Charlie noble has posted all of their test results too (sorry if it was mentioned before)
Diketones-free vendors
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They were not all diketone free though. One ( the ice cream one ) was very high in AP and a couple of others relatively high. Great that they posted the results though !
I'm sorry for being so blunt.......but that doesn't deserve a "medal" in my estimation.
(Any more than I think the tobacco companies deserved a medal when they (finally) revealed the contaminants in cigarettes.)
I consider it their RESPONSIBLITY to do so.
For myself, I'm gonna stick with what Dr. Farsalinos said that AP and DA have no place in eliquid. .
Its none of my beeswax what or how other people vape, or who sells it or who buys it.
By the way, can you explain the purpose of "extensive disclaimers"? In consumer liability, esp with products that are injested, and used as intended, disclaimers don't amount to a hill o' beans. I have no idea what purpose these disclaimers serve.
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BI can make a suggestion for those who are absolutely addicted to a certain ejuice, and feel that they would start smoking again without it. (we can't have that!)
You may certainly dilute your vendor eliquid by 30-50% with PG and VG........that way, you are getting way less flavoring.
You may certainly dilute your vendor eliquid by 30-50% with PG and VG........that way, you are getting way less flavoring.
Here's the link for Charlie Noble. You go to the juice you like and the link to the report is in the description. As someone else noted some have AP in them but at least you know what's in them now.
Charlie Noble E-Liquid Trading Company
Charlie Noble E-Liquid Trading Company
I didn't really mean to reply, but since I'm here. Don't order a custard from the Vapor Bar, because there's something funny about it. I have 60 mls and keep telling myself to fill the dripper and then I can have something else, but, OH, no its not good. If you like the juices they offer, then try, but the custards?
I do like some juices from Juice Mafia. I like a lot of them a lot. I like every one I've tried, although I find the Blueberry Dream a bit candish, despite the description.
I think the best thing to do is to make your own for the majority of your vaping and order a few bottles from these good vendors to keep you vaping between your DIY.
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Thanks, looks like there are several that are fine.
I read the NIOSH stuff on AP, as well as posts about it here in archives, it is also known as 2,3 Pentanedione. Same as vaping diacetyl, damage to lungs is same.
I dont think you have to quit vaping. Just find the right juices. Popcorn lung has never been found in smokers, and it's too early to tell for vapers, but as Dr. F. said, there is measured decline in lung function and often misdiagnosed as COPD.
So yeah, I do consider it an avoidable risk.
Angie, don't forget, there are creamy flavors that have been restructured with diketone free flavorings now. Have you been able to pin down the sinus issues to certain flavorings?
What drives me nuts in the topics about not vaping diketones is the responses you get, as if once you've been a dirty smoker, your aptitude for pursuing real health is fluxored, i.e. so many responses like : "you smoked for 20 years and now you are worried about diketones?"---- and then the usual memes about the toxic air, toxic water, toxic food and how dangerous driving is, ensue.
And always, the implication is that you are some kinda weirdo for wanting to vape w/out contaminants.
I'm glad you guys are here, because I seriously don't understand that attitude. And seeing you here makes me feel less alone.
No, I don't wear Hazmat Gloves to the grocery store. But I eat carefully, and thoughtfully, and i want to vape the same way. I gave up cigarettes to be healthier, not to be lied to by ejuiice vendors the same way I was lied to by the cigarette companies.
Popcorn lung isn't found in smokers because it's caused by inhaling flavorings. Smokers just inhale 4000 other crazy chemicals. (Boy, reading that and knowing I had smoked for years makes me sick, ya know?!?!?! UGH)
But no, you are not alone. Sure, 90% of us who vape smoked first and it was a stupid decision to ever smoke. But since we are all now ex smokers (woohoo!!!!) it only makes sense that we want to strive for a healthier life. Why anyone would question us or make us feel stupid for wanting risks taken out of our ejuice is crazy. But I get what you mean about the attitude.
I agree with you and I think anyone visiting this thread does too. There's nothing wrong questioning vendors about their juice or trying to push to get these known chemicals out of the juices. It just takes more people/more requests to get this accomplished.
I haven't been able to 100% pin down the sinus thing but it does happen every time I vape high VG. Not sure why, but it does. I've just decided to eliminate all custards, cinnamons and heavy bakery types. Which for me is sad because it's most of my ADV favorites. I'm going to stock pile unflavored and just go towards that route. Kinda boring but gives me a piece of mind.
