I use 901s and find them to be pretty reliable. If you buy cheap ones, you need a drip shield. IKV or ciscos are harder to flood. I use either a top feeder or a bottom feeder with an atty almost exclusively.
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I can afford the pittance oil costs. I recycle the oil at the Auto Zone, down the street, so the environment is safe. I change my own oil and filter. My neighbor, with a later model vehicle of the same engine type, and half the mileage, drains oil that looks like thin tar; which means that a lot of carbon is in the oil, so there's a lot of engine wear going on. Mine's still clear amber when I dump it, which means that engine wear is minimal. I'm getting the results I want.
The phosphoric acid sounds interesting. I'll give it a try sometime.
Get a Buili or Genesis atty. Problem solved.I haven't used a Chinese atty in months.
This is not about cost. It is about your carbon footprint. While you may think that you are doing the right thing by driving your used oil down to a recycling center, you are still creating an energy loss and a bigger carbon footprint. It takes energy to recycle oil into a product of lesser value from the unnecessary transport to the conversion energy, especially when it is a proven waste.
Your observations are based on what you see with your neighbor; mine are based on hard scientific fact and thousands of man years of accumulated observations from providing test equipment to the very people who build and test engines for a living.
Both GM and Ford as well as every other powertrain manufacturer, for example, are going over to OLM (oil life monitoring) which ignore the decades old standard of 3000 miles and actually measure parameters in the oil to control its effectiveness. Even if you do a lot of driving in dusty environments or stop and go in a big city, the 3000 mile oil change interval completely ignores what is happening in the real world and the advances in engine manufacturing and lubricants.
When I was still working in Europe one of my colleagues in the US had the exact same model and year Audi, yet his oil change interval was half of mine. When I asked the head of engine of engine development at Audi about it, he showed me a report that had the accumulated world wide data from dealerships and their own testing. It could find NO measurable difference in engine life and performance between the 5000 km and 10000 km oil change intervals. That was in the days before the advances in electronics and sensor technology now enable one to measure oil performance in real time. The only critical oil change was the very first.
Your observations are based on what you see with your neighbor; mine are based on hard scientific fact and thousands of man years of accumulated observations from providing test equipment to the very people who build and test engines for a living.
Both GM and Ford as well as every other powertrain manufacturer, for example, are going over to OLM (oil life monitoring) which ignore the decades old standard of 3000 miles and actually measure parameters in the oil to control its effectiveness. Even if you do a lot of driving in dusty environments or stop and go in a big city, the 3000 mile oil change interval completely ignores what is happening in the real world and the advances in engine manufacturing and lubricants.
When I was still working in Europe one of my colleagues in the US had the exact same model and year Audi, yet his oil change interval was half of mine. When I asked the head of engine of engine development at Audi about it, he showed me a report that had the accumulated world wide data from dealerships and their own testing. It could find NO measurable difference in engine life and performance between the 5000 km and 10000 km oil change intervals. That was in the days before the advances in electronics and sensor technology now enable one to measure oil performance in real time. The only critical oil change was the very first.
Oil changing -
I don't know how on board computer determine when to change oil - it's just tells you that it's time to change an oil.
Based on the abow I recently change oil in my Honda Civic 2008 only for the 3rd time with 26,500 ml on the odometer.
I don't know how on board computer determine when to change oil - it's just tells you that it's time to change an oil.
Based on the abow I recently change oil in my Honda Civic 2008 only for the 3rd time with 26,500 ml on the odometer.
I found that once you get a system to using your attys they last much longer and perform better.I have 40+ attys(901,801,510,306,i06) that I use and change to a different one every day on each mod.The ones I just got done using go in the ultrasound cleaner with iso alcohol for 10 minutes and I move on to the next attys.Doing it this way heavy build up never gets a chance to occur and the atty stays in like new condition.A good amount of mine are over 6 months old.
On many older cars, the oil change monitor is purely based on either time between oil changes or a reverse odometer. Newer cars do not work that way.
Here is how it works.
Oil life sensor: Based on Mileage or actual oil quality? [Archive] - CadillacOwners
There are really two systems. One uses stored data from the engine on temperature, rpm, start stops, etc. and then uses an algorithm to tell you when to change the oil.
