#500 SS Mesh

[mwa102464]

@OB,

Just drop off one coil wrap so you have a 3 wrap instead of a 4 wrap,,, this will net you a lower ohm and more heat. I run a 3 wrap on my Zen myself and think its the best way to roll on it, I run it at 3.5v-3.7v

 

[BJ43]

Ok.

So I decided to try this differently.

I received my 500 today. There was another large piece of mesh in there and I wish I had any idea what that was. There was stuff written on it, but can't decipher it. How does one tell?

So I decided to build one of these on a device I know very well. The zenesis. I've always had a super easy time building wicks and coils on those.

So I rolled a 100mm mesh, oxidized it, and stuck it in. Wrapped four wraps, worked out the shorts and got it going.

Here is what I've noticed. Wicking, excellent. Flavor good. There is not as much heat as I would like and the coils are not glowing as bright and hot as I would like, but overall not bad.

Now I gotta figure out to get more heat. I'm guessing either use 30 or 28 g, or maybe take a wrap off. I figured I'd let it settle a bit first.

So many of your problems would be solved with VV, if I couldn't tweak my vape to my sweet spot I would quit vaping, tweaking by wraps and or wire gauge is a PITA and very hit or miss. Don't understand your love for 4 wraps, what ever the wire gauge, coil 2.5 inches of wire and VV and you will always find your sweet spot and have a large enough heating area to produce a lot of vaper.

 

[BJ43]

mwa: Thanks, will see if I can find a source for the batteries that takes paypal. Had another fraud on the CC and waiting for new ones.

 

[the ob]

So many of your problems would be solved with VV, if I couldn't tweak my vape to my sweet spot I would quit vaping, tweaking by wraps and or wire gauge is a PITA and very hit or miss. Don't understand your love for 4 wraps, what ever the wire gauge, coil 2.5 inches of wire and VV and you will always find your sweet spot and have a large enough heating area to produce a lot of vaper.

Mwa. That's next.

Bj. I have vv devices, but honestly just don't use them as much. I don't know why. I don't end up adjusting them often and enjoy the simplicity of the 3.7v devices.

You are correct. I just don't use them.

 

[the ob]

Btw. How does one measure ohms on a device that cannot measure them? I have a device to measure it, I just don't know where to put the ends to measure.

 

[BJ43]

I started this thread because of my quest to find a SS wick that could handle large (7, 8, 9) wraps. It is impossible to get the same amount of vaper from an inch of wire as you can from two inches of wire, sure you need more voltage for 2 inches. My problem was that skinny, loosely wrapped wicks with big center hole couldn't keep up with the coils. After many tries I could never get any satisfaction from 3 wraps as the instructions said on my first Line. One day after discarding it for a month I wrapped it with 8 wraps 32g and wow what a difference, but had dry hits with my chain vaping. So I woke up in the middle of the night thinking something was wrong everything I had read on the forum about SS wicks didn't make scientific sense and dense tight made sense, so I tried it and it worked for me. Now #500 has nade it better

 

[TunnelVision]

NM it was already posted

 

[BJ43]

Mwa. That's next.

Bj. I have vv devices, but honestly just don't use them as much. I don't know why. I don't end up adjusting them often and enjoy the simplicity of the 3.7v devices.

You are correct. I just don't use them.

Not being sarcastic just factual, posting here every time you wrap a coil as if it there were a problem that we could help that is impossible. Every coil is different even if it measures the same ohms. Without VV all you can do is take or put on more wraps or change gauge, Even if you get one that is finally perfect for you, it would probably be terrible for me and the next one you try to roll the same you probably won't like. If you look at Tomcats ohms chart you can measure the wire used and calculate your ohms by length wrapped. One wrap on or off a 4 wrap coil is 25%, that's an immense adjustment. That's an overhaul not a tuneup.

 

[evilfrog]

I used to just leave a little wire hanging before trimming them off and touch the leads to them... maybe you can just use the + and - posts? or you can use the + on the bottom. I bought one of those little readers you screw the atty or carto into so I wouldn't have to worry about it.

I got my bottom coil working now so with a 5/6 wrap its at 2.2 ohms. For my power source this is the most flexible spot. I thought I was getting dry hits for a bit, but the tank was just empty This set-up is very thirsty!!

 

[mwa102464]

BJ43,

It's a super thread you have created with lots of great discussion going on here my man.

Your theory is the same theory of many moons ago from when Raidy came out with the Genesis. but as far as the coil wraps go BJ43, some people say more wraps of covering the mesh the better. However,,, this is a very subjective Theory, simply because of resistance and Watt's/Voltage and what people like to vape at more. For me I can get a ton more vapor and flavor with a 3 to 4 wrap and hit my sweet spot, then I can with a 7-8-9 wrap. This same theory stands true on a regular Atomizer I get a much better vape with an LR or regular resistance Atty then I do a HR Atty at 5-6v. where you would probably like a 3.5Resistance atty at 6v I'll take the lower resistance Atty 1.5ohm-2.4ohm at 3.5-4.5v. You must vape like a Monster BJ43 and like your huge vapor but flavor is limited with higher voltage and a higher resistance coil in my opinion, a lower ohm coil at approx 8-10 Watts is my preferred vape, and many others as well,,,,

I think you need to be open minded a little bit when it comes to this resistance thing and voltage/Watts too,,, simply because it all has been tested and tested and its different strokes for different folks when it comes to this. Just my opinion BJ43, but a good Genesis set up doesn't need to be more then 4.2v or 10W and the coil doesnt need to be more then say 2ohms Max to make for a really great vape, actually 1.3-1.5ohms is my sweet spot with a Genesis set up at 3.5v-4.2v. So please keep an open mind with this, everyone is different in there likes when it comes to vaping at different resistances and Voltages/Watts. As for Wicking this is a whole different story and there is always room for improvement when it comes to capillary action to the heating coil and what materials work best and how to use them.