Unflavored can always be made into flavored, once you pin down your sensitivities. How much VG can you vape % wise?
I know from reading your preferences on the samples swap that you don't like menthol, citrus, or superlight fruity. (I assume menthol also mean minty, right?)
My idea for you is once you get your VG/PG % pinned down to where your sinuses feel better, you might consider putting a few drops of some of these flavorings into your flavorless nic base.
Can you do any ethyl alcohol or do you not know yet?
Some ideas are these, just going by Linda's notes: at TPA/TFA, with not only no AP or DA, but also no acetoin or butyric acid and no triacetin either. AND no sulfites. (the more of these things missing, the less choices you have of course!). Just sayin', going by the notes, these seem the least offensive.
You could put a few drops into your flavorless
Cereals - almost all of them except Silly Rabbit which has triacetin
Banana Nut Bread
Fudge Brownie
Oatmeal Cookie
DX Bavarian Cream
*I left out DX Vanilla Cupcake due to having butryric acid*
French VAnilla Creme (no AP, etc.)
French Vanilla Flavor
Bubble Gum
Brown Sugar
Grape Candy
Gummy Candy (PG) Flavor (the one w/out triacetin)
Honey
Honeysuckle
Red Licorice
chocolate flavor
Double Chocolate (clear)
Vanilla Swirl(custard notes removed)
DX Hazelnut Flavor - same as their regular hazelnut except only PG and the flavoring (no acetoin or AP)
Black Tea
Espresso
Coffee Flavor
Almond Amaretto
Champagne Type Flavor
Mojito flavor
Mexican liqueur
Cola Cherry
Pina Colada
Grape Juice
Earl Grey Tea
Energy Drink
Horchata
a few more but I ran out of energy.
Custards w/out acetyl proprianol and other diketones are just not going to have the taste and mouth feel. Taht is why people continue to vape diketones.
i had to train myself toward a different kind of taste. That's okay, because just in case, I would not give up a lung for a custard vape. I don't think it's a fair trade LOL
Ya..and a big bummer bcoz I finally found a custard that I LOVED! But like you, bye, bye custard
I've been vaping for the past week mostly unflavored and actually, hasn't bothered me much not having flavor. Granted, I've rotated a few "safe" flavors so I don't get bored outta my mind but honestly, I've been ok with it!
Only way you can know if a juice is DA/AP free is to have it tested. Period. A lot of companies flat out LIE about this topic. Even the flavoring manufacturers have been caught lying.
Ya..and a big bummer bcoz I finally found a custard that I LOVED! But like you, bye, bye custard
Many of the vendors in this topic make creamy custardy vapes......it's just that they are using flavorings that have been fixed to have the diketones removed. Linda at TPA has several "DX" versions of flavorings. The mouth feel isn't the same is what people say.
I never vaped custards in the first place since I was reading about diketones here going way back to 2010. When I joined in 2012 I read all those posts by we2arecool and head in clouds Kurt, and many others in the DIY sections........So I never got habituated to those flavorings.
I was always clear about my vaping goals........I will not allow vaping to take from me what cigarettes did.
Seduce juice is another company that has thier juices tested, they actually post the results right on the juice pages. Some of the newer flavors dont have that, but I think thats cause they are new. I've read somewhere they want all thier juices tested by the end of the year, I just dont remember where.
Just adding links to this topic, as some of the vendors are not diketone free at this point in time, although that may change:
VaporShark E-Liquid Testing.pdf - Google Drive
Cloud9vaping pulls Five Pawns and other liquids from the shelf after testing. | E-Cigarette Forum
Nicoticket Testing Results | E-Cigarette Forum
Of note on the Cloud9 results: "Mystic Vapor very quicky began work on a reformulated version of their Vanilla Custard as soon as they were made aware of these results, and our withdrawal of the V1 product. The reformulated product has tested free of both Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl."
And remember:
VaporShark E-Liquid Testing.pdf - Google Drive
Cloud9vaping pulls Five Pawns and other liquids from the shelf after testing. | E-Cigarette Forum
Nicoticket Testing Results | E-Cigarette Forum
Of note on the Cloud9 results: "Mystic Vapor very quicky began work on a reformulated version of their Vanilla Custard as soon as they were made aware of these results, and our withdrawal of the V1 product. The reformulated product has tested free of both Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl."
And remember:
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