510 is Pathetic.

[anim8r]

That's exactly the same thing that I experienced. By VK, I assume you are referring to the Vapor King KR808D-1?

I find it far superior, and the only one so far that delivers flavor.

I really didn't want a 2-piece, but it looks like I'm forced into it.

Rick.

Well that clears up a lot.

There are obviously at least 2 types of people when it comes to vaping.

My VK is sitting on a shelf and has been there since about 10 days after recieving it. Anyone interested in buying it from me?

I found the VK flavors terribly inconsistent (from vapor4life), some taste ok and others tasted like crap (and they were supposedly the same flavor). I got ok throat hit from some flavors, but nothing to write home about.

Good vapor though, but not as much as any of my 510's, and not even remotely close to my 510 proteges.



Personally, I like both the 401 and 510 and have switched from one to the other over the last 6 weeks. I found different sources of e-liquid makers fit different types of e-cigs better. DIYflavorshack flavors in the 510 and JC flavors in the 401 are my personal guidelines.

 

[rickghouse]

GEEZE, rick...edit, edit, here before the grammer police catch you.....hurry.....for humanity's sake hurry!!!

Thanks, Twisted!

I could hear the helicopters overhead. The Spelling Squad was on my trail, but you saved my ....!

 

[rickghouse]

Is this some fancy true 5V PT? The reason I ask is because an 801 on a battery runs at much less than that.

Nothing fancy ... just a manual 801 pass-through on an A/C powered usb hub (not connected to my computer). I believe this should give me a true 5 volts (please correct me if I'm wrong). The same hub powers my KR808D-1 which does deliver good flavor.

I keep reading reviews that for an 801, 5v is the 'sweet spot'. I was so disappointed.

Rick.

 

[Surf Monkey]

My 510's produce an OK vapor, little throat hit, ZERO flavor (even with High Voltage Drew Juice, little lung hit (who rates on this?) and almost NO satisfaction (who rates on this?).

Stick it on a 5v mod and all those objections will go away. The weak part of the 510 is the battery, not the atomizers.

 

[ghost_inhale]

Stick it on a 5v mod and all those objections will go away. The weak part of the 510 is the battery, not the atomizers.

QFT

 

[Thulium]

I recieved my first 801 5-volt passthrough today. According to the reviews, it's supposed to produce great flavor. My experience, even with HV Drew juice, NOTHING.

510's, no flavor and no satisfaction.
901's, no flavor and no satisfaction.
801's, add to the list.


Rick.

I hope this doesn't offend you, but it sounds like you tend to use quite a lot of nicotine which suggests that you might be craving more than just nicotine from analog cigarettes and that is why you are left feeling unsatisfied no matter the configuration you try.

For that reason, perhaps you should consider trying a reduced harm tobacco product and see if getting the whole tobacco alkaloids (but still without the smoke) helps?

I haven't actually bought any, but I got a small sampler of Camel's dissolvables and a can of snus that I keep around...I don't really care much for the taste (although the Fresh Strips dissolvables are close enough to regular breath strips so I kinda liked them), but when I got a strong craving for cigarette, that really helped me get over the hump. (Ha! Camel helped me get over the hump! ...Thanks I'll be here all week. Try the veal!)

 

[FarmYard]

the only good thing about 510 batteries is hacking the end off and making a mod out of it.other than that they are useless.and if you pulled the actual battery out and had a look at it you would see why.make a wall wart mod and get all the taste and vapor you need.and as grimmgreen would put it "wreckless throat hit"

 

[rickghouse]

I hope this doesn't offend you,

Not at all. You're trying to help!

but it sounds like you tend to use quite a lot of nicotine which suggests that you might be craving more than just nicotine from analog cigarettes and that is why you are left feeling unsatisfied no matter the configuration you try.

For that reason, perhaps you should consider trying a reduced harm tobacco product and see if getting the whole tobacco alkaloids (but still without the smoke) helps?

You are exactly correct, Thulium! I've been hanging out in the nic forum, specifically "Nicotine ... are we getting it or not" DVap (a US chemist) has contributed immensely in the area of WTAs.

Snus ... well, I'm reserving that as a last resort. I know it's less harmfull than analogs, but ...

I haven't actually bought any, but I got a small sampler of Camel's dissolvables and a can of snus that I keep around...I don't really care much for the taste (although the Fresh Strips dissolvables are close enough to regular breath strips so I kinda liked them), but when I got a strong craving for cigarette, that really helped me get over the hump. (Ha! Camel helped me get over the hump!

That's a good one, Thulium!

Rick.

 

[Valkerie]

I love my M401. Great flavor.

Bought 510 disposables from MadVapes.com to get atomizers (Boge attys) for a box mod, but have been having battery issues, so I've been using the 510 e-cig.

