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Before I switched, I lurked on ECF learning about what was in them, etc. I didn't want to use an ecig if it was "bad" for me. I checked with my internist, dentist and allergist. They asked me what was in them (I was prepared - thanks ECF). They all said the same thing, "Go for it". Now when I see them, they ask about it. They are pleased to see how much better I'm doing. Now, they do seem to know much more about them and are still just fine with me using them.
All of my doctors -- GP, CFS specialist, another internist -- love that I vape. Two asked a lot of questions about it, and accepted e-cig company cards from me to give to patients who might enquire about them.
I always vaped in my GP's exam room while waiting for my "turn."
I always vaped in my GP's exam room while waiting for my "turn."
Havenen't seen a GP since I started vaping, but my dentist and periodontist fully support it!
I have to have some major oral surgery in the next few weeks and asked my perio about the e-cig and nicotine regarding healing. He asked if I could use the patch instead (which he urges smokers to use when they have surgery) and I was like "nooooo". Turns out he didn't know a ton about e-cigs and was concerned about heat irritating the surgery site. I assured him the vapor wasn't hot and he was all thumbs up.
I have to have some major oral surgery in the next few weeks and asked my perio about the e-cig and nicotine regarding healing. He asked if I could use the patch instead (which he urges smokers to use when they have surgery) and I was like "nooooo". Turns out he didn't know a ton about e-cigs and was concerned about heat irritating the surgery site. I assured him the vapor wasn't hot and he was all thumbs up.
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My brother, a non-smoker, suggested e-cigarettes to me. (He's actually an ex-smoker who quit some years ago.) Knowing him, I'm sure he did a decent amount of research before saying anything to me. He had also asked his doctor what he thought. His doctor said that or would be better for me to quit, but barring that, he said that at this point he thought that using e cigs was better than continuing to smoke cigarettes. The doctor did say that more research was needed regarding the long-term consequences of vaping.
I did my own research and decided to give it a try, but my wife was adamantly against it, primarily because of all the bad press regarding the unknown long-term risks. (There had been State legislation proposed earlier this year so there had been a fair amount in the press.) Nothing I said made a difference. I was shocked at how firm her stance was and stumped as to how to proceed.
After letting the subject stew for a week and doing a lot more reading, I again broached the subject with her, explained my reasoning and told her that I really thought I should try it. She asked a lot of questions, which I answered as honestly as i could, giving her all points of view. She thought for a while and said "Call your doctor first and see what he says".
I called him the next day, and near as I can remember, he said "Do it. You need to get off cigarettes". Told my wife and she said "Okay.".
My kit came in last Thursday - on National Vape Day. So far so good. I haven't had a cigarette since.
I did my own research and decided to give it a try, but my wife was adamantly against it, primarily because of all the bad press regarding the unknown long-term risks. (There had been State legislation proposed earlier this year so there had been a fair amount in the press.) Nothing I said made a difference. I was shocked at how firm her stance was and stumped as to how to proceed.
After letting the subject stew for a week and doing a lot more reading, I again broached the subject with her, explained my reasoning and told her that I really thought I should try it. She asked a lot of questions, which I answered as honestly as i could, giving her all points of view. She thought for a while and said "Call your doctor first and see what he says".
I called him the next day, and near as I can remember, he said "Do it. You need to get off cigarettes". Told my wife and she said "Okay.".
My kit came in last Thursday - on National Vape Day. So far so good. I haven't had a cigarette since.
Both my family doctor and my oral surgeon recommended it to me, and they are both thrilled that I am now almost 5 months smoke-free. Especially my oral surgeon who diagnosed me with tongue cancer and told me that I CANNOT smoke anymore- I can't even be around second-hand smoke. When I went back for my follow-up I showed him my itaste V3 and he was very happy. Told me I did great and to keep it up.