The other system (BMW, MB) use actual sensors to monitor the condition of the oil.
One system (GM), for example, uses algorithms that store temperature
Here is how it works.
Oil life sensor: Based on Mileage or actual oil quality? [Archive] - CadillacOwners
There are really two systems. One uses stored data from the engine on temperature, rpm, start stops, etc. and then uses an algorithm to tell you when to change the oil.
The other system (BMW, MB) use actual sensors to monitor the condition of the oil.
One system (GM), for example, uses algorithms that store temperature
I hate atomizers for the exception of one...dual coil atomizers...not cartomizers...atomizers. They don't have the "metal" taste that I always get from using plain atty's. Other than that, cartomizers all the way for this cat. As for cleaning the gunk out, invest in an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner.
Yeah the new DC attys are bad .... I have been rotating 2 of them and both still vape like brand new...best taste best vapor best TH hands down. Can't wait till some higher ohm DC attys hit the shelves!
Try them at 6V. I have one on my Reo Mini with 2x14250 batteries making it 6V...they are fantastic. I'm still using the first 2 out of 15 that I bought...I'm that impressed with them. Looking to replace all the other attys I have eventually. I still use the single regular attys to test flavors because I have yet to clean one of the duals to see if it's difficult or not. Been using the one on the Reo for 3 weeks straight without cleaning and it's still performing like it did new...infact, it's improved some.
Now that would be something.. All the attys, clearos, xartos all have a problem with them.. My main problem is the taste.. I can get eons with attys with barely cleaning them at all (and I'm a constant vapor-er).. I had one 401 atty last 16 months (had to be a fluke, but it happened).. A while ago I saw that someone created an atty that lasted forever that they were selling, and I don't know from where, but it was someplace overseas.. You would know how to do that, but for "us" with smaller brains, we could never figure that out.. The only problem I would think you'd have to solve would be the amount of current needed.. I use a 5 volt most of the time and can get about a day and 1/2 to 2 days out of them before needing to recharge.. Even cutting that time in 1/2 or more would be of significant value to us..
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This is a great thread. I'm a 4,000 mile atty guy. I feel sorry for you 3,000 or 5,000 mile carto guys. Atty cleaning is sooooo easy. Every night, I take a BIG swig of vodka, swallow it, then take another swig and blow it through my atty. No problems
Just my 2 cents about this. Attys are the best and cartos suck big time. Why? With cartos I always feel like suckig on a cig filter and I always and I mean always have this slight plastic filling taste. Worst thing is if you burn a carto you
Won't get the taste out
Of your mouth for days.
Attys> cartos
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I honestly prefer the atty. I lose too much flavour when using a carto and it bugs me big-time knowing I'm not getting the fullest amount of flavour out of my juices.
I gotta agree with that. On a good mod cartos have a funny taste whereas an atty doesn't seem to affect it.
I've read all the posts concerning the plastic taste to the cartos.. I got a pack of 5 cartos when I ordered the Omega and never tried cartos, so I bought a pack.. I haven't gotten the taste yet that I can tell, but I did notice that I kept on filling it alot.. Now bear in mind I am using the Omega at 5 volts (a no,no according to the company), so the so-called "cartos are better than attys because they last a long time without filling them" stuff I've read on here just went out the window since I had to fill it as much as I do with direct dripping.. There was something though, when I was with other people, they kept on telling me they smelled burnt plastic- so there ya' go.. Also thought it was weird because the cartos were suposed to be great for 3.7 and 5 volts and it did work at 5 volts on the Omega, but then I would pop it on my 5 volt GLV and it wouldn't even work, noooooooooooo vapor.. Hhhmmm.... Thus, I'll stick with attys
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ive been vaping since january, so coming up on a year. i used attys up until about a month ago when i figured id try cartos mainly for the tank. everything i vape is 510 LR at 3.7v, thats for attys and cartos. ive now come to the conclusion that they have different purposes. im not going to try a new flavor in a carto, or put a flavor in a carto that i know im going to vape for 2 hours and not touch again for 2 weeks, thats what attys are for. when i want to grab something and vape as hassle free as possible i use a carto. what it all comes down to is finding the right carto or atty for you. ive tried alot of stuff out there and i find that the best flavor, vapor production, and just vaping experience in general is with CCV Resurrectors. i have not had to fiddle with these once and they last and last and last, no weird filler taste at all either (which i did experience with boge cartos). i hate fiddling with stuff and im sorry but attys are to fiddly. they're constantly leaking, burning, poor vapor, blow it out, dripping and driving sucks blah blah blah the list goes on. i got so sick of using attys towards the end of my constant usage of them that i wanted to just start smoking again. im glad i only use them sparingly now and at home only.
