Another article on the Juul

[Kurt]

I don't think benzoic acid is a great idea. Benzoate is used for preservation in foods, but I don't think it is great for you, and I would not want to inhale it. Citric or pyruvic are probably better options, although I am still not certain as to the nature of the liquid. I expect it is more complicated than just dumping an acid into a juice. And you would want to reach a pH of 8-9 before you had significant salt formation.

 

[Kurt]

HCl is not a problem. It is the best way to make the nicotine salt (nicotine hydrochloride). Chloride is not toxic, and as long as the HCl is neutralized, there is no problem there.

 

[nicnik]

HCl is not a problem. It is the best way to make the nicotine salt (nicotine hydrochloride). Chloride is not toxic, and as long as the HCl is neutralized, there is no problem there.

Hmmm..."neutralized". I guess you mean neutralized by the high PH of the nicotine. Off to look up info...

 

[caramel]

not a chemistry guru, but neutralized here means "completely consumed in a reaction with nicotine" i.e. there is enough nic in the solution as to allow all existing HCl molecules to react with it and produce a salt. In other words, there's no HCl left, it has all reacted.

 

[nicnik]

not a chemistry guru, but neutralized here means "completely consumed in a reaction with nicotine" i.e. there is enough nic in the solution as to allow all existing HCl molecules to react with it and produce a salt. In other words, there's no HCl left, it has all reacted.

Thanks for that. I think you're right.

 

[nicnik]

They have an offer of 25% off for first purchase. It's near the top of their homepage, and at the bottom of shopping pages.

Another thing to note, on one page they say it's 5.0% nic strength, and on another 5.9%. I think I saw on another page that it's 5mg nic per pod and each pod contains 0.8ml liquid. If I'm using my calculatoer correctly, that comes out to 6.25% nic.

 

[stevegmu]

The lady at Sheetz never heard of them...

 

[zoiDman]

The lady at Sheetz never heard of them...

Damn.

 

[DC2]

I called my nearest Circle K and they don't have them.

 

[stevegmu]

I don't think they have been released for sale to retailers yet; just their online store... They make a fine vaporizer, from what I have heard, so I'm sure the Juul is high quality...

 

[MrKai]

Well...glad I got you all thinking. That said — I've run out of "pods" and man...my old stuff is like...'meh'. It is without question, not the same.

I look forward to other opinions...

-K

 

[navigator2011]

How many pods per day did you find yourself using? Was there a flavor you found better than the others?

 

[Kurt]

Hmmm..."neutralized". I guess you mean neutralized by the high PH of the nicotine. Off to look up info...

Typical pH of nicotine base liquid is between 10 and 10.5, depending on the concentration. pKa of nicotinium is (if I recall correctly) about 8.0. At this pH, the composition would be 50% free-base, 50% salt form. In chemistry this is called the half-equivalence point...the pH where 1/2 the base is neutralized into its salt form. If you want to understand this better, any college general chemistry book will have it. In this case, you want to read on weak base titrations. Its not hard stuff, but it tends to confuse even good college students at first.

 

[Rossum]

Somebody should measure the pH of the Juul juice.

 

[Caro123]

http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/03/pax-labs-juul-e-cigarette

Seems their differentiator is that they have mixed nicotine with 'salts' and other stuff to create the traditional 'high' normally associated with cigarettes.

I smoked tobacco for 40 years -granted it was Canadian tobacco but I don't ever once recall getting a high the op must be smoking that other product

 

[nicnik]

I know Vermont Vapor uses citric acid to adjust the pH of their DIY nicotine base, down to about pH 8, which would be a significant amount of citrate salt form compared to free-base form. I have always found that nic to be particularly satisfying, also tastes really good, but I don't know if this is why. It would depend on how solvated the salt is in VG vapor droplets (they only use VG and water, no PG). I don't know if studies have been done on this. Would be expensive to analyze.

After reading this, I thought I'd try that Vermont Vaper nicotine, but I couldn't believe how expensive it is.

 

[zoiDman]

Somebody should measure the pH of the Juul juice.

I think I have some Strips laying around somewhere.

Just No Juul Juice.

LOL

 

[DC2]

I smoked tobacco for 40 years -granted it was Canadian tobacco but I don't ever once recall getting a high the op must be smoking that other product

There are a lot of people that never got any kind of "high" from nicotine.
And there are quite a few that I guess feel they did.

This only adds further support to the fact that everything about "smoking" is different.
Different for me, different for you, different for everyone.

A big problem is that so many of US think it's all the same.
Nicotine, additives, MAOIs, the habit, the ritual, the hand to mouth...

Yeah, it's all the same.
Sure it is.

Over time we come to know better, or at least many of us do.

And a bigger problem is that so many of the public are SURE it's all the same.
And the biggest problem is that our enemies have succeeded in making us believe it's all the same.

30 years of brainwashing.
And it's almost all false facts we've been fed.

It's not all the same.
It never was.

 

[Caro123]

There are a lot of people that never got any kind of "high" from nicotine.
And there are quite a few that I guess feel they did.

This only adds further support to the fact that everything about "smoking" is different.
Different for me, different for you, different for everyone.

A big problem is that so many of US think it's all the same.
Nicotine, additives, MAOIs, the habit, the ritual, the hand to mouth...

Yeah, it's all the same.
Sure it is.

Over time we come to know better, or at least many of us do.

And a bigger problem is that so many of the public are SURE it's all the same.
And the biggest problem is that our enemies have succeeded in making us believe it's all the same.

30 years of brainwashing.
And it's almost all false facts we've been fed.

It's not all the same.
It never was.

I would be very curious to see a survey from those who say they achieved a "high" from straight tobacco and where they bought the stuff and what company made it. Smoking is certainly different. Many people smoke tobacco for numerous reason and I am absolutely positive that tremendous BS has been bandied about regarding tobacco smoking. I have no doubt at all that a person would need to sit down because they felt dizzy if they hadn't had a smoke for a few days and then had one. I have no doubts at all about an Mao effect, nor hand to mouth, the sense of relaxation etc and the obsessive compulsive rituals that I would call psychologically addictions. But I would be very interested in any study saying straight tobacco produced a "high" anymore than I would attribute a high to caffeine. No disrespect intended to anyone's feelings/thoughts BUT if their are those saying this I would wonder IF it would only be true for those who had used another product. Heaven knows it is not my job nor my intention to tell or believe what someone else wants to use or say BUT to say straight tobacco (without any previous use of other product) causes a buzz or a high confuses the issue and results in people taking the wrong kind of antibiotic to kill the germ.

Our local university is currently doing a study and using those same terms "why do some people smoke-why is it harder for some to quit- what high etc do some feel etc" which leads me to wonder if the new BS being bandied about and added to the wealth of nonsense about tobacco is the high from tobacco, perhaps in the interest of science I need to find out what questions the university is asking of their study participants because I can guarantee you no one I know who used/uses straight tobacco would use the words "high" when referring to straight tobacco use.

 

[caramel]

Possibly they want to stick the word "high" to it then declare it to be similar to {other stuff} and thus needs to be regulated similarly.