75W Vaporesso TARGET 2 VTC Kit with Ceramic cCELL Coil

[cooladdict]

I never got anything close to what I'd call a hot vape from the Target tank with either cCell when they were new, nor with the revived Ni200 cCell on another Mod. When the two cCells were new, I only used them on the Target Mod and I did not use the Kanthal cCell at 35W. I have been using the revived Ni200 cCell on an iStick TC Mod and it is still working pretty good. I've had it set to 30W and 500°F for two days now, and it is lasting longer than it did on the 75VTC Mod.

VW Mode with the Kanthal cCell on the Target Mod was much better than the Ni200 cCell, which I used first. Both were inconsistent, but the Ni200 was much more inconsistent. I attribute that to the Sample Mod. In TC Mode, the 75VTC got to where I could actually hear and feel it "pulsing" in about 0.5 second intervals... kind of like breathing in and out, as the Temp varied. There was something of a two-tone swooshing sound to it. I am not getting that now after reviving it and using it on the iStick TC Mod.

It is more consistent on the iStick, but the regulation drops out as the battery charge gets low. So I find myself replacing the battery with a fresh one at 1/4 to 1/8 charge. This may be the inconsistency I detect on the Ni200 cCell. And this is why I'm trying so hard to revive the Kanthal Cell.

I am trying to revive the Kanthal Ceramic Cell with it removed from the cCell so I can reinstall it to try VW Mode with it on another Mod. I'm trying to find what is good and what is not so good. I let it soak in PGA for two days and boiled it for a timed 10 minutes. It was still not white, so I kept it boiling for another timed 10 minutes. It was still not clean, so I put it back in PGA to soak again. But this cCell was Dry Burned a good bit (I figured I had nothing to lose at the time), so it may not recover well enough to get all the black marks out. There are blackened dots around the middle on the outside. The dots are darkest where the three juices holes are in the Inner Chamber.

All of the Kits and tanks that are being given away will be Samples, by what I was told. You can tell by the colors, buttons, and o-rings. I'm starting to get the impression that vaporesso is using Heaven Gifts (and anyone else they have given Samples to) for Testing to get Feedback. My Mod wasn't right either, but I did not have the problems @cooladdict is experiencing. What my 75VTC Mod did in TC Mode was more of an inconsistency in maintaining a Temperature. It also ruined a TC build in a SubTank Mini in short time.

The Watts cannot be set in TC Mode, so it is automatically set to 75W, and the Wattage is varied to maintain the set Temp (from what I can tell). You will see both the Temp and Watts vary if you press the Fire button and watch. With mine set to 500°F, the displayed Temp stays around 500°F and the Watts go up and down to maintain it. The adjustments are made quickly, too. I have not seen it display "Protected" yet, but I've seen the Temp go down to 1°F. Mine gets up to Temp pretty fast (no long wait or ramping up), but if I draw harder, I can feel the Wattage kicking in more often to heat the coil. The vapor is more flavorful, it is thicker, and warmer. On the iStick, I have it set so I don't have to draw so hard.

I only have 3 TC Mods, each a different brand and chip, including the Vaporesso, and none of them work the same. Each manufacturer has their own way of controlling the Temperature, with some better than others. This is why I am looking forward to getting a Full Production version of the 75VTC Kit, which will be the Mod, the Tank, and the two types of cCells. It's really not fair to compare a Sample to other Full Production Mods. Vaporesso has obviously made changes since the Samples were made... even if nothing except the Colors, but I anticipate that improvements are delaying the Release.

I pitched my idea of an RBA that can accept Ceramic Cells. I hope they will consider that. It would also be great to get a more traditional RBA for this Tank.
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Evan got right back to me and asked me to do a video of what I am experiencing, which I will do tomorrow. I think they want to see what the end user is experiencing. All I can really do is show them the screen and talk about how the vapor is after a hit, then do the same thing with the other mods that will take a nickle coil, so I hope it helps them.

I have the mod set at 560 now but it will still got up past that a little bit (569 seems to be the highest from what I can see while vaping, lol) but it drops dramatically and fluctuates greatly. My wattage only varies between 8 and 11 watts, which is what I believe to be the problem. If I was able to set the wattage I would definitely set it higher than 11 watts!

