510 is Pathetic.

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martha1014

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To me the 510 is superior to most of the smaller ecigs. I think some people expect too much from ecigs. It takes time to learn how to vape. It is different from smoking. vaping is not consistent in producing. At times it seems it just doesn't work as well. Then there are times it produces great. I think a lot of people expect too much out of there ecig. The atomizer has to be just right, the batteries has to be charged good and you must have the right amont of eliquid for it to produce good. Sometimes if you just lay it aside and use another one when you go back to that one it produces better. I don't think any vapors out there gets 100% production of any ecig. You have to overcome the frustrations involved in vaping and not to expect to much.

It really is weird. I have about 12 510 functioning at a time. None of them seem to produce at all and them all of a sudden they all start working great. I don't understand this. If anybody can help me understand this please do so. Do most people get their ecigs to produce every time you use it? If so I would like to know how you do this.
 

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Bah, I threw away my 510 once I switched over to cartomizers. Never cared for it from day one to be honest. I now use GreenCigs and a JuiceBox exclusively. I have no need for anything else and I think I could be very close to being off of those before too long as well. We all have different taste though and that's what makes it frustrating for some people. You have your 510 cheerleaders, your KR808D-2 cheerleaders, and on and on so it is hard to tell fact from fiction. One thing to keep in mind is that everyone has different smoking habits and triggers. If you want to stay on the 510 try kicking up nic level in your juice, you can get some high strength nic mixed with PG or VG unflavored and ready for cutting and mixing to taste.
OK I ordered some GreenCig carts and was so anxious to try them based upon the rave reviews. I got absolutely nothing from them. It was like sucking on a straw. What might I be doing wrong? Is there a special trick to using them?
 

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I hate to say it, but with every one of ricks posts that I read, I lean further and further towards user error.

Travis, I LOVE your avatar. You cracked me up big time.

But getting back to the subject, I'm having difficulty buying 'user error'.

There are a lot of things it can be as far as user error. The way you take a drag. Hitting these like a cig doesn't deliver the best results. A long, light drag is far superior.

I've been off analogs for 2 years and 8 months, hanging on by my teeth using perscription nicotine, patches, gum, mints, chewing tobacco (which I dropped at my best friend's recommendation for health reasons, although it worked VERY well) etc. I'm not trying to hit them like a cig. I use a long light drag. I get good flavor and moderstely acceptable (but not lasting) relief using a KR808D-1 @ 5 volts. I get almost nothing from my 510's (which I have now retired and may pick up if I get the urge to suck on air) a metalic taste from my 801's and a little better than nothing from my 901's.

Rick, there are too many people happy with the 510 for the problem to be solely with the 510.

That is puzzling to me!

Granted some people require more throat hit.

I've discovered that throat hit is not a big issue for me.

The problem here is either you, a bad atomizer, the juice, or a combination of those. Maybe vaping just isn't for you, but if that is the case, the problem is still you, not the 510.

Well, I've come across way too many people on this forum who feel the same way as me. Check out the 1,533 posts on the "Nicotine, are we getting it or not" thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine-154.html

Are we all experiencing user error?

It seeme to me like we're being asked to be satisfied with miserably unfulfilling e-cigs, instead of striving to find better!

Rick.
 

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I've tried most atomizers, and I must say that the 510 is my favorite. My 510 gives me great vapor, good throat hit and good flavor.

Next I like the 801. These are basically the same as 510s to me, except they're 40x larger. They're good, but I expected much more for the size.

Next is the 808. These have GREAT FLAVOR and GREAT throat hit, but the vapor pales in comparison to a 510 or 801. I can get good vapor, but no where near those mentioned above. Also, cartomizers are a great for convenience, but not for the wallet.

Last is the 901. I get a little more flavor with this than the 510 or 801, but much less vapor and much less throat hit.


To me, it really comes down to vapor production and throat hit. I don't need ridiculous throat hit per say (like the 808 @ 36mg), but I want a decent amount. The 510 gives me the vapor that I want and the throat hit I want, while none of the others do that. As far as flavor goes, if you find the right juice, you get the flavor you're looking for...no matter what device you're using.