Which will make it easy to mark your 1 year, 2 year and each successive year anniversary! Good on you for quitting analogs and well done for being gently persistent and honest with your wife. The WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) is a major consideration for nearly everything that happens in my home, which is a reality that I am more than happy to live with.
Did my doctor support my e-cig use?
I didn't give him a choice in the matter (other than telling him where to stick that prescription for Chantix he was about to give me).
I didn't give him a choice in the matter (other than telling him where to stick that prescription for Chantix he was about to give me).
Yup, they may have education regarding treating symptoms, but they're not God or our bosses. I don't understand why people put so much trust in them. Two of my last 3 doctors insisted I needed cholesterol meds because I was a high risk for cardio problems. Why? Because my grandfather died of a heart attack...at age 77 in 1980 and my brother had a drug induced heart attack. Yeah, wanna explain that to me? My cholesterol is only 176. The last one kept pestering me until I had a calcium check done. I scored a big fat zero and he finally shut up.
My Doc's are WAY SUPPORTIVE and want me to tell EVERYONE! LoL, they love the story of how I quit and how I no longer have to use 3 different inhalers/nebulizers...plus my lungs have improved tremendously
jdrewry,
Chantix - my Cardiologist is absolutely apposed to it. He said some recent studies/data have indicated some very negative side effects. He didn't expand on just what the potential problems were next time I think I will ask him for specifics just out of curiosity.
I tried Chantix on three different occasions and while it did reduce my desire to smoke it didn't stop me from smoking.
I don't want to put anyone off on Chantix because it does work for many folks. But it is expensive, one course of Chantix would buy you one complete Provari setup and enough e-juice to keep you going for six months.
For me Chantix side effects, namely, terrible nightmares is something I don't ever want to deal with again and thanks to accidently stumbling onto Vaping it looks like I will never have to worry about that again (knock on wood) - EVER.
The thing I don't understand about Vaping is the way (at least for me) it almost immediately takes away the desire for analogs. I tend to look for the whys of everything and this immediate lack of desire for an Analog just defies my sense of reason. I smoked Analogs for over 55 years and to have something enter my life and just turn off this very long term habit kind of defies reason IMHO.
YES - I know that I am still satisfying the nicotine addiction but smoking vs vaping seems to indicate something more... Chantix didn't work, Gum didn't work and patches didn't work. Then along comes this thing called vaping and for the first time in over 55 years there is not a Cigarette in my house nor the desire to use one - and I still don't have a clue how it works. All I know is it does.
Sorry for getting so long winded but I am just so pleased with vaping (not to mention my Cardiologist) that when I get to talking about it I go a little overboard.
Chantix - my Cardiologist is absolutely apposed to it. He said some recent studies/data have indicated some very negative side effects. He didn't expand on just what the potential problems were next time I think I will ask him for specifics just out of curiosity.
I tried Chantix on three different occasions and while it did reduce my desire to smoke it didn't stop me from smoking.
I don't want to put anyone off on Chantix because it does work for many folks. But it is expensive, one course of Chantix would buy you one complete Provari setup and enough e-juice to keep you going for six months.
For me Chantix side effects, namely, terrible nightmares is something I don't ever want to deal with again and thanks to accidently stumbling onto Vaping it looks like I will never have to worry about that again (knock on wood) - EVER.
The thing I don't understand about Vaping is the way (at least for me) it almost immediately takes away the desire for analogs. I tend to look for the whys of everything and this immediate lack of desire for an Analog just defies my sense of reason. I smoked Analogs for over 55 years and to have something enter my life and just turn off this very long term habit kind of defies reason IMHO.
YES - I know that I am still satisfying the nicotine addiction but smoking vs vaping seems to indicate something more... Chantix didn't work, Gum didn't work and patches didn't work. Then along comes this thing called vaping and for the first time in over 55 years there is not a Cigarette in my house nor the desire to use one - and I still don't have a clue how it works. All I know is it does.
Sorry for getting so long winded but I am just so pleased with vaping (not to mention my Cardiologist) that when I get to talking about it I go a little overboard.
