Attack of the (Kayfun v4) Clones!

[pocariboy73]

For what it worth this is my take on it. You can buy a VW Karmann Ghia much cheaper than a Porsche 911, but don't eclectic to judge the performance of the 911 from driving the Karman Ghia. If you buy a clone be happy with what you paid for it. Having watched PBusardo's review on YouTube about dozen times was convincing enough for me. Like many have said, with all the precision parts of the authentic any attempt at an exact duplicate would surly cost much more than the prices the clones are being offered at. My best friend owns and operates Microform, a precision machine shop. The machines cost in the hundreds of thousands each. Add in MR&D, design, testing, labor and quality control, and you have a product that sells itself.
I've read enough clone reviews to see this is not the type of device you manufacturer cheep and expect to have a quality product.
It took me a while searching the Internet across the country, but I finally found one and was satisfied with the inflated price I paid. Should be here tomorrow.

Well said. Basically, you get what you pay for. Especially, as you very well put it, there are many precision made parts involved with the Kayfun V4, and the many Chinese clone factories are pushing them out the door, with little, if any, quality control. In time, this will fix itself.

Unlike any other RBA, the Kayfun V4 is much more intricate and must be made with absolute care and control.

 

[dwcraig1]

The Tobeco is pretty much spot on and in the same price range as the other clones. So it must be not much of a challenge.

 

[pocariboy73]

By the way Dwcraig1, your shim fix was the magic post which fixed my Kayfun. Thanks a million for posting that and the pics.

I used a Coke can and placed the shim in there. After that, I could tightendown like **** that IMPORTANT #9 screw, and still have the Juice Control Ring spin with att. Before, it wouldn't budge unless the #9 screw was loose as well as the 510 bottom pin, resulting in massive ohm fluctuations and E-Liquid all over my fingers.

Again, thanks my friend...

 

[Monotremata]

The Tobeco is pretty much spot on and in the same price range as the other clones. So it must be not much of a challenge.

Some folks seem to think the only clones around are the crappy FT ones or something heh.. My two Tobecos rule.

 

[pocariboy73]

The Tobeco is pretty much spot on and in the same price range as the other clones. So it must be not much of a challenge.

Tobeco, unlike most of the other clone companies, took it's time to release the Kayfun V4 thus had it more or less down pat as what to do, and what not to do.

The others, rushed like heck, made millions of short-term money, but will either need to adjust their quality control issues immediately, or big distributors like FastTech will buy elsewhere. In any event, those fly-by-night backwater Chinese machine shops managed to scrape in millions of $$ from us folk who just had to have one asap.

Just my two cents....

 

[Steamer861]

I used to get on my high horse and say OH clones weren't good enough for me and Authentic's were of higher quality and you get what you paid for.
But in reality it's not True! I have 2 Authentic KFL+'s and 2 Clones, Sure my 2 authentic's are a little better fit and Finnish and the threads are a bit better But guess what? All 4 Vape the same! and after a year now there all holding up equally well! You can pay 180 bucks but don't fool yourself your not getting that much more for your money

 

[Juggernaut666]

Gear best version. No idea who the manufacturer is..... haven't had a chance to build it yet, but I'll get to it this weekend. Seems pretty solid, threads are smooth, machining actually looks well done to. Will get better pics later. Haven't read a whole lot of this thread to keep my anticipation of buying one down. And for what it's worth gear best makes fast tech look like the fastest delivery company in the universe. Ordered this back in early December and just came in today.

sent using a sonic screwdriver

 

[TheKiwi]

.......n it. This is specifically a clone thread. There's enough of endless back and forth clone vs auth "debate". Leave it outta here.


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[ricks]

.......n it. This is specifically a clone thread. There's enough of endless back and forth clone vs auth "debate". Leave it outta here.


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LMAO.... To funny!

 

[TheKiwi]

LMAO.... To funny!

It's just astounding. First thread for an atty starts. OG users in. Clone users come in. OG uses starts complaining about clones. Clone users respect that and move on to a clone thread. AND STILL some of them will still wanna come over to the clone thread and call it chinese junks or feel a need to justify buying an authentic and yada yada. It's just so unnecessary. I own way more authentics than I have clones, and have never felt the need to talk that up, or put down clones. It's just silly, rude and pointless


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[ricks]

The Tobeco is as good as the authentic.

