Ask IMAGINE & S_Steve - Thread :)

[awsum140]

I know it only a takes a couple of hours to charge the 65mm battery, but for convenience is it ok to leave it in the charger 8-9 hours overnight or while I'm at work?

You know I just opened a ticket with SI on battery problems and one of the things they mentioned was not leaving them on a charger overnight. I am amazed by that since the battery charge is actually controlled, internally, by the battery itself. Casual observation does seem to indicate that the charger gets "shut off" when the battery reaches full charge. That makes me wonder how leaving it in a charger overnight could damage the battery. Even if there is a power failure, which would simulate taking the battery off the charger and then putting it back on when power is restored, the charger should "know" that the battery is charged and not charge it any further. From my experience with other battery technologies, lead/acid, NiCAD and gel cell mainly, once a charger is "shut off" by a battery reaching full charge, it's shut off and no longer charges. That's why they're call "smart chargers", they know when the battery is charged.

 

[mudhill]

ya know i fall a sleep almost every night,with a 78mm and a x2 650 charging and i have not had any problems with any of my batteries failing.

i am not recommending this to others,,but it is what it is.

Larry

 

[Konstantine]

There is no problem with that, after charging the asic goes to trickle charging for as long as you have a power source connected. I use my batteries that way leaving them overnight.

 

[bivie]

Can't remember where I saw them, but you can get charging bags to put them in just in case
they explode or something goes wrong while you are not tending to them. The bags weren't
expensive.

 

[bluecat]

I have read many conflicting threads on whether it is safe or not. Many say it is the same as any cell phone tablet or laptop and you shouldn't do it. Probably because it is the safest. If your asleep you have a low chance of noticing.

Some weird thing makes me believe I can trust what konstantine says. He/she seems to know electric.

The bags are called lipo bags. About 2 bucks at amazon and radio shack.

 

[Konstantine]

LOL! Trust me they won't help you a lot.

 

[awsum140]

Konstantine is way more current that I am with electronics, but again, I used to build all kinds of chargers for batteries that were just as potentially explosive as lithium ion or orther lithium derivatives. Once the battery reached its target voltage the charger would shut down to either completely off, or a trickle mode depending on how the charger was designed. Given the level of "intelligence" that can be built into something as tiny as a chip today it does seem reasonable to expect that leaving them in a charger over night should not present a problem. I'll persue this further with SI through the ticket I have open with them.

 

[starsong]

I think they tell you to 'never leave a battery charging unattended' just as a CYA. I used to always charge overnight, but I guess if there is any chance at all of something going wrong, better safe than sorry. Kinda like helmets on kids riding bikes. Millions of us made it to adulthood without them, but now it is a common precaution.

 

[kia2]

I agree with Starsong on this one. The statement is often, "as with any other rechargeable battery product, such as cell phones, ipads, ipods, etc., don't leave your e-cig batteries on a charger unattended..."

It's a precaution more than anything, even if SI products do have a cutoff. It's also stems from some of the rare cases of exploding mods and faulty chargers. It could also be filed under "common sense," but so many folks take things for granted in that respect these days. Myself included.

(my )

 

[awsum140]

If it's a CYA thing, I guess I better start putting foam rubber pads on the corners of my end tables and such in case I trip and hit my head or maybe start wearing a crash helmet full time. Batteries can certainly be overcharged to the point of catching fire or exploding, no question, but my laptop is always plugged in, my cell phone charges over night, I have an emergency light that's always plugged in and just think about how many little transformer style devices get left plugged in constantly. All of them are potential fire hazards or explosion hazards. So is a gas stove and central heating that use fuel and has a chimney. Life is full of these little hazards and worrying about a one in a few million chance of a battery caused fire seems to be getting a little too concerned. Think about how many rechargeable batteries are in use, nationwide and worldwide then consider how many fires or explosions happen because of them. You have a better chance of getting hit by a grand piano falling out of a 747 flying east on a westerly wind on the fourth blue moon of the year. Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it. (no, I never rant 1stofficer LOL)

In this particular case the life span of the battery was the original question and the answer I got back seemed to indicate that leaving them on a charger would effect the life span of the battery, not burn down the house.

 

[starsong]

Cool, then I can happily go back to charging them overnight

 

[kia2]

If it's a CYA thing, I guess I better start putting foam rubber pads on the corners of my end tables and such in case I trip and hit my head or maybe start wearing a crash helmet full time. Batteries can certainly be overcharged to the point of catching fire or exploding, no question, but my laptop is always plugged in, my cell phone charges over night, I have an emergency light that's always plugged in and just think about how many little transformer style devices get left plugged in constantly. All of them are potential fire hazards or explosion hazards. So is a gas stove and central heating that use fuel and has a chimney. Life is full of these little hazards and worrying about a one in a few million chance of a battery caused fire seems to be getting a little too concerned. Think about how many rechargeable batteries are in use, nationwide and worldwide then consider how many fires or explosions happen because of them. You have a better chance of getting hit by a grand piano falling out of a 747 flying east on a westerly wind on the fourth blue moon of the year. Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it. (no, I never rant 1stofficer LOL)

In this particular case the life span of the battery was the original question and the answer I got back seemed to indicate that leaving them on a charger would effect the life span of the battery, not burn down the house.

lol.

