Another ZMax vs Provari thread...

[Thrasher]

then i must have mistook what you were saying kiwi, just the way you stated you set watts over volts and or have to math it out - no probs.

Im sure ZEN (the brains at prov) is looking very carefully at this latest movement and trying to see if it's something that is worth implementing. who knows...... as someone who has a VW device i just really dont see this awesome improvement in vaping experience some people are presenting.
but then i dont even screw on an atty till i test the coil laying on the table and have it where i want it(or close)

 

[kiwivap]

then i must have mistook what you were saying kiwi, just the way you stated you set watts over volts and or have to math it out - no probs.

Im sure ZEN (the brains at prov) is looking very carefully at this latest movement and trying to see if it's something that is worth implementing. who knows...... as someone who has a VW device i just really dont see this awesome improvement in vaping experience some people are presenting.
but then i dont even screw on an atty till i test the coil laying on the table and have it where i want it(or close)

Ah. Well for me, in my personal use, I do set watts over volts. I rarely use the variable voltage. It's not about having a particular watt value that I must have all the time. I just prefer adjusting watts, and the rest takes care of itself.
I don't want to do math before I vape something if there's a way not to. If you saw me first thing in the morning you'd get why I prefer watts. Its not that I don't have to use math in my life, but for vaping I use vw over vv. I mean, I have both on the same pv and I know which I prefer.
I haven't seen people presenting an "awesome improvement in vaping experience" - if by that you mean the actual vaping taste, vapor production etc. Although I have read that in AVG mode with 2x 18350 the Zmax can be pretty powerful and give quite a vape. More than I would want tho. What I've been reading is that people find it very convenient, and like being able to switch accessories or change the power without having to worry about the volts and ohms match. And I do get a very good vape from it.

 

[junkman]

then i must have mistook what you were saying kiwi, just the way you stated you set watts over volts and or have to math it out - no probs.

Im sure ZEN (the brains at prov) is looking very carefully at this latest movement and trying to see if it's something that is worth implementing. who knows...... as someone who has a VW device i just really dont see this awesome improvement in vaping experience some people are presenting.
but then i dont even screw on an atty till i test the coil laying on the table and have it where i want it(or close)

I don't see it as an "awesome improvement in vaping experience" because in the end either system will get you where you want to be. I do see it easier, more convenient, and more logical. Therefore I believe that it is the way of the future, and therefore not a fad.

I also don't understand why anyone would complain or have negative attitude about what is essentially a control system. The only reason I can think of is that their preferred device doesn't offer it, and therefore there is some resentment perhaps.

But as I said above, and many other times, a device having VW is not inherently better than another device that has only VV. There are a lot of other factors, obviously.

And regarding Zen/Provape - I didn't realize that Zen was behind Provape. Is that correct? I thought Zen was an independent modder?

 

[Baditude]

Are people hating on math now?

I've always hated math!

From what I've read about the merits of V W, I don't see a benefit for my personal use. All my cartotanks use 3.0 ohm cartos. I know pretty much what voltage each one of my juices taste best at and I adjust accordingly. Only takes me 10 seconds. I can live with that.

As others have pointed out, V W is of benefit to them. Everybody vape happy.

 

[dsy5]

I've always hated math!

From what I've read about the merits of V W, I don't see a benefit for my personal use. All my cartotanks use 3.0 ohm cartos. I know pretty much what voltage each one of my juices taste best at and I adjust accordingly. Only takes me 10 seconds. I can live with that.

As others have pointed out, V W is of benefit to them. Everybody vape happy.

Just my 2 cents, I own both a Provari and a Zmax v2, and they both are good at what they do. VW is nice, but with VV you can actually get more of a fine tuned wattage. Not saying that .5 watts adjustment at a time is a limitation, you may not even notice the difference of .2 or .3 watts, but with VV you can get that "in between".

Now if you put the Zmax into voltage mode, you can do the same. The band-wagon for VW may be there in the sense of ease of use, but how difficult is it to just set something by how it tastes and vapes for you.

Not all tanks, cartos, clearos and the like taste the same at the same wattage, either, so you still have to set the device whether it is VW or VV.

 

[kiwivap]

Not all tanks, cartos, clearos and the like taste the same at the same wattage, either, so you still have to set the device whether it is VW or VV.

Yes. What I like is just changing watts and not having to check volts/ohms when I do. Sometimes I crank it up a bit for a juice, and I find it nice and easy just changing the power.

