Affordable Kickable Mechanical Tube Mod

[finagle69]

For you guys who kick mech mods: does the vape quality change when using the kick? I'm not referring to wattage regulated vape, I'm speaking more about how on cheap pwm mods, you can certainly tell the difference in vape from a mech mod or say a provari.

You know, that's an excellent question. I've searched online to try to find oscilloscope pictures of a Kick in action, but failed.

I have a VAMO, and if I set both the Kick and the VAMO to the same power, I can tell a slight difference in the vape using the same topper.

IDK how to describe it, but the Kicked vape just seems more "correct" as it were. I seriously don't use my VAMO much anymore. Mainly only if I want to have 2 mods with toppers on them so I can switch very quickly.

 

[Fullknight]

I have a kick on my Natural and my CCST. It works really good. I think the Kick is at a different freq than ten Vamo,Zmax,etc.


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[Fullknight]

As far as my observation the Kick is not PWM.


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[Kemosabe]

Excellent. That's exactly what I was looking to find out.

 

[muzichead]

For you guys who kick mech mods: does the vape quality change when using the kick? I'm not referring to wattage regulated vape, I'm speaking more about how on cheap pwm mods, you can certainly tell the difference in vape from a mech mod or say a provari.

I have had a kick installed in my Vmod XL now for several months and love it. I just set it @ 10watts, (I prefer a warmer vape), and left it that way. Consistent vape from start to finish on a fresh battery. It will stutter when the battery has gotten too low for use. An 18490 lasts me almost all day at present. I am now thinking of kicking my Natural as I can feel the difference in the battery below 3.7v as well. It just means I have to build larger ohm set-ups for it then is all.

 

[Kemosabe]

do you know if the kick has an amp limitation?
i know the new competing device, The Crown, has a 2.5A limit.
i wonder if the kick has got a higher amp limit...

 

[muzichead]

do you know if the kick has an amp limitation?
i know the new competing device, The Crown, has a 2.5A limit.
i wonder if the kick has got a higher amp limit...

Don't actually know. I'm sure there is one, but can't find any info on it. I did just look on their site and found this...

The settings range is from 5 watts to 10 watts. The Kick performs best with attys/cartos rated between 1.3 to 3.0 Ohms. You can use higher rated resistance but the Kick will not regulate well at the highest power levels if resistance is above 3 ohms.

According to the info I have on a fresh 4.2v battery with a 1.3ohm atty it would be @ 3.23 amps and work its way down from there as the battery depletes itself... This would tell me it has a higher limit built into it than the crown does...

 

[Kemosabe]

You know, that's an excellent question. I've searched online to try to find oscilloscope pictures of a Kick in action, but failed.

I have a VAMO, and if I set both the Kick and the VAMO to the same power, I can tell a slight difference in the vape using the same topper.

IDK how to describe it, but the Kicked vape just seems more "correct" as it were. I seriously don't use my VAMO much anymore. Mainly only if I want to have 2 mods with toppers on them so I can switch very quickly.

it would certainly be great to get some o-scope results on the kick. if anyone ends up finding them, please post.

 

[Kemosabe]

Don't actually know. I'm sure there is one, but can't find any info on it. I did just look on their site and found this...

The settings range is from 5 watts to 10 watts. The Kick performs best with attys/cartos rated between 1.3 to 3.0 Ohms. You can use higher rated resistance but the Kick will not regulate well at the highest power levels if resistance is above 3 ohms.

According to the info I have on a fresh 4.2v battery with a 1.3ohm atty it would be @ 3.23 amps and work its way down from there as the battery depletes itself... This would tell me it has a higher limit built into it than the crown does...

the part i dont get is how it says 1.3 to 3Ω attys are the sweet spot, and that it goes up to 10W. 1.3Ω @ 10W is 7.69A. could the kick really have that high of an amp limit, or perhaps no limit at all?

 

[eHuman]

I don't have a natural, I'm thinking of adding it to my collection though. For those of you who have one and also have the 500 tube...
Can you use the 350 tube and the 500 tube together to kick a 650 battery? (Edit: nvm I think that is 5mm too long)

Also: anyone who owns a natural and also an AGA-T (with threaded cap): are the threads on the AGA-T the same as the threads on the natural? Yes I know you would have to screw it in upside down, I just need to know if they are the same threads...

 

[eHuman]

the part i dont get is how it says 1.3 to 3Ω attys are the sweet spot, and that it goes up to 10W. 1.3Ω @ 10W is 7.69A. could the kick really have that high of an amp limit, or perhaps no limit at all?

