Are you for or against being able to vape indoors in public places?

[Jode]

Exactly! You and i do not know. It's always proper to err on the side of caution and respect...not vape and wait for someone to take issue with it as most people are non confrontational and wouldn't raise issue even though it offenders them. They will just leave and never return...perhaps.

If a person has a problem with anything I do, whether it be vaping, the perfume I have on, or the way I choose to let my children behave, and they are too bashful to say anything it remains their problem. If they have not approached me they have not given me opportunity to choose my next action. I may say "Oh, Im sorry, I will respect you because you respected me and stop action". Or I may tell them to take a hike if what I was doing had nothing to do with them, but if they choose not to say anything I am not aware there is any problem and have to believe there is not or not bothersome enough to be asked to stop. Look, I am one of a large Deaf/HoH family. We sign and we are loud. We do not do it to be obnoxious, but rather so we can hear and communicate with each other. I have been approached by some asking if we can quiet down and I always apologize ( not cause it is wrong, but because I hate to bother others and am polite for most part) and explain. Most change their position and if vape was replaced with loudness and I was given the chance to briefly explain I feel most would also change their position. At the very least I would know that I was upsetting somebody else and then be able to choose my reaction same as I could choose to try to keep my families volume down by the ones that hear better monitoring it or keep on enjoying ourselves as we need to as is our right.

 

[SleeZy]

No, I do not agree! How are they ever going to know what vaping is, and how benign it is, if no one ever does it around them???? If all they ever hear about are "cloud chasers," how are they going to know what a minority cloud chasers really are?????

I'm EXTREMELY annoyed by perfume and diesel fumes... but that doesn't mean the whole damn world has to stop wearing perfume and stop driving diesel vehicles!

And far as I'm concerned, the smell of ANY vapor could only IMPROVE the reek in every hospital in the world -- does anyone really want to smell disinfectant, sickness, and overcooked broccoli all mixed together!?!?!?! I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!

Andria

This is hard to achive with about 2-3k vapers of a 9milion population. Atleast in sweden. :/
Esp since the media is only mention the bad things with vaping (most of it all false)

Realy tiring to try learn ppl what it realy is about, but i do my best. (Public vaping here draws huuuge attention, atleast in my town.)

 

[Caro123]

I do agree with everyone saying it's not smoking.

But if it's not smoking allowed i respect that. Only exception would be the bars where i always ask the manager before if i'm allowed to vape.
But in malls and what not, i feel disrespectful for some reason. I mean even if second hand vapor is basicly non existent (as far as we know it atm) Others doesn't know what it is and it just feel wrong to let other people inhale my secondhand vape.

At the bars i feel more comfortable, perhaps due smoking used to be allowed there earlier. It's a diffrent "setting" or how i should call it.

On the other hand i also agree with that if we follow the smokers path, we will also be considered/treated as smokers. So it's a hard line to draw IMO.

Edit: My opinion is also slightly biased or how i should call it. Due there's only like 5-6 vapers i've ever seen in my town. And in sweden as a whole our community is about 2k members.. so it's quite small thing here still.

dare I suggest that the " for some reason" is because you are of an age that tobacco use and those smoking was subtly and often times not so subtly demonized ad nauseum, little pregnant moms were terrorized into thinking one whiff of tobacco and their infants would be scared for life dirty and nasty pictures were splattered over cig packages and little kids in school were advised to cough when daddy lit up the crap hit the fan somewhere around 1970 and became progressively worse - I just wonder SleeZy - not making a judgement call but truly just wondering

 

[Caro123]

This is hard to achive with about 2-3k vapers of a 9milion population. Atleast in sweden. :/
Esp since the media is only mention the bad things with vaping (most of it all false)

Realy tiring to try learn ppl what it realy is about, but i do my best. (Public vaping here draws huuuge attention, atleast in my town.)

is snus also given such a hard time or is it encouraged?

 

[SleeZy]

dare I suggest that the " for some reason" is because you are of an age that tobacco use and those smoking was subtly and often times not so subtly demonized ad nauseum, little pregnant moms were terrorized into thinking one whiff of tobacco and their infants would be scared for life dirty and nasty pictures were splattered over cig packages and little kids in school were advised to cough when daddy lit up the crap hit the fan somewhere around 1970 and became progressively worse - I just wonder SleeZy - not making a judgement call but truly just wondering

I think you nailed it.
Not the school part though, but yea it's demonized. Being a smoker especially in sweden is kinda frowned upon just due we've snus which is considered (and it is) a better alternative. But i never feelt for the snus to be of my liking. I much prefer smoking. And if vaping wasn't here i would never stop either i think. As i realy enjoyed smoking so i could'nt realy quit on my own, because i didn't realy WANT to. With vaping i can continue with what i like in a safer manner.