 

[100%VG]

It was room temperature. I only fired it briefly each time I changed it, but I will test the whole thing again in the morning after it sits all night. Right now it is back on the Target mod but I still have to vape it at 550-600 degrees to get an okay hit off of it. One cool thing I did get from the Target mod, though. I put my Phazer tank on it because I thought I had a nickle coil in it. Turns out it was Kanthal, and the mod told me "this is not a nickle coil." Pretty cool!

This is what happened with my Ni200 cCell. I had to turn the Temp up continually to get the same vape. When it got to 600°F, it did not last much longer. That is the Ceramic Cell that was revived after the water boiled out of the pot. Looking at my procedure on the Kanthal cCell, it has me wondering if the failed attempt worked because it got so hot without water around it, or if the Kanthal Cell was blackened too much from Dry Burning it so much.

Again, this is where any used cCells could help me get those answers.

 

[100%VG]

Evan got right back to me and asked me to do a video of what I am experiencing, which I will do tomorrow. I think they want to see what the end user is experiencing. All I can really do is show them the screen and talk about how the vapor is after a hit, then do the same thing with the other mods that will take a nickle coil, so I hope it helps them.

I have the mod set at 560 now but it will still got up past that a little bit (569 seems to be the highest from what I can see while vaping, lol) but it drops dramatically and fluctuates greatly. My wattage only varies between 8 and 11 watts, which is what I believe to be the problem. If I was able to set the wattage I would definitely set it higher than 11 watts!

Then use it on a different TC Mod. But from what mine did to me, it sounds like yours is getting too clogged. It did not work on another TC Mod after that.

 

[cooladdict]

Then use it on a different TC Mod. But from what mine did to me, it sounds like yours is getting too clogged. It did not work on another TC Mod after that.

It works awesome on the iStick at 500 watts and on the Cloupor Mini + at 220 watts. I get a perfect flavor and cloud on both of those mods, but it's weird that the temps are at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[cooladdict]

This is what happened with my Ni200 cCell. I had to turn the Temp up continually to get the same vape. When it got to 600°F, it did not last much longer. That is the Ceramic Cell that was revived after the water boiled out of the pot. Looking at my procedure on the Kanthal cCell, it has me wondering if the failed attempt worked because it got so hot without water around it, or if the Kanthal Cell was blackened too much from Dry Burning it so much.

Again, this is where any used cCells could help me get those answers.

I will send you mine as soon as I test the effervescence thing on it. I won't be able to make it to Walmart until tomorrow afternoon or Wednesday. Today and tomorrow are crazy busy, but I definitely want to give it a shot! I did put it into a measuring cup full of boiling water from the microwave but it is still totally black. After the denture cleaner I will try boiling water again and test it but I am not expecting much. You are welcome to it when I am done playing around with it. I'm sure you will get much more out of it than I will!

 

[100%VG]

It works awesome on the iStick at 500 watts and on the Cloupor Mini + at 220 watts. I get a perfect flavor and cloud on both of those mods, but it's weird that the temps are at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Uhhhmmm

, I think you must mean 500°F on the iStick and 220°C (428°F) on the Cloupor Mini +. Right?

 

[Katya]

I pitched my idea of an RBA that can accept Ceramic Cells.

Hmm... why would you want an RBA deck to accept premade coils? Am I missing something? I would love to have an RBA for this tank, but I don't want it to accept any coils other than my own, like Subtank's RBA.

 

[100%VG]

I will send you mine as soon as I test the effervescence thing on it. I won't be able to make it to Walmart until tomorrow afternoon or Wednesday. Today and tomorrow are crazy busy, but I definitely want to give it a shot! I did put it into a measuring cup full of boiling water from the microwave but it is still totally black. After the denture cleaner I will try boiling water again and test it but I am not expecting much. You are welcome to it when I am done playing around with it. I'm sure you will get much more out of it than I will!

Try duplicating it a few times, boiling, denture cleaner, boiling, denture cleaner, before you give up on it. I'd like to know if that can work, too.

