Acetyl Proprionyl, Diacetyl, Acetoine HELP
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Going from micrograms/ml to ppb makes it easy
And brings the number back up to 1,797,000 ppb!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge (and the link!).
Oopsy, didn't see that you'd posted that link initially. Thank you!
Googled 'mg/ml to ppb' and came up with that very calculator from endmemo site.
1.797 mg/ml = 1,799,052 ppb
That's quite a large amount, at about 0.18%, or 1 part per 556. Pretty disappointing if this is ultimately from a company that claims none present.
1.797 mg/ml = 1,799,052 ppb
That's quite a large amount, at about 0.18%, or 1 part per 556. Pretty disappointing if this is ultimately from a company that claims none present.
and 24 mg nicotine is 24,000,000 ppb so is that a large amount?
0.18% is 1 part per 556
yeah thats kinda high I think.
I'd be more comfortable with something on the order of part per million for toxic substances.
That depends upon one's point-of-view, I suppose. If I were expecting no nicotine in my e-liquid, then yes. That's quite high for my tolerance, as well.
I'm somewhat dismayed that this issue is still so murky. I remember tiring of discussing diketones a couple of years ago, because many simply did not want to hear about it, and would be offensive about it. Seems that time has not improved the outlook much, but at least more people are aware of the possible hazards.
Since I'm the one who originally e-mailed FlavorWest and pulled the previously posted information from the e-mail, I'll follow up with Sarah and see what she has to say about it. Hopefully I won't get the cold shoulder too.
thankyou all very much for the people who care about this subject all the information shared is very appeciated keep it up!!
That would be fantastic Jonathan, thank you. Please let us know what they say if you can. I would really like to know their side of this story. So far from what I know, I believe Flavor West has deceived me.
There did not seem to be much chatter on the net about this yesterday, but that could change fast. IMO it's in Flavor West's own best interest to be up front about what is going on. Otherwise they risk becoming known as the company you can't trust to be honest about their ingredients.
Well it should be interesting to see what they say, if anything. The company that ordered the test was completely ignored when they e-mailed them regarding their findings.
Kinda hard to deny a test done in a lab that specializes in this thing I'd imagine.
I just heard back from Sarah at FlavorWest and they've seen the report that's floating around (i.e. the one in this thread) and they are requesting an ingredient list from their raw material supplier to confirm that the report is accurate. Sarah also mentioned that within the next 30-45 days, they plan on adding a COA (Certificate of Analysis) for each flavor they sell. The COA will document what is in the flavoring so there will be no question about whether Diacetyl, Acetoin or Acetyl Proprionyl is in there. If it is, you'll know it by simply reading the COA.
Hopefully that helps everyone out a little bit
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Hopefully that helps everyone out a little bit
.I just heard back from Sarah at FlavorWest and they've seen the report that's floating around (i.e. the one in this thread) and they are requesting an ingredient list from their raw material supplier to confirm that the report is accurate. Sarah also mentioned that within the next 30-45 days, they plan on adding a COA (Certificate of Analysis) for each flavor they sell. The COA will document what is in the flavoring so there will be no question about whether Diacetyl, Acetoin or Acetyl Proprionyl is in there. If it is, you'll know it by simply reading the COA.
Hopefully that helps everyone out a little bit
Thanks Jonathon.
You'd kinda think that they would have requested an ingredient report before seeing this lab test floating around. Seems like a responsible way to go about running a business.
One of the resellers could always test the flavour to see if it yielded the same results. Always good to have someone without a vested interest involved.
I just heard back from Sarah at FlavorWest and they've seen the report that's floating around (i.e. the one in this thread) and they are requesting an ingredient list from their raw material supplier to confirm that the report is accurate. Sarah also mentioned that within the next 30-45 days, they plan on adding a COA (Certificate of Analysis) for each flavor they sell. The COA will document what is in the flavoring so there will be no question about whether Diacetyl, Acetoin or Acetyl Proprionyl is in there. If it is, you'll know it by simply reading the COA.
Hopefully that helps everyone out a little bit
Thank you!
It does help me, but not in a good way. It means they do not have a ingredient list already, nor a certification from the manufacturer that there is no diacetyl in the product and that they do not do their own testing. Basically they said their flavorings did not have diacetyl in them without documenting it.
Not trying to be an ... about it, but this seems to me a pretty serious hit on their credibility. On the bright side, at least Sarah responded.
ugh so I did something in my photobucket account last night and every embedded image I've ever posted got deleted. It wasn't intentional at all, so I'm posting that lab result test again for reference. Can you not edit a post after a few days on this forum? i would have just edited my original post but I can't.
Also, if anyone ever hears back from Flavor West regarding this test, can you please post the info here. 10 days ago they said they were going to check with their "raw material supplier" to see what ingredients were in the flavour, that's the last I've heard. Can't take that long can it?
Also, if anyone ever hears back from Flavor West regarding this test, can you please post the info here. 10 days ago they said they were going to check with their "raw material supplier" to see what ingredients were in the flavour, that's the last I've heard. Can't take that long can it?
I just heard back from Sarah at FlavorWest and they've seen the report that's floating around (i.e. the one in this thread) and they are requesting an ingredient list from their raw material supplier to confirm that the report is accurate. Sarah also mentioned that within the next 30-45 days, they plan on adding a COA (Certificate of Analysis) for each flavor they sell. The COA will document what is in the flavoring so there will be no question about whether Diacetyl, Acetoin or Acetyl Proprionyl is in there. If it is, you'll know it by simply reading the COA.
Hopefully that helps everyone out a little bit
We don't (yet) completely understand "the legalities" but from the common definition & examples we're finding a CoA doesn't necessarily list every ingredient - only what is necessary to meet the regulated/legal "product specification". And since the terms "natural flavor" and "artificial flavor" are all that is legally required for 'food flavors', it seems quite possible that a CoA might not reveal specific chemicals or percentages.
A Certificate of Analysis refers to an authenticated document that is generally issued by Quality Assurance that ascertains that a regulated product has met its product specification and quality.
On the other hand, we have seen CoA's that reveal the results of specific testing. But of course, only the chemicals tested for are on the CoA.
Right, but leaving aside the decimal-point error discovered later, you're measuring the parts-per-billion of the liquid, and not the vapor, correct?
Correct. And when we're looking at liquid that's pushing 2,000,000 ppb against a safety recommendation of 8-25 ppb in open air...figuring out how to estimate the actual "directly into lungs vapor ppb" is not on my to-do list. But hey, if you know how and have the time, go for it!
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