Correction: 1.3Ω at 10w = 2.77A
The 7.69 you got by dividing 10 (watts) by 1.3 (Ω). (division is the wrong operation to find amps from watts)

To find Amps: 10(w) multiplied by 1.3(Ω) gives voltage squared (13v), the square root of which is 3.6055v.
3.6055v divided by 1.3Ω = 2.77A (v/r=A)

Back checking the math: 3.6055v multiplied by 3.6055v (=13) divided by 1.3(Ω) = 10 watts. (v*v/r=p)

Power times resistance = voltage squared. (p*r=v*v or v^2)
The square root of voltage squared (power multiplied by resistance) = voltage, divide that by resistance to get current (v/r=A)

More than you wanted to read probably lol.

 

[Kemosabe]

Correction: 1.3Ω at 10w = 2.77A
The 7.69 you got by dividing 10 (watts) by 1.3 (Ω). (division is the wrong operation to find amps from watts)

To find Amps: 10(w) multiplied by 1.3(Ω) gives voltage squared (13v), the square root of which is 3.6055v.
3.6055v divided by 1.3Ω = 2.77A (v/r=A)

Back checking the math: 3.6055v multiplied by 3.6055v (=13) divided by 1.3(Ω) = 10 watts. (v*v/r=p)

Power times resistance = voltage squared. (p*r=v*v or v^2)
The square root of voltage squared (power multiplied by resistance) = voltage, divide that by resistance to get current (v/r=A)

More than you wanted to read probably lol.

lol yup. you got me. i done did the equation bass ackwards

i guess it would be safe to say that the kicks amp limit is likely 2.7-2.8A

 

[muzichead]

Correction: 1.3Ω at 10w = 2.77A
The 7.69 you got by dividing 10 (watts) by 1.3 (Ω). (division is the wrong operation to find amps from watts)

To find Amps: 10(w) multiplied by 1.3(Ω) gives voltage squared (13v), the square root of which is 3.6055v.
3.6055v divided by 1.3Ω = 2.77A (v/r=A)

Back checking the math: 3.6055v multiplied by 3.6055v (=13) divided by 1.3(Ω) = 10 watts. (v*v/r=p)

Power times resistance = voltage squared. (p*r=v*v or v^2)
The square root of voltage squared (power multiplied by resistance) = voltage, divide that by resistance to get current (v/r=A)

More than you wanted to read probably lol.

Yeah, what he said.....

 

[muzichead]

lol yup. you got me. i done did the equation bass ackwards

i guess it would be safe to say that the kicks amp limit is likely 2.7-2.8A

Not sure exactly, but I think I remember seeing somewhere it was at least 3amp...

Here is the calculator I have used since I have been vaping.... Ohm's Law Calculator

 

[Kemosabe]

Not sure exactly, but I think I remember seeing somewhere it was at least 3amp...

Here is the calculator I have used since I have been vaping.... Ohm's Law Calculator

a-ha. 3amp. nice. i think im gonna get a natural and a kick. unless i decide that i want to be able to kick an 18650. tough decision because i really do like the look and reviews of the natty.

 

[muzichead]

a-ha. 3amp. nice. i think im gonna get a natural and a kick. unless i decide that i want to be able to kick an 18650. tough decision because i really do like the look and reviews of the natty.

I am not sure as yet but just wondering if it can be kicked, (18650 mode), with the extra 18500 tube that GotVapes sells??

What exactly is the natty?

 

[Kemosabe]

I am not sure as yet but just wondering if it can be kicked, (18650 mode), with the extra 18500 tube that GotVapes sells??

What exactly is the natty?

someone posted earlier that the natural can be kicked in 18650 mode, but that the threads show. not optimal for my liking, but it is possible so i may still get it.

the natty is my nickname for the natural lol. i stole it from the nickname for the schwilly brew

 

[Kemosabe]

speaking of the kick, i just read on exhalevapor's description of the natural that the chinese are making a kick clone, called the stomp.

 

[durgidog]

I have a DrawTube and other than the SS contacts I like it better than the natural (cheaper too). The button is MUCH more sturdy than the natural's, it can be kicked with 18350 or 18500.

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[Kemosabe]

I have a DrawTube and other than the SS contacts I like it better than the natural (cheaper too). The button is MUCH more sturdy than the natural's, it can be kicked with 18350 or 18500.

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i like the draw tube. i am still considering it. but the thing i like better about the natural is the lack of a segmented body design. the natural is streamlined no matter which size battery you choose.

i assume you dont like the SS contacts because of the voltage drop.(?)
i didnt realize you could sand down SS, but read below. seems finagle has acheived brass.

The Natural has an adjustable positive center pin, and the negative pin is spring loaded as well.

After sanding down all of the contact points, full brass is exposed. I measured a 0.3V drop under load on my 1.5ohm coil on my AGA-T2 last night. Not bad for a $50 mod.

And in kick mode, you can only use an 18490/500 with the tubes that come with it. I believe an 18500 tube exists, but is out of stock. With that, I'm assuming you could kick an 18350.

I love it kicked with an 18490. The height is damn near identical to the VAMO in 18350 mode and is just a perfect size.