 

[100%VG]

Hmm... why would you want an RBA deck to accept premade coils? Am I missing something? I would love to have an RBA for this tank, but I don't want it to accept any coils other than my own, like Subtank's RBA.

Once the Ceramic Cells are perfected, it would be a good way to use them at a reduced price. They would make an RBA to fit them as they are now, or make a somewhat different coil lead connection on a Ceramic Cell that fits their RBA.

Just the Cell inside, not the whole cCell. It could also come with their Organic Cotton already around it.

 

[Katya]

Now for my first impressions--after one tank with kanthal 0.9Ω coil.

The Target tank looks OK, seems to be well made, no leaks so far, user friendly. I don't like the drip tip, but that's just my personal dislike for those big bore things, nothing against Vaporesso. The only problem I have is the AFC valve; it's tight, and I can't adjust it at all without unscrewing (or over tightening) the tank at the same time. Nothing major, just an annoyance.

Performance is fine, except for a rather long delay between pressing the fire button and the coil doing its thing. I don't know if it's the ceramic heating up rather slowly at lower wattages (12-15W) where I've been most of the time or something else. I don't want to go any higher, though. I'm a low wattage, MTL person.

The vapor production and flavor are very nice, but not as good as what I get from my Kayfun 4; similar to Subtank maybe. I'm not sure what the ceramic core is supposed to be doing, frankly. We still have the kanthal wire and cotton in the atty, but no way to properly clean or rewick or rebuild...

Nice vape, but not a game changer I was quietly hoping for.

 

[Katya]

Once the Ceramic Cells are perfected, it would be a good way to use them at a reduced price. They would make an RBA to fit them as they are now, or make a somewhat different coil lead connection on a Ceramic Cell that fits their RBA.

Just the Cell inside, not the whole cCell. It could also come with their Organic Cotton already around it.

But the purpose of an RDA deck is that the user can make their own coil. The atty/tank should work with both replaceable coils and with an RBA deck. The deck should not work with replaceable coils...

Are you familiar with the Subtank and how it works?

 

[100%VG]

Now for my first impressions--after one tank with kanthal 0.9Ω coil.

The Target tank looks OK, seems to be well made, no leaks so far, user friendly. I don't like the drip tip, but that's just my personal dislike for those big bore things, nothing against Vaporesso. The only problem I have is the AFC valve; it's tight, and I can't adjust it at all without unscrewing (or over tightening) the tank at the same time. Nothing major, just an annoyance.

Performance is fine, except for a rather long delay between pressing the fire button and the coil doing its thing. I don't know if it's the ceramic heating up rather slowly at lower wattages (12-15W) where I've been most of the time or something else. I don't want to go any higher, though. I'm a low wattage, MTL person.

The vapor production and flavor are very nice, but not as good as what I get from my Kayfun 4; similar to Subtank maybe. I'm not sure what the ceramic core is supposed to be doing, frankly. We still have the kanthal wire and cotton in the atty, but no way to properly clean or rewick or rebuild...

Nice vape, but not a game changer I was quietly hoping for.

The cCell worked fine for me with MTL. I had the Airflow on mine set almost all the way closed for that. Setting it to 20W should help develop the flavor, but the vapor will be limited by the low airflow. Have you tried that. IIRC, I vaped mine at 20W and 25W.

But the purpose of an RDA deck is that the user can make their own coil. The atty should work with both replaceable coils and with an RBA deck.

Are you familiar with the Subtank and how it works?

I have a SubTank Mini that I love. It works great with Kanthal builds and TC builds. I started using 30g Ni200 to make 3mm coils that are about the same width as the air hole below them. That way, to wire heats up faster than a fatter gauge, and all of the coil is in the air path.

I agree with you about an RBA. I would like them to make a traditional one, and one for their Ceramic Cell, too.

I'm surprised that you got a Kanthal cCell. The Tank I saw listed only showed that it came with Ni200. If you take your Target Tank off of the Mod, maybe you can adjust the airflow back and forth enough to loosen it well enough for easier adjustments while on a Mod. You could also put a little juice in it, if that doesn't work. It is probably sticking on a dry o-ring.

