Right! And outdoors in the winter, EVERYONE'S breath is visible, and nobody wigs out about it, except maybe dogs!
Andria
Are you for or against being able to vape indoors in public places?
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Right! And outdoors in the winter, EVERYONE'S breath is visible, and nobody wigs out about it, except maybe dogs!
Andria
this is my favorite TV show:
My TV is in there if you can just look past the vapor, which is no more dangerous than the air I would otherwise exhale.
My TV is in there if you can just look past the vapor, which is no more dangerous than the air I would otherwise exhale.
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For me, it does depend on the rationale of the rule. I'm unlikely to engage in a prolonged debate, and fairly unlikely to have any discussion on the rule, though I for sure wouldn't rule it out.
But if the rule is stated to me and is based on rationale that I find to be ignorance, then first response (perhaps just to myself) is "now I know." Second response is, in some cases, I'm going to test this. If the rule is rational to me, my second response probably doesn't even occur to me.
To suggest some rules are not worth breaking or not worth testing, strikes me as "I find it impossible to believe you are consistent with that sort of stance." And I do mean impossible.
What if you are wrong? IOW, what if there is a good reason for the rule or the rule is based on something subjective but you either can't see it or don't agree on the subjective rationale? There are countless examples. In my line of work, medical billing, I find a crap ton of rules that don't make sense. I could test the rules and even break them because they are dumb. The likely result is that I will get away with it. But if I'm caught, I face some pretty severe repercussions. I find it better not to chance my freedom and the doctor's license in order to prove my point.
Some business owners have decided to disallow visible tattoos or piercings on employees. That's a pretty stupid rule as well, I think. But it's their business and the rationale is really irrelevant. That's just what they want. Again, why test or break the rules?
I don't bother with such things. If a business says no vaping, I respect that. I may never go back there again, but I'm not going to flout their rules simply because I disagree with them. To me, that's the free market in action. If a rule is truly stupid, it will go away when the business loses money. We see this now when some bars didn't want to install separate ventilation for smoking areas. Most of them changed that real quick.
If I don't receive the rationale, then I believe I am wrong about what the justification for the policy is / isn't. My assertion was based on me receiving the rationale.
I haven't been caught. I think it is possible I could be, and perhaps when that occurs, I'll update my thoughts. But, I so far think repercussions are non-existent (based on my experience), and imagine that for most places, I'd be able to do without that particular location if they became intolerant about my vaping in the location. That would be worst case scenario, and I've thought about it, and concluded, it wouldn't be a big deal to me. But reality currently is, I'm batting 1.000 by being respectful vaper I am when vaping indoors.
Cause to me a rule that says no vaping in a location is around 98% of the time unfounded. To the degree it is (somehow) legitimate, I either haven't violated the rule, or perhaps I have and thus wouldn't say it is entirely founded on a rational position. Am glad to have this discussion / debate with you or anyone that would like to have me look at something you think I might be overlooking. I'm not shy about looking at the issue directly. Let's have at it I say.
Do you ever drive over the speed limit? Ever cross a road outside a cross walk? Ever have a cigarette under the legal age? If yes, then why would you do these things that are breaking the law / rules? If the law was, no interacting with people of a different ethnicity than your own when in this diner, would you say a very good thing to follow that rule, or an okay thing to test/break that rule? Knowing that if you do test/break it, you risk never being able to go back to that place.
Better yet, if the rule at some point gets to be, no vaping in such and such outdoor location (say a public or private park) would you think it good to never test that rule? If yes, why?
I don't routinely test the rules of no vaping. I'm not say in a hospital type setting but on average of once a month (some months it may be as much as 5 times). I'm not even sure what the precise rule is, but I imagine it to be no. Of the last 5 times I was in a hospital type setting, I would say 3 of those times I vaped, twice I didn't. Likewise, of the last 5 times I drove on a highway, around 3 to 4 times I went a good 5 miles over speed limit, and at least one of those times, I went no more than 2 mph over the limit. I know my version of speeding is likely not what it is for others. After 30 years of driving, I'm yet to get a speeding ticket. I'm surprised some people have more than 2 speeding tickets. But I find driving over the speed limit to be the norm, even while it is, without a doubt, breaking the law.
Oh noes.
I don't like that call, not a very good call.
(You'd have to be a Jim Rome fan)
It is far more likely that our exhaled vaper KILLS germs, bacteria, fungus, and mold.
I have no doubt what a vaper exhales is far better than what a normal human exhales.
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I'm going to have to agree with you on this.