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My mentor about all things scientific, a PHD that rebuilt an old european car; don't remember the make, back in the early 60's, when he was 14.
He has a toyota tacoma that he rarely changes the oil on... he said virtually the same thing; oil these days, and engines don't need frequent changes... sounds good though when you compare it to atty's..if you know how to clean the darn things.
I have about 50 attys set aside "for cleaning" hahah... as i have about 50 new ones to go through first... i get them from Vapor Kings, 901's for less than 4 bucks... by 10/pak.
One thing to keep in mind about the new rebuildable atomizers, is draw... because they are different animals than the conventional atties, where the air comes up from the bottom of the connector, among other things, the one i tried; iatty, was way too airy... lots of vapor, but i didnt realize how much i rely on that bit of constriction in the draw for a satisfying vape.. sort of like dragging on an analog, and the little bit of t/h that even the 901 gives too.
reports of same issue with the bulli abound although there are some fix/adjusts to that unit... and to be fair, the iatty on a GGTS will be fine since it has the air draw control in the collector tank.
But any new rebuild, like the Genisis's coming out, i am wary about draw... 801 fans might not mind, as imo they are too airy.
My new atty of choice is the Iken i06... closest thing to an analog yet imo.... LR 1.8 Ohm at low volts.
Oh and the Fusion carto is kick azz in a tank.
I wish i knew how to clean attys better... and yes, they do die after you clean them and imo don't really perform "like new" after cleaning. (but i'm very hard on attys)
He has a toyota tacoma that he rarely changes the oil on... he said virtually the same thing; oil these days, and engines don't need frequent changes... sounds good though when you compare it to atty's..if you know how to clean the darn things.
I have about 50 attys set aside "for cleaning" hahah... as i have about 50 new ones to go through first... i get them from Vapor Kings, 901's for less than 4 bucks... by 10/pak.
One thing to keep in mind about the new rebuildable atomizers, is draw... because they are different animals than the conventional atties, where the air comes up from the bottom of the connector, among other things, the one i tried; iatty, was way too airy... lots of vapor, but i didnt realize how much i rely on that bit of constriction in the draw for a satisfying vape.. sort of like dragging on an analog, and the little bit of t/h that even the 901 gives too.
reports of same issue with the bulli abound although there are some fix/adjusts to that unit... and to be fair, the iatty on a GGTS will be fine since it has the air draw control in the collector tank.
But any new rebuild, like the Genisis's coming out, i am wary about draw... 801 fans might not mind, as imo they are too airy.
My new atty of choice is the Iken i06... closest thing to an analog yet imo.... LR 1.8 Ohm at low volts.
Oh and the Fusion carto is kick azz in a tank.
I wish i knew how to clean attys better... and yes, they do die after you clean them and imo don't really perform "like new" after cleaning. (but i'm very hard on attys)
I had a 86 Nissan PU that died at 235,000 miles. I changed the oil around 10-12 times, not much more. When I had the engine replaced they cracked open the engine and said it was all gunked up. They told me if I would of changed to oil more often it would have lasted longer.
I told them with the $$$ I saved not changing the oil paid for a new engine. And instead of a 235K but working engine I have a brand new engine.
It took me 10 months to figure out attys (yeah I know I'm slower than most). I was getting 1-3 days out my cartos and now I get 1-3 weeks out of my attys. For me, the flavor is some to much better on an atty.
So attys are a win-win for me.
I told them with the $$$ I saved not changing the oil paid for a new engine. And instead of a 235K but working engine I have a brand new engine.
It took me 10 months to figure out attys (yeah I know I'm slower than most). I was getting 1-3 days out my cartos and now I get 1-3 weeks out of my attys. For me, the flavor is some to much better on an atty.
So attys are a win-win for me.
Thank you for sharing your opinion with me. I will, of course, give it all the attention it deserves.
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