Well, I don't know that leaving them on the charger would affect the life span adversely, as SI's batteries have a cutoff point. Maybe the ticket is the actual answer.

Serves me right for only reading a page of the answers before throwing my own into the mix.

 

[awsum140]

lol.

Well, I don't know that leaving them on the charger would affect the life span adversely, as SI's batteries have a cutoff point. Maybe the ticket is the actual answer.

Serves me right for only reading a page of the answers before throwing my own into the mix.

I always worry when I post something like that. Text on a screen doesn't carry the tone, inflection or facial expression that I experience as I write and I really worry that someone will be offended. As far as reading the whole post, welcome to the "foot in mouth club" if you think you actually deserve that, and you don't. These "threads" are really conversations and wander all over the place just like a normal conversation does, which is what makes them so good!

 

[kia2]

It takes a lot to offend me. Those that have are on ignore, heheheh, and they aren't Volties.

 

[bluecat]

LOL! Trust me they won't help you a lot.

Yeah i have seen picks with holes in the bags. Didn't look like the worked too well.

 

[bluecat]

If it's a CYA thing, I guess I better start putting foam rubber pads on the corners of my end tables and such in case I trip and hit my head or maybe start wearing a crash helmet full time. Batteries can certainly be overcharged to the point of catching fire or exploding, no question, but my laptop is always plugged in, my cell phone charges over night, I have an emergency light that's always plugged in and just think about how many little transformer style devices get left plugged in constantly. All of them are potential fire hazards or explosion hazards. So is a gas stove and central heating that use fuel and has a chimney. Life is full of these little hazards and worrying about a one in a few million chance of a battery caused fire seems to be getting a little too concerned. Think about how many rechargeable batteries are in use, nationwide and worldwide then consider how many fires or explosions happen because of them. You have a better chance of getting hit by a grand piano falling out of a 747 flying east on a westerly wind on the fourth blue moon of the year. Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it. (no, I never rant 1stofficer LOL)

In this particular case the life span of the battery was the original question and the answer I got back seemed to indicate that leaving them on a charger would effect the life span of the battery, not burn down the house.

Read me of a recent Christmas at moms. My nephew, teenage, was talking about building a potato cannon with my brother using compressed air. Of course i had to say you know what your dad myself and your other uncle used to do. We would duct take 4 or 5soup cans together. Por lighter fluid in it and then light it to fire the tennis ball out of the top. Once his dads arm caught fire. We were laughing. My sister in law said great you know what he will do now. My mom was giving me this look like you used to get when you were stiil a teenager. It was funny.

Yup i know what you are saying, mate.

 

[Harplayr]

If it's a CYA thing, I guess I better start putting foam rubber pads on the corners of my end tables and such in case I trip and hit my head or maybe start wearing a crash helmet full time. Batteries can certainly be overcharged to the point of catching fire or exploding, no question, but my laptop is always plugged in, my cell phone charges over night, I have an emergency light that's always plugged in and just think about how many little transformer style devices get left plugged in constantly. All of them are potential fire hazards or explosion hazards. So is a gas stove and central heating that use fuel and has a chimney. Life is full of these little hazards and worrying about a one in a few million chance of a battery caused fire seems to be getting a little too concerned. Think about how many rechargeable batteries are in use, nationwide and worldwide then consider how many fires or explosions happen because of them. You have a better chance of getting hit by a grand piano falling out of a 747 flying east on a westerly wind on the fourth blue moon of the year. Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it. (no, I never rant 1stofficer LOL)

In this particular case the life span of the battery was the original question and the answer I got back seemed to indicate that leaving them on a charger would effect the life span of the battery, not burn down the house.

I hear you.
I leave evrything plugged in and my insurance policy is paid in full so I sleep well at night.

Does State Farm pay out in Volt points?

 

[Imagine]

charging them overnight is not an issue for the VOLT battery but presents a fire hazard.

 

[Baptyzmbyf1re]

I hear you.
I leave evrything plugged in and my insurance policy is paid in full so I sleep well at night.

Does State Farm pay out in Volt points?

No State Farm does not, but I heard the cash to Volt point ratio is pretty good!

 

[Konstantine]

charging them overnight is not an issue for the VOLT battery but presents a fire hazard.

As with any device who didn't passed extensive tests (TUV, CE, DES etc) When i leave the house i unplug all chargers or strange devices. Household appliances are ok.
My lab has many things plugged and i have a master switch on the lens-lamp i have, when i switch off the lamp the whole lab switches off.

Remember, the CE sign on e-cigs is NOT the Conformité Européenne sign used in Europe (would seem to be even useless in US) but it's the China Export sign, which means none of these devices are certified for anything. That goes for all e-cigs.
Even the RoHS sign seems to be false since i can see shiny solder connections (non lead connections do not shine).