 

[junkman]

Just my 2 cents, I own both a Provari and a Zmax v2, and they both are good at what they do. VW is nice, but with VV you can actually get more of a fine tuned wattage. Not saying that .5 watts adjustment at a time is a limitation, you may not even notice the difference of .2 or .3 watts, but with VV you can get that "in between".

Now if you put the Zmax into voltage mode, you can do the same. The band-wagon for VW may be there in the sense of ease of use, but how difficult is it to just set something by how it tastes and vapes for you.

Not all tanks, cartos, clearos and the like taste the same at the same wattage, either, so you still have to set the device whether it is VW or VV.

In general, a 1/10 volt difference will be finer than a 0.5 watt difference, but not always. At lower resistances they are very close and at some points 1/10 of volt is greater than 0.5 watts. But for typical resistances 1/10th of a volt can get "in between".

However, while most VW devices (and the zmax as is being discussed in this thread) currently out there are adjustable in 0.5 watt increments, I believe the Kick is not limited to 0.5 watt adjustments, but is continuously adjustable within it's range, much like a twist or spinner for VV. I would think that a VW twist or spinner is on the horizon. As far as digital controlled units like a zmax, I would think they could be made with 0.25 watt increments, as well if people were not happy with the with half watt adjustments.

 

[gimmieshelter31]

This is a subject that has been gone over and over and over and over. You just need to make a decision. If you feel you made the wrong one ,start saving again.
I tell you what, ask your friend to give you a great deal on his "inferior" ProV since "VW is were it's at".

 

[dsy5]

I believe the Kick is not limited to 0.5 watt adjustments, but is continuously adjustable within it's range,

I agree with you on the Kick, it would be continually adjustable within it's range, although it would have the same limitations with lower resistances. But, unless it had a precision pot with multi-turns (and it may well have - I don't own one, but the pictures of it seem to suggest no), the fine resolution may not be all that good.

 

[Thrasher]

I don't see it as an "awesome improvement in vaping experience" because in the end either system will get you where you want to be. I do see it easier, more convenient, and more logical. Therefore I believe that it is the way of the future, and therefore not a fad.

I also don't understand why anyone would complain or have negative attitude about what is essentially a control system. The only reason I can think of is that their preferred device doesn't offer it, and therefore there is some resentment perhaps.

But as I said above, and many other times, a device having VW is not inherently better than another device that has only VV. There are a lot of other factors, obviously.

And regarding Zen/Provape - I didn't realize that Zen was behind Provape. Is that correct? I thought Zen was an independent modder?

actually i may have misspoken (typing while not thinking) i do know zen works closely with provape but i do not know for sure if he is involved with day to day anything there.

not accusing anyone but its not so much defending my choice because it doesn't offer this feature and there is jealousy and im butthurt, as much as it is getting tired of hearing my choice is crap now, not worth the money or just plain worthless because it now lacks this feature is all.

i own several mods/vaping supplies from cheap as dirt to nice and pricey, and this is the first time I heard(last few weeks) that suddenly a provari is junk because its not following the newest trend of the chinese mass produced stuff by so many people, not saying you guys are guilty of this. it just gets annoying.
to be fair im a true neutral person if every single person bashed the zmax i would probably find a way to try and defend it also.
(i know, weird huh)

 

[dsy5]

Back in the old days, if you asked somebody what they thought of VW's, they would tell you they wouldn't buy any of that junk from Germany...

 

[dsy5]

And regarding Zen/Provape - I didn't realize that Zen was behind Provape. Is that correct? I thought Zen was an independent modder?

Zen isn't behind Provape, he is just supplying the Z-Atty Pro to them. Diversity...

 

[junkman]

actually i may have misspoken (typing while not thinking) i do know zen works closely with provape but i do not know for sure if he is involved with day to day anything there.

not accusing anyone but its not so much defending my choice because it doesn't offer this feature and there is jealousy and im butthurt, as much as it is getting tired of hearing my choice is crap now, not worth the money or just plain worthless because it now lacks this feature is all.

i own several mods/vaping supplies from cheap as dirt to nice and pricey, and this is the first time I heard(last few weeks) that suddenly a provari is junk because its not following the newest trend of the chinese mass produced stuff by so many people, not saying you guys are guilty of this. it just gets annoying.
to be fair im a true neutral person if every single person bashed the zmax i would probably find a way to try and defend it also.
(i know, weird huh google the description to understand the behavior)

Obviously, anyone saying a provari is crap or worthless is an idiot. Not worth the money is is open to debate, although I think you can get a provari for pretty reasonable prices - $160? That seems pretty reasonable for a rock solid, extremely accurate and reliable, american made PV with good customer service.