As I try to live my life without screwing with anyone.
I also do not tolerate being screwed with.
It may not always be the Christian way, but sometimes it's what I feel is right.
I'd tell the story of how a Giants fan disrespected my wife at a Padres game once.
Little punk in group of little punk friends.
I shut him up hard and fast.
And his little group of punk friends didn't have anything to say about it.
Am I proud of that or something?
No. It just needed to be done.
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My beliefs run more to karma... I'm not going to generate a lot of bad karma for myself just to put some idiot in their place. If they want to be an idiot to me, fine, that's THEIR karma; by simply refusing to respond, I don't generate more bad karma for myself... and also, it kinda pisses them off because they don't understand it. 
Andria
Andria
I vaped once in a hospital elevator. And this woman comes in after me and goes. OMG there is smoke! I say its just a e cig and she smiles and says, oh, okay!
I did once too. And then right as the door started opening for the ground floor, my vapor set of the fire alarm for the whole building. And then I just quickly continued where I was going (outside of the building) and pretended it wasn't me as the fire department showed up. Thankfully, I didn't get stuck in the elevator. That would have been embarassing.
EDIT: it wasn't a hosptial elevator though... but an elevator, nonetheless.
Back in my tootle puffing days, iStick and Nautilus or spinner and Iclear 30 I can't remember which I carried both at the time, I did a sneaky puff at a place which won't be mentioned. In the crapper. It was a very small puff.
Right away the shop alarm goes off and the whole building has to be evacuated.
I cannot, more importantly nobody else can, prove that it was or was not me. The timing says that it was me but it was a huge building. Zero proof either way.
So I don't put this forward for any one but me but for me I will never risk a vape of anykind in a place which could go badly for me and this place could have gone VERY badly for me.
Right away the shop alarm goes off and the whole building has to be evacuated.
I cannot, more importantly nobody else can, prove that it was or was not me. The timing says that it was me but it was a huge building. Zero proof either way.
So I don't put this forward for any one but me but for me I will never risk a vape of anykind in a place which could go badly for me and this place could have gone VERY badly for me.
Without reading through the whole thread, I will side with those that say the choice should be up to the business owner, and not the government. I feel the same way about smoking.
Did you just say vapers aren't normal humans?
LOL Nevermind - I agree!
We're all smarter than the av-er-age... hairless ape.
Andria
As far as hairless apes go, I highly doubt I'm average.We're all smarter than the av-er-age... hairless ape.
Andria
For better or for worse...
Tapatyped
I've vaped in public indoor areas, but I don't produce noticeable vape clouds. I don't vape at hospitals, nor do I care to vape at hospital smoking section. Surprisingly, alot of non smokers I talked to, shared vaping doesn't bother em at all, most like the smell of flavors. My mom is a non smoker, everytime I show up at her place, she ask's me to vape vanilla, to freshen up her home, Lol !!!!
Exactly
We have a good family friend who's had a lung removed. Makes her husband smoke outside as expected. She's very curious about my flavors and often moves closer to inhale and ask questions about them. She's mentioned on quite a few occasions that she really enjoys my "air freshener".
Tapatyped
That's been my experience too. Mom was a rabid anti-smoker, nagged me all my life. Loves the smell of my vape. Mother-in-law is allergic to cig smoke, likes the smell of my vape.
In fact, not a single person has appeared to be upset, moved away from me, or said anything negative about my vape. If anything, they're all happy for me! The only negativity I got was from an old man driving down the street - I think he thought I was "smoking something else".
Imagine an alternate world in which the smoking of tobacco never became popular, but rather nicotine was consumed through tea in liquid form, for relaxation and enjoyment ...
In that world, the population would not have been conditioned by over 50 years of anti-smoking media propaganda, and people would not switch to an irrational aggressive state when vapor is emitted from the mouth of a fellow human ...
Hon Lik develops the nicotine vaporizer, which is more convenient than boiling tea, and a more effective delivery device ...
Then Mr. Lik is awarded the Nobel Prize ...
And total strangers say "Cool ! Can you make rings with that ?" ...
In that world, the population would not have been conditioned by over 50 years of anti-smoking media propaganda, and people would not switch to an irrational aggressive state when vapor is emitted from the mouth of a fellow human ...
Hon Lik develops the nicotine vaporizer, which is more convenient than boiling tea, and a more effective delivery device ...
Then Mr. Lik is awarded the Nobel Prize ...
And total strangers say "Cool ! Can you make rings with that ?" ...
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