Loads of vapor.
Nice throat hit
Very little flavor
LEAKS!!!!!

Bought a genuine Joye atomizer and pass through from LiteCigUSA.net.

Loads of vapor
Nice throat hit
Very little flavor
Still leaks! But not as much and not with the empty whistle tip and dripping.

However, since the 510 cart is so much bigger and I chain vape, I use the PT for consistency and quantity vaping. (My 401 PT melts carts, so I stopped using it.)

When I actually want to taste my e-liquids, I break out the M401s.

 

[ZorbaTheGreek]

The funny thing is, I found some flavors stand out much better on my 510. (Just got my 510 two days ago ) I've been using a 401 and was really happy with it. But the 510 really did make some flavors allot better IMO. Coffee, cappuccino, black cherry I still hate. Tastes like cough syrup =/ But the blackberry tastes way better in my 401 I think.

 

[AngusATAT]

Hi Rick.

Just a suggestion for you, use it however you like. Have you tried the KR808D-1 at 5v or 6v? The reason I ask is that I've recently been trying out the cartomizers, and have found that while they give great flavor and good throat hit at 3.7v, the vapor was disappointing to me, having been used to the 510. But last night I tried the KR808D-1 at high voltage, and was completely blown away. The vapor was very warm, comparable to my 510, and the flavor and throat hit were amazing. High voltage turned a pretty good vape into an amazing vape instantly.

 

[rickghouse]

Hi Rick.

Just a suggestion for you, use it however you like. Have you tried the KR808D-1 at 5v or 6v?

Hi, AngusATAT -

Yes, my KR808D-1 is a passthrough, so theoretically (I'm still not clear on this - some people say a passthrough delivers 5v and some say 4.1v) I think I'm getting 5v. I'm plugging into a powered USB hub instead of directly into my computer (someone in the forum warned me, I wish I could remember who so that I could give him credit, that a direct plug-in could put the motherboard at risk).

But last night I tried the KR808D-1 at high voltage, and was completely blown away. The vapor was very warm, comparable to my 510, and the flavor and throat hit were amazing. High voltage turned a pretty good vape into an amazing vape instantly.

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I found! It's the only one I've tried so far, that gives me rich flavor. Of course, I'm always looking (HeeHee).

Thanks, AngusATAT, for confirming that I'm not totally insane! Well, insane maybe, but not totally.


Rick.

 

[ExcelciusMaximus]

Purchased my 510 2 weeks ago and LOVE it. I have nothing to compare it to, I am new to vaping, but really like the TH and the batts last 3-4 hours for me with moderate usage. Works for me! Would recommend and buy again!

 

[scottjamez]

Purchased my 510 2 weeks ago and LOVE it. I have nothing to compare it to, I am new to vaping, but really like the TH and the batts last 3-4 hours for me with moderate usage. Works for me! Would recommend and buy again!

A++++++++

 

[Travis798]

I'm at a loss as to why anyone likes the 510 over a 901. I have a 901 box mod and a 510 box mod. I broke my 901 box and used my passthru at home instead of the 510 used the 510 only when I left the house. Does it work sure.. good or too strong of a throat hit but thats about all I can say in its favor, uses up batteries faster and washes out the flavor of the liquids, you have to use a really strong flavor like coffee to taste anything.

Everyone likes something different I know but if you are looking for nice flavors the 510 doesnt produce. If you are looking for a good throat hit its for you.


Alot of people that like the 510 seems to only have a 510.

Well lets see, I like my 510 (although yes, it can be fussy at times) and my 510 is the only e-cig I really use. Having said that, I own a Joye 306, an 801, 901, and KR808D-1.

The 801 and 901 are passthroughs run by a powered usb hub.

The 510 battery problems went away when I got my spade.

I get nothing really from my 801, but I want to try a low bridge atomizer with it as I hear they are much, much better. I guess I do occasionally use my 901 when I want flavor more than throat hit, but lately I just use a slb clone atty for that instead. All in all, I love my 510 and have used several e-cigs.

 

[rickghouse]

I forgot to mention ... 510's give me a sensation on the exhale that no other e-cig has given me.

It's hard to describe, but I'll try:

• 
  Dry feeling in throat

• 
  irritation in throat

• 
  scratchy, uncomfortable feeling in throat

Strangely, I don't get any of these symptoms from 801's, 901's or any brand of cartomizers.

As I said, 510's are pathetic.

Rick.

 

[Fud]

I forgot to mention ... 510's give me a sensation on the exhale that no other e-cig has given me.

It's hard to describe, but I'll try:

• Dry feeling in throat

• irritation in throat

• scratchy, uncomfortable feeling in throat

Strangely, I don't get any of these symptoms from 801's, 901's or any brand of cartomizers.

As I said, 510's are pathetic.

