25 states have banned e-cigarette sales to minors despite opposition by CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA
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Not really. Both of my teenage daughters work part time and have bank accounts with debit cards in their name only. Anybody can use a visa gift card too. Method of purchase isn't a barrier to age restriction.
Well, you're also supposed to be 18 to get a gun, but you know what happens..
i'm actually surprised pa isn't on this list, what is the law in pa then? (since a pa based member started this thread, maybe they can help me here). and yes, kids have their own networks-always did always will.
There's a PA bill to ban sales of 'vapor products' and 'tobacco-derived products' to minors.
Bill will know if the PA Legislature is in session or not, and whether or not we might be able to pass it this year or if we have to wait until 2014.
If ecigs, nicotine, etc are bought online they can require id when delivered. That's not too hard. Vaping is usually for current smokers only. I don't see kids attracted to their parents 'contraptions' and 'phoney' cigs unless 1) they are banned and/or 2) BT markets them - which we've already seen attempts to make them "cool".
Oh wait, that's exactly what the FDA plans on doing; banning and turning the market over to BT.
Oh wait, that's exactly what the FDA plans on doing; banning and turning the market over to BT.
Sorry, but your argument is flawed.
If a kid who has never used a tobacco product wants to vape, what makes you think it's for the nicotine? The kid would have no idea what nicotine does. That means they are drawn to it for different reasons such as it looking cool or peer pressure. And if the kids are nicotine users that want a nic fix, what's the problem with letting them vape it? I assure you, it would be a lot safer than the other options they have available.
Furthermore, by banning vaping outright, including the 0 nic juices, you now run the risk of the kid vaping anyway with nic juice just because that's what is most available. How many 0 nic users do you know? A kid that wants to vape is going to vape whether or not it's legal. By closing the door on the option to obtain 0 nic easily, you only leave the one for nic wide open. But sure, making it legal will surely draw kids who wouldn't even think about it if it were illegal. But again, if they are vaping 0 nic, what's the big deal?
Let's face it, the reason is that society cannot stomach the sight of kids vaping. The negative stigma surrounding anything smoked is too etched into our minds.
Your analogies don't work in this context either. Alcohol impairs the brain's functioning. Nicotine does not. Alcohol is a major player in mortality rates (of self and innocent bystanders). Nicotine is not. Guns in the wrong hands have a high risk of accidental suicide or accidental murder. Nicotine does not for the most part (there's a chance the kid can just drink the nic juice). Should a 13 year old be allowed to drive? Sure, if they can pass all the necessary testing why not? We allow seniors with less reflexes and senses than the average 13 year old to drive. Age restrictions for the most part are completely arbitrary. There are age ranges where things like alcohol will cause you more harm, but the 21 restriction isn't based on that. There are age ranges where you are more of a hazard on the road, but the 18 (in America) age limit isn't based on that.
There's no black-and-white answer to this issue. But me personally? I think 0 nic juices shouldn't have restrictions... well at least when these things get better testing and regulations.
I have a feeling that even if it's not required to have an age limit for 0 nic juice, shop owners will voluntarily set one. Might not be 18, but I definitely don't think they will be selling to a 9 year old. But hey, what is that 9 year old doing in a vape shop without a parent anyway?
So is liquid caffine...yet...I don't see no "no underage sales of coffee" at starbucks
Go check ebay for nicotine patches and gums...oops
nanny state...yeah
By this theory energy drinks should be 18 or older. Google energy drinks and death then try the same with e-cigarettes.
Nicotine when ingested can be toxic for sure. But to cause death, you'd have to drink pure nicotine (the fumes of which could also kill you if not severely do some nerve damage) or a very high dosage of diluted nicotine. Otherwise you're going to the hospital for possible nicotine poisoning and you'll be miserably nauseous. Takes less of a dosage for children, but still a lot overall.
But really, I don't picture teens chugging these things. Even if they down a 15ml bottle of 12nic it's not gonna kill them unless they are allergic. Besides, it's likely that if they do it's going to be vomit city. Not something kids will be rushing to emulate.
There are far worse things that they can ingest that's readily available.
But really, I don't picture teens chugging these things. Even if they down a 15ml bottle of 12nic it's not gonna kill them unless they are allergic. Besides, it's likely that if they do it's going to be vomit city. Not something kids will be rushing to emulate.
There are far worse things that they can ingest that's readily available.
Ingesting that much Nicotine at one time is going to get you a Trip to the ER. If you are Lucky. And yeah, I sure hope that a person is able to Puke their guts out.
Because for a 195lbs (89kg) adult, a 180mg Dose of Nicotine could Very Probably cause a Seizure / Death.
The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 0.5-1.0 mg/kg can be a lethal dosage for adult humans, and 0.1 mg/kg for children.[9][14] Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as ......., which in mice has an LD50 of 95.1 mg/kg.
And would be More than Enough to Kill a Small Child or Infant.
Nicotine poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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BTW - You do Understand how much Nicotine is in a 15ml Bottle of 12mg e-Liquid?
Don't you?
Just so I know - it's 12mg nicotine for each 1ml of liquid, so it would me 180mg, correct?
Ding - Ding - Ding we have a Winner.
e-liquid mg is a Measure of how many Milligrams of Nicotine is in One Milliliter of Volume.
Exm: 30ml of 24mg = 720 Total Milligrams of Nicotine
If you Swallow 30ml of 24mg e-Liquid you will find out Very Quickly if there Really is a God.
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