I think around the 90s smoking began to being looked down on and demonized.

Edit:

is snus also given such a hard time or is it encouraged?

I'd say neither.

It's not encouraged yet it's not demonized either.
(fun fact where i come from basicly every teenager boys would use snus ^^ i'm from the northen sweden where snus is used way more than the southern parts)

 

[beckdg]

Hi, its just because vaping can be annoying to others. Nobody needs to smell our e-liquids if they don't want to... Plus, vaping in places were smoking is prohibited will be bad for our cause... Don't you agree?


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Nope

(Un) common courtesy is one thing.

Chastising the entire community is another.

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[Jode]

This is a really good question ... I feel a lot like what Andria said. I know for sure now that I have a sub ohm unit and a beast of a clearo to match that my current 60 watt antics are just too ridiculous to vape indoors. I'm even annoyed at how long my new clouds are blocking the tv and making my apartment look like a Sherlock Holmes evening in London ... Funny thing too is that non smoking analog complainers always talked about second hand smoke as pertains usually to their fear of coughing, odor, or Cancer ... Ironically in my mind is the fact that if you produce really heavy clouds around you ,you can feel the 'coolness' and a fast 'wetness' for a micro second ... This made me start thinking about second hand vape clouds as more germ carriers than anything else .One second it's in my lungs and my mouth ... the next second it's draping all over your Porterhouse and mashed potatoes ... I'm tending to lean to straight stealth vaping with my VTR and just use my 180S at home ...

And I believe that most cloud chaser would choose the same. Sometimes we give an unfair image to cloud chasers that they are automatically rude. Some are, some aren't just like everything else. I have yet to see any vaper being disrespectful in a public space. If we act like if we are suddenly given free will to vape where ever, when ever all of a sudden us evil vapers will be blowing clouds in the innocent faces of babies. I have thought of the germ thing myself so although I do vape inside I don't tend to exhale in anybody's (baby to ancient) face/direction. That is unless they ask to smell the vape.

 

[Jode]

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Your lungs only have so much capacity. That huge cloud is no bigger than the air you'd otherwise exhale and carries no more germs. Why oh why are we so freaked out about visible breath?

Not that anybody needs my defense, but I didn't take that as a freak out. And we exhale vapor in a different way then we breath normally. Not saying it has more germs, but just as many would suffice, therefore, blowing any breath or vape into somebody else direction intentionally is kind of icky. Even a blown kiss rom somebody with halitosis is rather stomach churning. hahaha We see vapor so these thoughts come up.

 

[AndriaD]

This is hard to achive with about 2-3k vapers of a 9milion population. Atleast in sweden. :/
Esp since the media is only mention the bad things with vaping (most of it all false)

Realy tiring to try learn ppl what it realy is about, but i do my best. (Public vaping here draws huuuge attention, atleast in my town.)

There are possibly 2-3k vapers *in my town!* Maybe more; there seems to be a new vape shop springing up every week or so, and there's already a good half-dozen (or more) within a 10-15 min drive.

The Metro Atlanta area is comprised of 9 counties; a population of probably 10 million people (or more!) -- more than 5 million, that's for SURE! (I think there are probably more than 5 million "in the Atlanta city limits!*) Most people around here don't even look or notice if someone is vaping -- it's certainly not unique, and neither are smokers -- they're all over the place, and as usual, they're hanging outdoors -- it's only fair that vaping be done publically, to allow people to see and smell it for themselves; the clouds may be bigger, but the scent? Not even 1/10th as smelly as cigarette smoke, and probably not 1/100th as potentially harmful.

It's high time for the TRUTH to be known -- "secondhand vapor" is a non-problem, non-issue, non-hazard.

Andria

 

[Jode]

Right! And outdoors in the winter, EVERYONE'S breath is visible, and nobody wigs out about it, except maybe dogs!

Andria

True Andria, but I don't think he/she was wigging out either. If somebody in cold air blew it in your direction so it reached your face you wouldn't make an ick face? I would but I don't want others that close to me.

 

[SleeZy]

There are possibly 2-3k vapers *in my town!* Maybe more; there seems to be a new vape shop springing up every week or so, and there's already a good half-dozen (or more) within a 10-15 min drive.