My cardiologist, urologist, and chiropractor are all ecstatic I am Vaping instead of smoking.
My mother on the other hand thinks I may be ODing on nic. Lol. She just don't understand.
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My mother on the other hand thinks I may be ODing on nic. Lol. She just don't understand.
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Bernie,
I can sympathize with your mother. When I first looked at vaping I talked the clerks ear off. I kept looking at this e-liquid and reading the label... 24 mg/ml nicotine, if you get it on your skin make sure you wash it off... etc.
I was really scarred to try it. Then I thought about what the smokes were doing to me and all the other unmentionable chemicals I have ingested and thought what the heck.
Then I started reading here and other places about how you really get less nicotine vaping vs smoking which made me feel even more comfortable with it. Albeit I don't understand how something that gives you less nicotine can be more satisfying then a cigarette which if the claims are correct give you more of the drug you are addicted to.
I can sympathize with your mother. When I first looked at vaping I talked the clerks ear off. I kept looking at this e-liquid and reading the label... 24 mg/ml nicotine, if you get it on your skin make sure you wash it off... etc.
I was really scarred to try it. Then I thought about what the smokes were doing to me and all the other unmentionable chemicals I have ingested and thought what the heck.
Then I started reading here and other places about how you really get less nicotine vaping vs smoking which made me feel even more comfortable with it. Albeit I don't understand how something that gives you less nicotine can be more satisfying then a cigarette which if the claims are correct give you more of the drug you are addicted to.
Healthcare professionals can't yet officially recommend e-cigs because they are not therapeutic. Depending on the laws of the state in which they practice, doing so could result in them losing their license.
Example: Physician recommends switching to electronic cigarettes to a patient. Patient does so and contracts lung cancer anyway. Patient sues for malpractice.
Engineers, accountants, attorneys and other professionals also work within their Standards of Practice. SoP's are means of professional self-regulation. Usually, when you see a healthcare professional interviewed regarding e-cig use, you will see them providing both sides. They will likely point out that while e-cigs appear to be much safer than smoking, there is very little clinical research yet on the risks associated with them (both are truths). And they will stop short of saying that smokers SHOULD switch.
Rather, they might say something like mine did: "If you're serious about quitting smoking, they're worthy of your consideration, as are the patches, gum and other approved NRT's."
Example: Physician recommends switching to electronic cigarettes to a patient. Patient does so and contracts lung cancer anyway. Patient sues for malpractice.
Engineers, accountants, attorneys and other professionals also work within their Standards of Practice. SoP's are means of professional self-regulation. Usually, when you see a healthcare professional interviewed regarding e-cig use, you will see them providing both sides. They will likely point out that while e-cigs appear to be much safer than smoking, there is very little clinical research yet on the risks associated with them (both are truths). And they will stop short of saying that smokers SHOULD switch.
Rather, they might say something like mine did: "If you're serious about quitting smoking, they're worthy of your consideration, as are the patches, gum and other approved NRT's."
Quite right.
Most matters of healthcare revolve around "risk reduction". A bad diet? It increases the patient's risk factors for various diseases and conditions. And so, the MD will counsel that the patient "reduce their risk factors" by altering their diet accordingly.
To some, it may seem like a game of semantics, and in some ways it is. But (as you pointed out) there is no certain "if you do _____, you WILL get ______". And so, doctors will phrase their recommendations very carefully.
Oh, and that reminds me of something that my MD once told me.
Do you know the three most dangerous words in healthcare? "Recent studies indicate".
Everyone wants guarantees in life. People think that they're not smart enough to make a decision in their lives so they relegate the responsibility to someone who they think knows better than themselves.
When you're diagnosed with a serious illness, doctors will tell you what your odds are of survival. But it's ultimately your decision to follow the course of treatment or not. Doctors will NOT take responsibility for the outcome, all they can do is to tell you they will do everything in their power to help you. Most people interpret this to be a guarantee that if I'm a good boy/girl and do everything I'm told to do, I will make it.