Battery life is a non issue for most vapers, because if it's really that much of a problem, you buy a mod.
 

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I get almost nothing from my 510's

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Are we all experiencing user error?

Unfortunately, I would venture to say that yes, you are all experiencing user error.

None of us are getting paid by Mr. 510 to say that it's the best, so why would you think that you're right when more people using e-cigs prefer the 510 than other models?

Call me crazy, but we KNOW FOR A FACT that what you're saying isn't true. The 510 DOES produce a lot of vapor. It DOES produce good throat hit, and it DOES produce decent flavor. There is absolutely no arguing it - if your 510 isn't doing those things, you're either not using it right or you have bad components. End of story.



As a matter of fact, I'll go even further. Every e-cig on the market that you can buy has been proven to work. No matter which you're talking about, there is a video of someone getting good vapor, praising the flavor, and praising the throat hit. Anybody saying that ANY model doesn't produce vapor is either not using it correctly or has bad parts.
 
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Travis, I LOVE your avatar. You cracked me up big time.

But getting back to the subject, I'm having difficulty buying 'user error'.



I've been off analogs for 2 years and 8 months, hanging on by my teeth using perscription nicotine, patches, gum, mints, chewing tobacco (which I dropped at my best friend's recommendation for health reasons, although it worked VERY well) etc. I'm not trying to hit them like a cig. I use a long light drag. I get good flavor and moderstely acceptable (but not lasting) relief using a KR808D-1 @ 5 volts. I get almost nothing from my 510's (which I have now retired and may pick up if I get the urge to suck on air) a metalic taste from my 801's and a little better than nothing from my 901's.



That is puzzling to me!



I've discovered that throat hit is not a big issue for me.



Well, I've come across way too many people on this forum who feel the same way as me. Check out the 1,533 posts on the "Nicotine, are we getting it or not" thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine-154.html

Are we all experiencing user error?

It seeme to me like we're being asked to be satisfied with miserably unfulfilling e-cigs, instead of striving to find better!

Rick.

I found the avatar on another thread. I couldn't pass it up!

I've read the nicotine thread, and trust me when I say that I am also one of those that has been "missing something". I can function fine with my 510 and maybe one or two cigs a day. What I am getting at is that if any 3.7v PV is going to provide you with a satisfying hit, it should be the 510. if no 3.7 PV will do it for you, the problem really can't be blamed on the 510. It performs very well for it's intended use. Blaiming the 510 for issues beyond it's control really it's fair to it.

Maybe you should have made the title something more like "3.7v just doesn't do it for me"
 

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Unfortunately, I would venture to say that yes, you are all experiencing user error.

End of story.
To say "yes" would be quit a venture if you haven't read the thread. Unfortunately, the bottom line is some people need more than the stripped down nicotine molecule alone. It's quit an important thread to poo poo. As a matter of fact, the original poster was Trog, the inventor of the much acclaimed ScrewDriver and buddy to Jason "Totally Wicked" Cropper. I'd imagine he knows how to vape :).
 
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I stared out with the underperforming JOYE 901, ditched that and got the 501 manual and I love it. If my atty's are working right, I get lots of vapor and decent throat hits. My only major problem has been that I could not taste the flavors in the juice and regardless to all the different vendors I would buy from, they would all taste the same. Strawberry, pina colada, chocolate, even from DIYFlavorshack - still no taste. I really thought I was going crazy until I just read on this forum that the atty's can stop the taste from being delivered.

Also a factor in taste can be what you use as a filler. I swtiched from Fluval to Blue Foam to PTB rolling up the whole tea bag, and have now found that that I can get a slight taste using the PTB mod using only 1/2 of the tea bag.

However, I am still not totally satisfied with the taste because I feel I should be getting more, so does anyone know if there is an alternate atty that fits on the 501 that delivers the flavor of the e-juice any better?

Thank you.
 
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I'm inclined to agree with the OP (& have stated as much on many occasions & got flamed for it at least once)

510s are not all they're cracked up to be & are not as good as some on here would have you believe.