The Metro Atlanta area is comprised of 9 counties; a population of probably 10 million people (or more!) -- more than 5 million, that's for SURE! (I think there are probably more than 5 million "in the Atlanta city limits!*) Most people around here don't even look or notice if someone is vaping -- it's certainly not unique, and neither are smokers -- they're all over the place, and as usual, they're hanging outdoors -- it's only fair that vaping be done publically, to allow people to see and smell it for themselves; the clouds may be bigger, but the scent? Not even 1/10th as smelly as cigarette smoke, and probably not 1/100th as potentially harmful.

It's high time for the TRUTH to be known -- "secondhand vapor" is a non-problem, non-issue, non-hazard.

Andria

Yea i'm with you, and i'm jealous of the vape status in the US aswell as the UK (both countries are leading in the vaping scene)
That's also why i said my comment might be abit biased.
We've to small community yet, in sweden.

 

[Jode]

Ok maybe a bit off subject here - do you actually think that your stated or even thought opinion is going to change anothers??

Sometimes yes, and mine is sometimes changed when reading or learning other POV's

 

[motordude]

Sometimes yes, and mine is sometimes changed when reading or learning other POV's

I good open discussion is a hard thing to find anymore. That's why I truly enjoy this forum.

 

[AndriaD]

Yea i'm with you, and i'm jealous of the vape status in the US aswell as the UK (both countries are leading in the vaping scene)
That's also why i said my comment might be abit biased.
We've to small community yet, in sweden.

Well, I don't actually ever see vaping indoors, except at vape shops -- and maybe that's one reason why there are no "bans," per se, here in GA -- in the south, we automatically practice this thing called 'courtesy' -- our mamas and grandmothers and aunts and everybody else drills it into us from day one; that one may or may not be many things, but courtesy is always required, so it becomes the "regular" way to do anything. As I always told my son when he was in school -- I don't expect you to always be a genius and make straight-A's, but I do expect you to always be NICE -- it doesn't cost any extra.

You'd think with this many vapers around, and the lack of bans on indoor vaping, that every public place you entered would be as fogbound as a vape shop -- but they're not. Which tells me that the vapers around here are probably doing it much as I do -- mostly refraining, but when it is necessary for whatever reason to vape indoors, it is done discreetly and courteously -- and nobody makes a fuss about it.

It *could* be that way everywhere.

Andria

 

[SleeZy]

I good open discussion is a hard thing to find anymore. That's why I truly enjoy this forum.

Agreed!

 

[SleeZy]

Well, I don't actually ever see vaping indoors, except at vape shops -- and maybe that's one reason why there are no "bans," per se, here in GA -- in the south, we automatically practice this thing called 'courtesy' -- our mamas and grandmothers and aunts and everybody else drills it into us from day one; that one may or may not be many things, but courtesy is always required, so it becomes the "regular" way to do anything. As I always told my son when he was in school -- I don't expect you to always be a genius and make straight-A's, but I do expect you to always be NICE -- it doesn't cost any extra.

You'd think with this many vapers around, and the lack of bans on indoor vaping, that every public place you entered would be as fogbound as a vape shop -- but they're not. Which tells me that the vapers around here are probably doing it much as I do -- mostly refraining, but when it is necessary for whatever reason to vape indoors, it is done discreetly and courteously -- and nobody makes a fuss about it.

It *could* be that way everywhere.

Andria

Courtesy is a good thing though, it's the same around here.

 

[motordude]

We do have "vape friendly" restaurants in this area. But have yet to see anybody vaping in them, besides myself.

 

[SleeZy]

We do have "vape friendly" restaurants in this area. But have yet to see anybody vaping in them, besides myself.

We've aswell or so i've been told but further down south of sweden. The vape community usualy try to arrange vape meets in those. I've yet to be able to attend though To far to travel for me. :/

In my town i'vent even asked if i could vape in a restaurant. Would just feel odd. But at the bars i do.

 

[vapeydave]

I say vape on. I find it difficult to regulate it rationally. Regulate for smell? What about poor hygiene and excessive perfume? For the "sight" of it? Consider free expression protects profanity on shirts, whorish apparel, and all sorts of lewd behavior. Don't want your kids to see it? Well turn on the TV and ads about boners and dry vaginas are no big deal. Whether it falls into tolerance or free speech I see no difference. Until it's undeniably proven harmful I say vape on. Otherwise I have a whole list of offensive crap I need banned.

 

[Sicrano]

Here in Portugal smokers still have bad habits: I see parents smoking in their cars with children's in the back... All vapers say that vaping is not smoking and that our rules must be different. I don't agree. Common people don't need to know that vaping is safer, why non smokers / non vapers would need that info? Can any vaper say, without the shadow of a doubt the that vaping or second hand vapor is 100% safe?

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