2 Tanks, Vapeston Maganus, Freemax Starre, Anyvape Sega Sub Tank, Eleaf Melo, Sense Tech Herakles, Horizon Tech Arctic, etc.
1. Is Vaporesso a complete new entrant in this industry?
VAPORESSO comes from the thriving business of SMOORE, the earliest and largest manufacturer in the electronic cigarette industry, which was established in 2006. We are proud to have the strongest R&D force and top level manufacturing facility in vapor industry. Previously we are focusing on the OEM and ODM business of e-cig for the most of worlds’ top players including big tobacco companies.
2. How is cCELL technology developed?
We believe advancement on foundational technology especially on the heating element is the natural urge for the industry to evolve. In the past few years, we have invested heavily on the study of alternative vaporizing material and structural innovation, in order to achieve better vaping experience for the consumers. The ceramic material technology we were in cooperated research programme with top institutes on new material only matured in this year. We will only present technologies and products that can endure the most rigorous test in this industry and that can communicate the message of being a responsible manufacturer.
3. Does the cCELL contain any cotton at all?
The cCELL heating element is completely wickless. But there is a piece of organic cotton around outside of the ceramic, but not against the heating wire. It acts as a gasket to protect the ceramic and ensure a tight seal between the ceramic and the metal shell and prevent leakage. The heating process is happened within the ceramic cylinder.
4. What’s the structure of the cCELL?
The heating element is hard ceramic; it has a microporous structure so the juice works its way in through the pores to the wire. The heating wire is casted inside the ceramic with a sheet of organic cotton to sit between the hard ceramic and hard metal shell, which is used for anti-leakage. The ceramic coil maximizes the efficiency of e-liquid absorption and heating, it produce the same level of vapor at a lower wattage setting compared to most mainstream coils, with extra benefic of no spitting, no dry hit, self cleaning, better flavor and a longer lifecycle.
5、Does the ceramic puts off toxins at high temperatures?
The ceramic itself contain no hazardous chemical that can be approved by the components test for material safety. Just to clarify, there are thousands different type of ceramic, and our ceramic with unique formula is manufactured in the high temperature sintering process up to 1000。C; it is completely safe in high temperature conditions, will not release any toxins and particles. MSDS sheet from authoritative third party on our website can easily approve that. You can check it out on the following link: http://www.vaporesso.com/news/shownews.php?lang=en&id=10
6. Does the cCELL ceramic heating element will produce any dust during normal usage of vaping??
During the normal use the heating element is protected by hard metal shell, so it will not be cracked or dissolved into dust. The ceramic will stay coherent in normal use; it doesn't crumble unless subjected to force. And there's no force being applied when vaping.
7. What does self cleaning means?
When the coil is used at too high a wattage setting, it burnt and product burning taste, after the wattage is reset at appropriate setting, the burning state disappears and the misoperation will not affect the continued use of the coil.
8. What the recommended wattage setting for cCELL?
The best wattage to use cCELL is 35 watt, it produce best flavor and be able to produce huge vapor.
9. Does the cCELL coil compatible with any other tanks?
The cCELL is compatible with Triton tanks, Atlantis Tanks, iJust 2 Tanks, Vapeston Maganus, Freemax Starre, Anyvape Sega Sub Tank, Eleaf Melo, Sense Tech Herakles, Horizon Tech Arctic, etc.
Hi,
It's possible that if the married pair of batteries were used in a Series Mod like the Sigelei 150W, one may have gone bad if they were not rotated every other time. I have mine marked as 1a and 2a for pair #1, with 1b and 2b on pair #2. Since I have two sets, and charge one while the other is in use, I'll put 1a & 2a in with 1a first and 2a upside down for the Series Stack. I'll do the same with pair #2. Then when I use pair #1 again, I put in 2a first with 1a upside down, and do the same with pair #2. After that, I start over with pair #1 and 1a in first.
Batteries in double-stack and triple-stack devices need to be rotated, because each one can be discharged differently while in Series. This is why a Balanced Charging System is so important for Series Lithium Polymer batteries. They cannot be easily taken out and charged separately, so the Balancer monitors each battery to make sure that all of them are charged properly and evenly.
This is not a problem when batteries are used in Parallel.
Stepping onto the soapbox now.
It is also possible that one battery was less perfect than the other. Especially if they were anything other than Sony, LG, Samsung, Sanyo, or Panasonic. Companies like Efest (and others) do not actually manufacture their own batteries. They buy less perfect (more inferior) batteries from a battery manufacturer, take the manufacturer's wrapper off, put their own wrapper on, and usually exaggerate the Amp Rating and mAh Rating. There is no such thing as a 35 Amp 18650 battery, and certainly not 40 Amps and above. Any 18650 that is labeled higher than 30 Amps is using a Pulse rating. But a pulse rating is meant for uses of less than 1 second, and almost no one takes a puff that quickly. It is best to only use batteries with a known Continuous Amp rating and suggested Pulse rating.
Using a battery that is mislabeled, like Efest, can be dangerous when vaping at high Amps, especially when you start reaching the exaggerated Amp rating on the wrapper. For instance, the Purple Efest 3100mAh 20A 18650s are actually only 10 Amp Continuous Discharge batteries. They might actually be capable of 3100mAh when new, but battery testers with the correct equipment have tested them under various Amp loads and shown that they are 10 Amp batteries with somewhere around 2800mAh. Using these supposedly 20 Amp batteries in something like the Sigelei 150W at higher Wattages would heat them up quickly and damage them... possibly to the point of a catastrophic failure with continued use. It has been shown that most if not all Efest batteries have exaggerated ratings, as do many other brands that do not manufacture their own batteries.
It is important to know what you are buying, and buying an Efest battery from many eBay sites will get you an even more inferior battery that is labeled to look like an Efest, but isn't. While there are companies like AW that use only very high quality batteries and rewrap them, the 5 companies listed above actually manufacture their own batteries and rate them properly, so these are the main battery brands to trust. They will save you having to do the research to find out what is inside the wrapper, as long as you get them from a reputable source.
Please be Safe!!! Stepping off the soapbox now.
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Thanks, VG! I am very careful when I buy batteries to only buy them from reputable sources, and I only use Samsung, Sony, and LG but even so I am cautious about battery failure. I would MUCH rather sacrifice a battery that may not even be faulty than to take my chances and find out the hard way that it was defective. Thank you for the breakdown of why this is so important. I have heard way too many times about people buying re-wrapped batteries and finding out they are not even the same specs as they thought they were buying. That's scary.
NICE! They answered most of the questions I had. I am still a little bit unclear about the self-cleaning thing based on this, though. So this should be done between tank refills? I am all but finished with tank #3 and I will attempt self cleaning. I did just turn my wattage up to 35w to see how it performed and the vapor is definitely huge, lol. It's a warmer vape than I like, but I am also using the kanthal head (.87 ohms) so I am wondering if they are talking about the nickle head being best at 35w. Or it could just be my vaping style (cooler and better battery life). My juice does not taste burnt at all at 35w.
Huh? How is this self cleaning? Or am I missing something?
And what other coils are compatible with the Target tank?
They have to mean that Kanthal is best at 35W, because the Wattage cannot be controlled by you in TC Mode. At least not with the 75VTC Mod. With Ni200, the Wattage varies as need to maintain the Temperature. It can go as high as 75 Watts, but it won't stay there for more than about 1/8 of a second.
The document says "the burning state [after a too high a wattage setting] disappears and the misoperation will not affect the continued use of the coil." It does not imply that you need to do anything between juices.
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