 

[100%VG]

The cCell worked fine for me with MTL. I had the Airflow on mine set almost all the way closed for that. Setting it to 20W should help develop the flavor, but the vapor will be limited by the low airflow. Have you tried that. IIRC, I vaped mine at 20W and 25W.

Thinking about it now, I used the Ni200 cCell first, so I would have been using that when I tried MTL. That would help to regulate the Temp for you better.

 

[Katya]

The cCell worked fine for me with MTL. I have a Airflow on mine set almost all the way closed for that. Setting it to 20W should help develop the flavor, but the vapor will be limited by the low airflow. Have you tried that. IIRC, I vaped mine at 20W and 25W.

I tried several different combinations of watts and airflow, I installed my own DT, no love. When I go over 15-16W, it's too much for me.

I agree with you about an RBA. I would like them to make a traditional one, and one for their Ceramic Cell, too.

I still don't understand your idea of an RBA deck accepting premade coils, but so be it.

I'm surprised that you got a Kanthal cCell. The Tank I saw listed only showed that it came with Ni200.

I was surprised and delighted myself. I didn't expect it. The tank came with a TC coil on the side and a kanthal coil pre-installed.

If you take your Target Tank off of the Mod, maybe you can adjust the airflow back and forth enough to loosen it well enough for easier adjustments while on a Mod. You could also put a little juice in it, if that doesn't work. It is probably sticking on a dry o-ring.

Most of them do loosen a bit with time. That's really not a big problem.

 

[Katya]

Setting it to 20W should help develop the flavor, but the vapor will be limited by the low airflow.

So I went up to 20 watts --> had to increase airflow. The flavor is better, but the vape is just too aggressive for my MTL sensibilities.

 

[100%VG]

I still don't understand your idea of an RBA deck accepting premade coils, but so be it.

In the Dissection video, I showed what I'm calling the "Ceramic Cell" that is inside a cCell. That is what I pulled the Organic Cotton off of. That is what cleaned up so white and is working so well with a strip of new Japanese Organic Cotton around it, and reinstalled in a good cCell made of parts from the one I cut open and the one from the boiling attempt.

These are some pictures of it, before it was "revived", as I call it . . .

One coil leg coming out of one side near the bottom.

The other coil leg coming out of the other side near the top.

The Silicone Seal that is above it when in the Inner Chamber.
You can see both Coil Legs here.

The Inner Chamber with the Ceramic Cell and Organic Cotton inside.

Worth a thousand words. Hopefully.
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[Katya]

I get that, but that's not RBA...

This is an RBA deck I want:

I don't want to reuse their coils, I want to build my own horizontal coil, use my own Temco 29g kanthal, 1.4-1.6Ω, and I want to wick it myself--to my liking. I don't really care for vertical coils.

 

[100%VG]

I get that, but that's not RBA...

This is an RBA deck I want:

I don't want to reuse their coils, I want to build my own horizontal coil, use my own Temco 29g kanthal, 1.4-1.6Ω, and I want to wick it myself--to my liking. I don't really care for vertical coils.

I get that, but it won't take a Vaporesso Ceramic Cell.

Hey, one of the 4 boxes that was supposed to be 30 feet Vapowire 30g Ni200 has a 100 foot spool of TEMCo 29g Kanthal A1 in it. I have plenty of TEMCo 29g Kanthal already, but they told me to keep it and they will send me more 30g Ni200. Would you like to have this 29g Kanthal?
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[Katya]

How kind of you... but I couldn't. I suggest you try it yourself. 29 or 28g kanthal, 2-2.5mm ID horizontal coil, wicked with JOC or rayon, at 8-12 watts. My sweet spot. Doesn't get any better than that.

 

[100%VG]

I get that, but it won't take a Vaporesso Ceramic Cell.

Hey, one of the 4 boxes that was supposed to be 30 feet Vapowire 30g Ni200 has a 100 foot spool of TEMCo 29g Kanthal A1 in it. I have plenty of TEMCo 29g Kanthal already, but they told me to keep it and they will send me more 30g Ni200. Would you like to have this 29g Kanthal?
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No reply, huh?

Let's see if I can tempt you. I'll even deliver it in person...








...if you let me use your self-cleaning oven.
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