Ẁhere to get combustible tobacco cigarettes with no nicotine?

[sofarsogood]

The FDA is considering using it's exiisting authority to require that nicotine in cigarettes be reduced to non addictive levels. I stsopped smoking almost three years ago, not interested in using them, but there must be some dual users on the forum who would give them a try. So how do you get them?

I was a dual user for 6 weeks. Thinking back I wonder if access to zero nic cigarettes would have helped me make the transition. A good test group might be current dual users. If zero nic cigarettes could help people stop smoking why aren't they available already?

 

[Zakillah]

There has been research for genetically modified tobacco to eliminate the nic; but I have no idea if that ever really happened. Doesn't look like it, though; I have never heard of a nic free cigarette.

All that aside, nic free cigarettes are about the dumbest thing I can imagine...

 

[sofarsogood]

There has been research for genetically modified tobacco to eliminate the nic; but I have no idea if that ever really happened. Doesn't look like it, though; I have never heard of a nic free cigarette.

All that aside, nic free cigarettes are about the dumbest thing I can imagine...

They might not be dumb if you are trying to make the transition to vaping and they might not be dumb if you're trying to keep kids off smokiing and reduce smoking in general. There has been some research that found smokers using very low nic cigs ended up smoking less, not more. An easy way to learn more would be to make them available and let smokers experiment.

P.S. Apparently there are a number of ways to take the nic out of tobacco while preserving it's smoking qualities.

 

[Wheelin247]

So if they did away with the nic in analog cigs, you would go back to smoking?

I don't see why anybody that has gotten away from analogs would go back just because of the 0 nic. Nic isn't the only thing that's bad in analogs, that's just 1 or the 4,000+ chemicals that are in these cancer sticks. So if you take away 1 chemical your left with the other 3,099+ chemicals that make smoking analogs bad for your health.

Just getting rid of nicotine isn't gonna make me go back to smoking. The idea of going to a so-called 0 nic analog is just stupid if you ask me.


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[Foggy Road]

As a dual user myself (avg 1-2 hand rolled cigs per week) I would have absolutely no interest in a nic free combustible. What would be the point in removing the one least harmful least addictive and least evil substance in a combustible and leaving the deadly stuff behind. Nicotine is not the killer, combustion is!

This just serves to reaffirm the old mistaken assumption that nicotine is the deadly ingredient in combustibles. Just another foney attempt to delay the demise of BT?

 

[Bunnykiller]

no nic ciggies?? I wonder how well non Alcoholic booze well sell...
or maybe non flammable gasoline

 

[stols001]

You can get no nic cigarettes, at least you used to be able to but they're not made of tobacco, just a "random herb blend." They were disgusting, and they were combustible, but they're available now, you'd need a specialty cigar store and they might even need to order them for you.

They quickly convinced me of the disgustingness of smoking non-nic combustibles, I think I smoked about 3 of them. That said, I wasn't getting my nicotine/MAOI soup, just inhaling some rather flavorless smoke. I am unsure if there's a 0 nic tobacco product out there. I think you'd have to go to ultralights... but why would you? Curiosity? Hoping for a "safer" combustible? That doesn't exist in the BT planet though they are saying those IQOS things do, and it's a vape, but it does have nicotine in it. I would be scared, personally, of trying a BT product that might draw me away from vaping so I have no interest. Nor would I smoke 0 nic cigarettes, I already tried that experiment

Anna

 

[Rossum]

Why would anyone make "combustible tobacco cigarettes with no nicotine"?

FWIW, the Tobacco Control Act explicitly prevents the FDA from requiring nicotine levels to be reduced to zero.

 

[beckdg]

All the harmful side effects.

None of the guilty pleasure.

I wonder if BT would still add a slew of chemicals and make them addictive anyway....

Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries

 

[Wheelin247]

no nic ciggies?? I wonder how well non Alcoholic booze well sell...
or maybe non flammable gasoline

They already have non alcoholic beer. Must not sell very well cause I'm assuming you haven't heard of it. You may know or heard the name O'Doul's. It's an Anheuser Busch product that is a non alcoholic malt beverage. Never had one but just remember hearing about it years and years ago.

If no nic analogs do as well as the O'Doul's, we probably won't be hearing about them lol.


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[sofarsogood]

The fda is proposing to use existing authority to reduce nic to very low levels in ALL existing combustible cigarettes while leaving ecigs available for sale the same as always. I love the idea, can't happen soon enough for me. But how about put some on the market now for use transitioning to vapung.