Now, I don't really like the $20 up-charge for color options, but that is just me. The battery cap is a bit high too but that is not unusual in the market.

 

[kiwivap]

actually i may have misspoken (typing while not thinking) i do know zen works closely with provape but i do not know for sure if he is involved with day to day anything there.

not accusing anyone but its not so much defending my choice because it doesn't offer this feature and there is jealousy and im butthurt, as much as it is getting tired of hearing my choice is crap now, not worth the money or just plain worthless because it now lacks this feature is all.

I'm not hearing people say that tho. I haven't heard anyone say its worthless. Maybe you are reading things into the discussion?

 

[kiwivap]

I would think that a VW twist or spinner is on the horizon.

I've been wondering if we'll see this. The twist made vv very popular. Wondering what the watt limits would be on a smaller disposable if it had VW. Is it viable to do?

 

[junkman]

I agree with you on the Kick, it would be continually adjustable within it's range, although it would have the same limitations with lower resistances. But, unless it had a precision pot with multi-turns (and it may well have - I don't own one, but the pictures of it seem to suggest no), the fine resolution may not be all that good.

Yeah, I have one, but can't speak to actual fine resolution on it. I know that I can turn it where I want, but if the pot is actually that precise is another question. I haven't done any research on it though. Evolv's website is pretty general on it saying it can be adjusted between 5 and 10 watts and that is all.

 

[zapped]

VW allows direct control of the power output of your device. VV allows control of the power input. When you change your voltage, it is just an indirect method of changing the wattage. In the end it is "all about the wattage, maaan". When you use VV and change the voltage, you are in effect varying the wattage - but how much the wattage is changing will be dependent on the resistance of the coil, and therefore figuring out the amount of the change takes some memorization of ohms law and basic math.

OR you could just find a resistance that works for you and stick with it. Same goes for kiwivaps "accessories" (still not sure what hes actually alluding to that could change the resistance other than an atomizer).

I totally understand some people wanting variety and playing with RBA's but in the end VV is the simpler and more logical system, not the other way around. VW IS easier for people who make things more complicated to begin with.

Its like cell phones, some people have to have the newest phones with all the bells and whistles while some of us just want a phone that lets us make and receive calls. Of those two examples the phone with all the bells and whistles might not be here a year from now but I guarantee you the one that just makes and receives calls will.

 

[kiwivap]

OR you could just find a resistance that works for you and stick with it. Same goes for kiwivaps "accessories" (still not sure what hes actually alluding to that could change the resistance other than an atomizer).

I totally understand some people wanting variety and playing with RBA's but in the end VV is the simpler and more logical system, not the other way around. VW IS easier for people who make things more complicated to begin with.

I'm a she for starters. As I've already said, I don't do RBAs. Accessories - cartos, clearos, vivis at different ohms. I don't want to be stuck with one resistance when I can easily use different ones and not worry. As I also said previously, you keep representing VW users rather than listening to what they say their experience is. Its not more complicated for me. Its easier. I don't care if you don't like that for some reason, the fact is it easier for me, and less complicated.
Since I have VW and VV both on the same device I know which I find easier to use, and what I prefer. VW.
You seem quite intent on arguing against VW all the time, but have you even used it?

 

[junkman]

OR you could just find a resistance that works for you and stick with it. Same goes for kiwivaps "accessories" (still not sure what hes actually alluding to that could change the resistance other than an atomizer).

I totally understand some people wanting variety and playing with RBA's but in the end VV is the simpler and more logical system, not the other way around. VW IS easier for people who make things more complicated to begin with.

First you say find a resistance and stick with it.

Then you say you understand people wanting variety and "playing" with RBAs.

Then you just conclude that VV is simpler and more logical, despite the fact that the opposite is true.

 

[lewistein]

I struggle enough handling the vv with ohms calculations. Adding in vw to the mix, and it seems like too much hassle. I took the dive early on (*only a month and a half into vamping) and bough my Provari V2. I won't tape on anything else. With a Vivi Nova Clearomizer on it, I know what my volts need to be and never mess with the menu again other than to check the life of my atomizer. And I'm hard on my gear with shoving it into my pocket etc. I would highly recommend just going for it. Definitely won't have any regrets. And like many others say, it is definitely still cheaper than our cigarette habits in the long-haul.