 

[mwa102464]

You can also use the Kanthal.com handbook,,, the handbook will tell you the exact ohms per meter of Awg wire, there you can see and figure out any wire and how much it will take you to get to your exact resistance. Also every darn coil you make is a bit different depending on exact size of mesh and length of wire of course.

 

[BJ43]

Btw. How does one measure ohms on a device that cannot measure them? I have a device to measure it, I just don't know where to put the ends to measure.

If the coil is installed, black wire to the neg. (threads of the 510 connector) and red to the pos center of the 510;
Before short the ohm meter to see the internal resistance of the meter and deduct that amount from the reading for your coil.

 

[BJ43]

mwa I am not emonty I very seldom even get to 10 watts all my coils 2.4/2.8 ohms and voltage 4.5 to 5.5.

10 watts off of 6 wraps give me more vaper than 10 watts on 3 wraps of the same g

 

[mwa102464]

mwa I am not emonty I very seldom even get to 10 watts all my coils 2.4/2.8 ohms and voltage 4.5 to 5.5.

10 watts off of 6 wraps give me more vaper than 10 watts on 3 wraps of the same g

Now BJ, I never said or called you Emonty, cmon man,

Well, that's where we differ BJ,,, You said a ways back you mostly vape from a PT,, exactly what PV do you use to vape these Genesis style Attys and exactly what Genesis Atty are you using BJ ? because it does make a difference here, there not all alike in performance as well.

 

[mwa102464]

Again I beg to differ,,, a 3 or 3-4 wrap, or shall I say .9ohm to 1.6ohm at 3.5v-4.2v nets me a much better vape then a 2.8ohm coil at 5v BJ...This is where you need to be a little open minded,, it's a subjective thing here, everyone doesnt enjoy your higher ohm higher volt vape more then say my style and swet spot,,, just saying,, not arguing/

Edit: I'll just add that my sweet spot on a Genesis again is anywhere from a 0.9ohm to 1.6ohm coil at between 3.5 to say 4.2v and I find this a much more enjoyable vape then I do a higher resistance coil wrapped piece of mesh at a higher voltage BJ43. Where all different,,, and if you took a poll on ECF I would lay odds that most of the Genesis users are closer to my vaping style on ohms/voltage/Watts,, then yours of a 2.4-2.8ohm at 4.5-5v,, plus it's all so subjective it really boils down to what one likes as his sweet spot,, there is no exact combo that is best, its a to each there own style I would say to ones perfect vape.

 

[BJ43]

I agree with mwa, everyone has there preference, just stating mine, sometimes this medium can make one seem authoritarian and far from that intention. I would love to get satisfaction from 3 wraps, it is a pain to get 8 wraps in a vivi nova.

 

[BJ43]

Mwa the emonty was a joke, luv his videos..

 

[mwa102464]

I have tried numerous set ups, all the way up to 5ohms at 7.4v Genesis style and down to .6ohms at 2.9v BJ43,,,,,, I use to think it was more coil wraps and more coil coverage to net me more flavor, I swore by this and it was the way,, it just never added up for me and every time I hit that say 1.4-1.6ohm area on a Genesis at 3.5-4.2v it ends up being my sweet spot.... It also ends up being the same spot on no matter what Atty and Mod I am using, a regular Chinese Atty same thing,,,, a CE2 style I like a bit more ohms but the same voltage/Watts spot. We are all different in what we like,,, it also changes a bit depending what Mod I'm even using with what Atty,, and also what juice I'm using to what ohm/Watts it taste best at,,, but its almost always falling into that low to 2.4ohm max area.


I know it was a joke where is that dam Netherlands man anyways ,, hahah

 

[BJ43]

Again I beg to differ,,, a 3 or 3-4 wrap, or shall I say .9ohm to 1.6ohm at 3.5v-4.2v nets me a much better vape then a 2.8ohm coil at 5v BJ...This is where you need to be a little open minded,, it's a subjective thing here, everyone doesnt enjoy your higher ohm higher volt vape more then say my style and swet spot,,, just saying,, not arguing/

Edit: I'll just add that my sweet spot on a Genesis again is anywhere from a 0.9ohm to 1.6ohm coil at between 3.5 to say 4.2v and I find this a much more enjoyable vape then I do a higher resistance coil wrapped piece of mesh at a higher voltage BJ43. Where all different,,, and if you took a poll on ECF I would lay odds that most of the Genesis users are closer to my vaping style on ohms/voltage/Watts,, then yours of a 2.4-2.8ohm at 4.5-5v,, plus it's all so subjective it really boils down to what one likes as his sweet spot,, there is no exact combo that is best, its a to each there own style I would say to ones perfect vape.

Agree with all you say and sorry if i sounded argumentative just stating my reason for this thread and yes most do use 3/4 wraps and most that I read, if they went to more wraps the problem was poor wicking and dry hits, that was what I was looking to improve, taste is another subject.

 

[mwa102464]

BJ43,,, that's another thing,,, are you only using these cheaper VV Nova and those other cheaper Smok tanks that your modding to a Genesis unit ??? If so this is part of the difference here,,, do you have and are you running a high quality Genesis unit ?Zen, Cobra, Orion, any of these ? because they do make a difference believe it or not, some of these newer Genesis units are really much better these days I find. I have had so many dam Genesis units and never found one I liked until most recently with these newer ones that are out now.