When you're diagnosed with a serious illness, doctors will tell you what your odds are of survival. But it's ultimately your decision to follow the course of treatment or not. Doctors will NOT take responsibility for the outcome, all they can do is to tell you they will do everything in their power to help you. Most people interpret this to be a guarantee that if I'm a good boy/girl and do everything I'm told to do, I will make it.
RosaJ,
It is almost universal the if a "Doctor says" it is therefor the Gospel.
Like the one poster said his doctor said yes but it still contains nicotine like that is the bad thing. The same doctor would probably recommend nic gum or nic patches.
I have been on this planet a long time and my experience says that not all Doctors are created equal i.e. get a second/third opinion.
Any WEB search will tell you that while nicotine is very addictive it is probably the least offensive chemical in a cigarette as far as health concerns go. And their are many searches that will tell you, from reliable sources, that nicotine is not a carcinogen.
All one has to do is search this site for all the positive results obtained form vaping. There are the few that do find they have some allergy to PG but I take some of those with a grain of salt considering it the person that makes that claim used salad dressing (a multitude of other food item), Shampoo, soap, mouth wash... etc which many of contain PG.
Then do a search on ECF and read about all the folks that now don't cough all the time, wheeze when they breath, wake up in the morning with the feeling of a hangover from too many cigarettes the day before. All I can say is these symptoms of smoking were very true for me but now with vaping they have all disappeared. The lack of wheezing was also verified by my cardiologist so that was not just something I am imaging.
Anyway I think I strayed off a little, what I wanted to say is I agree with you and if you take the comments one or two doctors as absolute you are doing yourself an injustice (some Doctors, not all, have an over inflated ego and that they know more then they really do). If switching to Vaping make you overall feel better an un-scientific conclusion is it has to be doing less harm to you - even if you still have the nicotine addiction IMHO.
It is almost universal the if a "Doctor says" it is therefor the Gospel.
Like the one poster said his doctor said yes but it still contains nicotine like that is the bad thing. The same doctor would probably recommend nic gum or nic patches.
I have been on this planet a long time and my experience says that not all Doctors are created equal i.e. get a second/third opinion.
Any WEB search will tell you that while nicotine is very addictive it is probably the least offensive chemical in a cigarette as far as health concerns go. And their are many searches that will tell you, from reliable sources, that nicotine is not a carcinogen.
All one has to do is search this site for all the positive results obtained form vaping. There are the few that do find they have some allergy to PG but I take some of those with a grain of salt considering it the person that makes that claim used salad dressing (a multitude of other food item), Shampoo, soap, mouth wash... etc which many of contain PG.
Then do a search on ECF and read about all the folks that now don't cough all the time, wheeze when they breath, wake up in the morning with the feeling of a hangover from too many cigarettes the day before. All I can say is these symptoms of smoking were very true for me but now with vaping they have all disappeared. The lack of wheezing was also verified by my cardiologist so that was not just something I am imaging.
Anyway I think I strayed off a little, what I wanted to say is I agree with you and if you take the comments one or two doctors as absolute you are doing yourself an injustice (some Doctors, not all, have an over inflated ego and that they know more then they really do). If switching to Vaping make you overall feel better an un-scientific conclusion is it has to be doing less harm to you - even if you still have the nicotine addiction IMHO.
I think the reason it works so well, it mimics the actual smoking HABIT. We developed that habit over a long period of time. Stressed? Take a time out and bring hand to mouth. Relaxing? Take a time out and bring hand to mouth. Driving? Take time out and bring hand to mouth. Thinking out a problem at work? Take time out and bring hand to mouth.
Smoking was OUR time to just check out for a bit, and while we did that, we were bringing our hand to mouth, smoke left our lips in a tangible way.
There's a reason we vapers are such nice people
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