 

[ricks]

It's just astounding. First thread for an atty starts. OG users in. Clone users come in. OG uses starts complaining about clones. Clone users respect that and move on to a clone thread. AND STILL some of them will still wanna come over to the clone thread and call it chinese junks or feel a need to justify buying an authentic and yada yada. It's just so unnecessary. I own way more authentics than I have clones, and have never felt the need to talk that up, or put down clones. It's just silly, rude and pointless


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It takes a certain kind of person to act like that. I can't say it here tho.

 

[Almazick]

It's just funny reading the thread starting a war Anywho, if you paid $180 and it feels for you that it works better then it's good for you. It's just like putting a racing stripe on a car which feels like, it might give an extra 20 horse power. I paid for my Tobeco $20 shipped and trust me I'm not getting anything less than what you paid for $180. My clone is perfect in every way and it works the same or even better than what some people paid $180 because I have no problems with it. The only difference I still have an extra $160 in my wallet to spend on something else.

 

[Juokorow]

View attachment 406192Better pix of my 2 Tobecos

Where did you buy the clear tip? Like it!

 

[ricks]

Where did you buy the clear tip? Like it!

Fasttech... It's a flat tip

 

[Juokorow]

The seemingly complicated design is what was putting me off on ordering one of these. I mean, Kayfuns are "classics" so I really kind of one want version but was looking more at a 3.1 or KFL+ because it just seemed a lot simpler to deal with. This comment made it seem a bit less intimidating, though, so maybe I should pick one up? I'm only really working with a Lemo right now (which is great for me) so my rebuilding experience is pretty limited. Would I have a lot of problems with it do you think?

Tobeco Kayfun V4 is my first rebuildable. Using ample information on YouTube and this thread, I have not found it too complicated to breakdown, assemble or build. It might just be my newbie enthusiasm! I simply love my SS and look forward to getting the black.

 

[ricks]

Tobeco Kayfun V4 is my first rebuildable. Using ample information on YouTube and this thread, I have not found it too complicated to breakdown, assemble or build. It might just be my newbie enthusiasm! I simply love my SS and look forward to getting the black.

These are pretty cool. I love both colors on my zna clone also.

 

[speedemon]

I've been reading this thread and I'm totally confused by what I'm reading. Leaking and improper fitting orings. I've had no such problems.

I have one Tobeco K4 clone that I've been using about two weeks now with no issues at all. No leaking, nothing. My only complaint with the Tobeco clone is that other than an extra spring I was disappointed it came with no spare parts.

Now I also have 2 of this clone. Kayfun v4 Rebuildable Atomizer Clone. **IN STOCK**
I don't know who makes this clone but my opinion is that it seems perfect. Just a little better quality than the Tobeco with lots of extra parts.
Using these 3 clones at builds from 1.4 to 1.9 ohms with no issues. No leaking from any of them, the threading and juice controls work as they are supposed to work. Top filling is no problem on any of them as they all have flats spots on the fill cap threads, so I can assume that these other two clones are not Ephros.

One other thing is that when I bought my Provari P3 from the classies I also got a real K4 P3 adapter from the seller. It fits and works on these clones with no problems or issues. So I would say that these clones must be very close, if not, 1:1 copies. I don't have any originals to compare but they seem to work and behave exactly like the real thing I watched in P. Busardo's review. Watching his review showed me exactly how to use mine. I see no differences. I have used these on multiple devices. The only thing I haven't tried yet is doing a Ni200 coil build on any of them yet.

I have the black version from code,i agree great tank no issues. There black one is awesome looking with the silver band and logo on it. Now I need to find the adaptor for the p3 for hybrid mode thanks for the info that it works. And the black one I got also has the red O-rings.

 

[Elyptic]

Honestly, I'm liking my Tobeco better than my more expensive "authentic" attys. The airflow suits me, it's easy to build and fill and the flavor from my juices is spot on. In fact, I reach for it over my Lemo, my authentic Kayfun and my Russian 91%. It just works. And if I can get that in a $20 package, then what's not to like?

This is the first atty I've debated buying a second one of.


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[redordead]

Built my first v4 this morning, it's the ehpro clone. Bottom filled as my top cap is without the flat threading, have ordered some off FT. First impressions of this clone is that it's very well built, apart from above issue.

This is an extremely easy rta to build imho. looking forward to building a dual coil setup. Good stuff!