Well i sure hope you guys are wrong i should have a new one here in the next few days :) :confused::confused:
 

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I love my 510!

My first PV was an 801. It was great for a starter as the batteries lasted a good while and the carts are big so you don't have to fill as often, and throat hit and vapor was ok but not as satisfying as I would like. I would give it a C.

My second PV was a 98mm. I still use that one to vape mint. Ok throat hit and good vapor. I would give it a B+.

My last PV (so far) is the 510. Battery life short (1hr or so when vaping a lot) throat hit great and vapor great. I give it an A. I would give it an A+ if the battery life was better.
 

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Everyone complains about the battery life, but when I watch videos of the 510. People are taking like 20 second hits off the thing. Plus the atomizer seems to run hotter than most, so im assuming it is drawing more juice from the battery. The combination of these two things is probably why the battery sucks. I take shorter drags from the five 10 since the throat hit is strong enough. I have not had any real reason to suck the thing till my eyeballs popped in, so battery life for me isnt THAT bad.
 

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Well, I've come across way too many people on this forum who feel the same way as me. Check out the 1,533 posts on the "Nicotine, are we getting it or not" thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine-154.html

Are we all experiencing user error?

It seeme to me like we're being asked to be satisfied with miserably unfulfilling e-cigs, instead of striving to find better!

Rick.

But that would be addressing ALL e-cigs, because the liquids lack the necessary alkaloids for some people. That isn't the device, it's the liquid.

In a way, it IS the user, but not user error, just different needs for different people regarding the alkaloids.

My husband is perfectly happy with his 510 - so long as he uses snus to augment it. Otherwise, I don't think ANY e-cig would work for him, either - he would feel something is just...lacking.

I don't seem to need the additional alkaloids, so my 510 makes me quite happy - with my USB passthrough and PTB Straw filler mod, of course! :D
 

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Between individual nic need and taste and vendor mix, I'm finding that the model can make a difference. What I hate in my 510, I like in my 801 due to running temps and vice versa. Taste is very individualistic, so can we all please have a little leeway towards each other in lieu of this? You may dislike broccoli but I don't, regardless of the model.
 
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To say "yes" would be quit a venture if you haven't read the thread. Unfortunately, the bottom line is some people need more than the stripped down nicotine molecule alone. It's quit an important thread to poo poo. As a matter of fact, the original poster was Trog, the inventor of the much acclaimed ScrewDriver and buddy to Jason "Totally Wicked" Cropper. I'd imagine he knows how to vape :).

Twisted, once again, I thank you. The last tme, you saved me from the Spelling Squad that was ready to lynch me for a typo.

This time, you have brought sanity to a thread where the 510 promoters think we should all bow down to the wonderful 510 which gives many of us little or no relief.

Thanks again, Bro!

Rick.
 
-The battery life is horrible, but I bought my 510 knowing that. The PCC is a great help, but the rapid decline in vapor production when the battery is low kind of bothers me at times.

-I'll agree on you with the flavor argument for now since I've only used 11mg Camel liquid. I'm also still playing around with cart mods, the tea bag filling is working so far but I still need to try others.

-Throat hits are amazing, sometimes I go into coughing fits and this is coming from someone that used to roll their own unfiltered cigarettes. I might switch to an automatic battery or a 306 atty to soften the blow.

-As far as vapor production goes, it's nice when the battery is fresh. I consider it more of a novelty since I take small short drags, but it's still fun to make a huge pillar of vapor at a bar for the sake of showing off. Also it's good for demonstrating to people that got ripped off by SE that other e-cigs may work for them.
 

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Twisted, once again, I thank you. The last tme, you saved me from the Spelling Squad that was ready to lynch me for a typo.

This time, you have brought sanity to a thread where the 510 promoters think we should all bow down to the wonderful 510 which gives many of us little or no relief.

Thanks again, Bro!

Rick.