Rick.

Sounds to me like you got a bad batch of juice and it burnt your coil or something and the guck is stuck on there. I had the same thing happen with a bad batch of liquid that I still have nightmares over the smell and taste until the atty was cleaned out totally then it was good as new.

Tell me how can one atty make something taste different from another? They just heat up and are metal and don't produce flavor, they just might burn if too hot and then it will taste like kaka as well.

Rick you don't seem happy with any combo really so i'm leaning towards operator error.

And if your 510 is so bad why didn't you return it for a replacement if it's faulty?

 

[nyx]

I just don't get it. I'm struggling to find an e-cig that will give me enough relief to keep me off analogs.


510's, no flavor and no satisfaction.
901's, no flavor and no satisfaction.
801's, add to the list.

Rick.

not going to play into the this device is better than this device game (i have 4 different kinds of PVs and love them all, just depends on which one i'm in the mood for), but i think i may have spotted the source of Rick's dissatisfaction.. Rick, brother, you're not going to taste a damn thing until you GET OFF THE ANALOGS. they destroy your ability to taste and smell, my man, trust me. from that distinguished mug i see in your avatar, i'm guessing you've probably logged a few more years than myself as a smoker, but i was certainly no lightweight. i smoked for 15 years (from 14 to 29) and was feeding a two-pack a day habit for the last 7 of those up until August of this year.. it took a full week of being off analogs before i noticed my sense of smell coming back (walking through an open field and having the scent of clover punch you in the nose after 15 years of forgetting that the world even has a smell is a *beautiful* thing), and at least another two before i noticed that food was tasting better. the juice i was vaping, too, didn't develop a taste until about the same time.. i'd scoffed it at first ("strawberry, my ..."), but eventually noticed that--holy hell--it really did taste like strawberries. anyway, you may just be one of those unlucky people that never manages to quit because you don't really want to, and that's cool if you're willing to go out that way. just remember, sir: you *have* to want to quit.. don't expect PVs to be a replacement, you have got to be willing to make a *change* if you expect to experience one. all the best, brother. vape on and live well.

 

[nyx]

I forgot to mention ... 510's give me a sensation on the exhale that no other e-cig has given me.

It's hard to describe, but I'll try:

• Dry feeling in throat

• irritation in throat

• scratchy, uncomfortable feeling in throat

Strangely, I don't get any of these symptoms from 801's, 901's or any brand of cartomizers.

As I said, 510's are pathetic.

Rick.

sorry for the double post, but i got annoyed after the first 4-5 pages and spoke before i'd finished reading the entire thread. as far as what you're describing here, man, (and i really really don't want to come off like one of these other cats screaming "user error") i can guarantee you that those are a symptom of your atomizer not being wet enough. i started on a 901, then the 801, then tried the 808 carts after having bought an 808 battery for my 901s, and finally got my first 510s a couple weeks ago.. and let me tell you: if i don't get those suckers wet, i get exactly the itchy throat hits that you just described. to be clear, my 510s are on a 5V box mod (i loathe the standard batteries after the hell i went through juggling my early 901 batts so that i always had one charged and will never use an OEM batt again), and my experience has been that they--more than any other device--are some frickin juice hogs. that said, as long as i keep 'em moist (you might want to try the spring cart mod if you haven't already, it's been treating me really well and keeps all my attys nice and juicy), my 510s are as much a joy to vape on as everything else i have.

regarding flavors, in addition to my previous post, i have to say i've noticed with my liquids (and i have an entire shelf-full here, seriously.. like--**counting**24 different bottles in front of me at the moment) that different juices are better/worse at different voltages. the cappuccino i just got from EastMall has no taste what-so-frickin-ever at 3.7V, but through an 801 on my homemade passthrough or my 510 5V box it tastes unbelievably good. the caramel and RY4 i've got, however, are the exact opposite.. at 5V all i taste is an indistinguishable sweetness, but at 3.7V they come alive and leave me savoring every last lungful.

so: not to bark at you like several others seem to be doing (course, you did kind of beg for it in your OP with the whole "come on, flame me" routine), but i really think you should try changing up your cart-loading or dripping technique before writing the 510 off completely. like i said, i got that same uncomfortable/undesirable sensation in my throat at first that you do, but once i figured out how to treat the 510 (every model is different, brother, i have to hit the 901 differently than the 801 than the 808 than the. . .) i came to enjoy it just as much as the other models i use.

hope that helps, or at least lends some perspective. again, all the best.

 

[Thyestean]

Well, I'm to lazy to read through all of the discussion in this thread since my previous comment but just wanted to say I got my first 510 (a PT) in yesterday and I don't know about how it is with a regular battery but I haven't used anything but this PT since then because it is giving me great flavor, TH, and loads of vapor.