 

[mattiem]

We are never going to get anywhere until we can get past "nicotine is the big bad wolf" mindset. It is NOT the nicotine in cigarettes that kills. It is not just the nicotine in cigarettes that causes one to crave them. It is the nicotine mixed in with thousands of other chemicals that cause the craving.

Removing or lowering the nicotine has to be the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time and believe me, I have heard some really dumb ideas over the years.

As always, JMHO

 

[Zakillah]

What good is going to come out of forcing smokers to ultra light cigarettes? You really think they´ll all stop smoking?
If they must, they could throw them on the market and keep the stronger cigs as well. That way people can at least choose between *not so smart* and *extremely dumb*

 

[Rossum]

What good is going to come out of forcing smokers to ultra light cigarettes?

What makes you think that nicotine reduction will be done in a manner similar to "Ultra Lights"? The biotech exists now to reduce nic in tobacco itself, so nic reductions could be accomplished without diluting the smoke with air.

 

[Zakillah]

Fair enough.
I still don't see the point of it.

 

[mattiem]

It is amazing to me how so many of us became holier than thou once we made the switch. Most of us were them before vaping came along and I am sure none of us thought of ourselves as "not so smart or extremely dumb"

IMHO Lowering the nicotine will do nothing but stopping the lies about vaping and nicotine should make a world of difference.

 

[Zakillah]

I was talking about the choice to smoke (not so smart) or smoke nic-less cigs (extremely dumb) not the people themselves. And sorry, any way you cut it, smoking isn't exactly a "smart" thing to do. But that doesn't mean that the people themselves are idiots. Smart people do dumb stuff, too.
And no, I dont think I am smarter, or feel superior now because I stopped smoking. I also support the free choice of bars to allow smoking and despise the total ban that will hit Europe next May.

 

[mattiem]

I was talking about the choice to smoke (not so smart) or smoke nic-less cigs (extremely dumb) not the people themselves. And sorry, any way you cut it, smoking isn't exactly a "smart" thing to do. But that doesn't mean that the people themselves are idiots. Smart people do dumb stuff, too.
And no, I dont think I am smarter, or feel superior now because I stopped smoking. I also support the free choice of bars to allow smoking and despise the total ban that will hit Europe next May.

Thank you for the clarification. Sadly, so many of us started smoking well before we realized the danger of our decision I truly do hope the idea of trying to force smokers into making the switch ends up on the cutting room floor. Just stop the lies and I think more smokers would be willing to do it on their own.

 

[motordude]

FWIW, the Tobacco Control Act explicitly prevents the FDA from requiring nicotine levels to be reduced to zero

Eggzactly!!!
Regular cigs will always be available, the FDA doesn't have the power to change all cigarettes.

We are never going to get anywhere until we can get past "nicotine is the big bad wolf" mindset. It is NOT the nicotine in cigarettes that kills. It is not just the nicotine in cigarettes that causes one to crave them. It is the nicotine mixed in with thousands of other chemicals that cause the craving.

Removing or lowering the nicotine has to be the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time and believe me, I have heard some really dumb ideas over the years.

As always, JMHO

As usual, you are the voice of reason!!

 

[stols001]

Most of us were them before vaping came along and I am sure none of us thought of ourselves as "not so smart or extremely dumb"

Not when I started, no. I was 18 and knew everything back then. But as of the past, oh, 12 years or so, I have considered my cig habit both not so smart and extremely dumb. Assuming a lower IQ didn't do much to save me from the perils of addiction, though vaping certainly helped (I still do plenty of dumb stuff, however). I just don't smoke.

Most addicts and alcoholics I know are pretty together (if they aren't using) and do fairly well in life. You do have to have the right tools to manage the addiction, though. It's a tough skillset. Cigarettes were the hardest thing for me to give up, of anything. I don't know what role nic plays exactly but it is SOME role, along with the MAOIs, though I don't know how I could test that other than low-nic cigs and finding out if I loved them or hated them. Taking that action would be doubtful at best, at this point.

But, I am starting to come around to the idea that we shouldn't have a cig prohibition, rather more open and honest debate about harm reduction would be the way to go. Teen use already on the decline, there's a large subset of older smokers who will be hitting some hard consequences over the next few years.... Smoking could end or be substantially decreased given those factors and the increasing popularity of e-cigs.

Anna