I'm not a "510 promotor" as you put it. I like the 510 because it works for me and I suspect that part of the reason you get so many responses from "promotors" is because when they read your posts, they look down at their 510s and wonder what on earth you're talking about when what you write is basically the equivalent of the statement, "the experience you're having is a lie." It is only natural that most people find that uncomfortable.

On the assumption that you're not just an internet contrarian who stirs things up on threads for the sake of making responsive enemies, I'll tell you some of my experience and hope you find it useful.

For me, PV-use is all about replacing smoking. I smoked a pack a day for over thirty years and I still like to smoke. The only thing that made me look to e-cigs was the sickening social pressure being brought to bear by the anti-smoking movement in this country. The only reason I bought into PV's at all at first was to have a way of smoking that entitled yuppies couldn't smell and force you to stand in the rain in order to smoke.

My first PV was the Janty Stick (801), the second was an 801 penstyle, the third was a silver bullet with a 510 and the 510 with all its flaws made a lot of difference for me. It *did* produce more vapor than the 801 did unless the 801 was running at its absolute optimum (primer out, clean, seasoned atomizer, fresh batteries etc.). I found pretty much immediately that I had no problem with not smoking cigarettes so long as all my equipment and supplies were in order—I smoked less than a pack that first month and no cigarettes after that—and from then on, it was a matter of refining my experience. I did this in a number of ways.

I started making my own juices. I knew my brain needed 'smoke' to be happy and I found VG to be a godsend. When I finally found it in a store, I took it home and smoked a few drops of it straight: it was like being in a fifties political meeting—heavy, persistent clouds of vision-reducing, vapor thicker than the most obnoxious cigar smoke. That was part one.

Part two was the strength of what I smoked. I started out with 36 mg liquid which is higher than high by ecig standards, but it definitely took all the edge off the cravings; actually, it did to the edge what a belt-sander does to a toothpick. I'm going to start gradually cutting down my nicotine levels to get back something like normalcy.

The third was switching to direct dripping; first on the 801 and then later on the 510 and finally on the 510 at higher voltages. This is where you and everyone else part company.

In a starter kit, a bran-new, unseasoned 510 is a pitiful thing. The battery is too weak to take the thing where it should be in terms of heat and even the manufacturers know it. None of the big boys even bothers putting auto batteries into 510 starter kits anymore. Even with fully charged manual batteries, if you're a heavy smoker, a 510 can take a while before it actually produces well and then the batteries leave you high and dry in less than two hours. Once you get past those problems however, there's nothing like it.

People with meters and time on their hands have found out that the 510 has a higher resistance than the 801 and the 901. That means that mathematics says it runs hotter than the other two on a volt-per volt basis. This translates to more vapor and, better still, to whatever you put into it being subjected to the kind of heat that boils the flavoring agents in the juice into the stream of vapor instead of leaving it to become part of the gunk that eventually gums up your atomizer.

As I sit here, I am using a 510 with a brass-tip from super-T, on a PureSmoker usb pass-through, smoking white chocolate, raspberry liquid that's 30% VG. It's warm. It tastes good (to me at least, it's not for everybody) and when I exhale, I can actually waft the cloud away so I can see what I'm writing.

If you're a heavy smoker like I am and you really need the vapor and the flavor as I do, you might try some of what I did: use higher voltages when possible. Use liquid with a lot of VG in it for the density of the vapor (to fool your brain into thinking, 'look, you're smoking!') and a ton of flavor in home-made juice to give your tongue something to do.

While you're at it, be very careful about liquid on your tongue while dripping, a 510 will safely hold three to four small drops before the liquid either goes down onto your hand or back up into your mouth. I've found that letting the liquid stay in my mouth for too long led to a bad time where food tasted alright, but my sense of taste for my vapor was so stunned that I'd have to ask some of the people at work who use vapor to taste it for me and tell me what my new mixes tasted like—I spent weeks unable to taste anything that came in the form of vapor. I was scared witless that I'd never be able to taste it again.

There you have my long two cents on the matter. Hope you'll get a better experience from the 510 or from whatever else you choose to get stuff in your lungs.

Happy holidays.
 
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