Authentic Svoemesto Kayfun Prime

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Okay I just found out that I’m not crazy after all. It appears that the guy from the vapour store gave me 20 gauge in stead of 28 gauge. Being the newby that I am I didn’t realise that higher gauge meant thinner wire. He must have heard me wrong. Well glad thats sorted out.. pff i nearly destroyed this tank working woth the 20 gauge.


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That must've been a workout, bending that stuff! Easy to count the wraps without a magnifier, though.
I've never worked with anything less than 26ga, and it seems huge to me, compared to 28ga.! So you used an electrician's conduit bending device?;)
 
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That must've been a workout, bending that stuff! Easy to count the wraps without a magnifier, though.
I've never worked with anything less that 26ga, and it seems huge to me, compared to 28ga.! So you used an electrician's conduit bending device?;)

All this time i was thinking “ waw what strong hands do these youtube vapors have” hahaha


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All this time i was thinking “ waw what strong hands do these youtube vapors have” hahaha


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I thought the 24 was already soo easy to work with compared to the 20. Now the 28 is going to feel like working with spaghetti or smt.


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Hey, Bronze- wondering what mod you're liking the TC on, and what build? I remember seeing one of your posts, and you use a small mod, which I prefer. I've tried TC on the Zelos with 316ss, and just didn't like it. Seems like it ramps up super quick to the set temp, then almost stops once it gets there. So I get a really hot, then cooled down vape. I think on some TC mods you can specify a hard/soft/medium TC ramp up? I don't remember which ones.
Maybe it' just my style doesn't fit TC, and I would need to change it for it to work - I tend to take a pretty low wattage vape with a priming puff, then a 5-6 second controlled mtl draw to give it time to get a full dense "mouthful."
I use my Prime on the JAC Series-B, DNA 75. Nice small, compact mod. Sturdily built and has the Evolv DNA chipset in it. Works wonderfully. I wrap a 7-wrap, 2.0mm diameter, 26 gauge, SS spaced coil. Comes to 0.5 ohms +/- a little. I'm set at 430 degrees. Ramp up might be more a factor of the watts you set it at. The higher the watts the quicker it gets up to temp. I have mine set at 17.5 watts. Play around with your wattage setting. Try 8 watts and see what happens. I used to take two or three primer puffs using kanthal in power mode. When I switched to TC I quit doing that. Just one puff. So yes, I changed my vaping style. Got used to it fairly quick.

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Nice looking mod, and I've heard nothing but good about DNA, especially temp control.
I had thought that when I put my mod in TC, it ignored all the other settings except temp. But you're saying it should use the wattage setting as the watts used to achieve the temp, I guess. Don't know why I never thought of that, but it makes a lot of sense (head slap). I'm going to play with it a little later to see if that works. Would be nice to quit the priming puffs- that'd save battery & juice, and be more like the smoking style I was used to before. Thanks for the info!
 

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Nice looking mod, and I've heard nothing but good about DNA, especially temp control.
I had thought that when I put my mod in TC, it ignored all the other settings except temp. But you're saying it should use the wattage setting as the watts used to achieve the temp, I guess. Don't know why I never thought of that, but it makes a lot of sense (head slap). I'm going to play with it a little later to see if that works. Would be nice to quit the priming puffs- that'd save battery & juice, and be more like the smoking style I was used to before. Thanks for the info!
Yep, the watts is what will get you up to temp (regardless if you're in TC or regular power mode) so it stands to reason that if you apply a small amount of wattage it will take longer to ramp up. Some mods (including Provari) added a "boost" feature to their mods. When in power mode, the "boost" would provide an initial surge of power above your setting to quickly ramp up the heat of the coil so you didn't have to wait. After a fraction of a second the wattage would settle back down to your setting. I personally like it to get up to temp quickly. Some set their wattage to the max of their mod when in TC. I get too much popping and snapping when I do that so I keep it at 17.5 watts. Ramps it up nicely and less popping. Every set up is different so you'll have to experiment what works on yours. The one difference between power mode and TC is that you don't have to let off the fire button in TC. With power mode we would manually adjust the temp by letting on/off the fire button while taking a drag. No need to do that in TC. Press, hold, release when you're happy. :)
 

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Yep, the watts is what will get you up to temp (regardless if you're in TC or regular power mode) so it stands to reason that if you apply a small amount of wattage it will take longer to ramp up. Some mods (including Provari) added a "boost" feature to their mods. When in power mode, the "boost" would provide an initial surge of power above your setting to quickly ramp up the heat of the coil so you didn't have to wait. After a fraction of a second the wattage would settle back down to your setting. I personally like it to get up to temp quickly. Some set their wattage to the max of their mod when in TC. I get too much popping and snapping when I do that so I keep it at 17.5 watts. Ramps it up nicely and less popping. Every set up is different so you'll have to experiment what works on yours. The one difference between power mode and TC is that you don't have to let off the fire button in TC. With power mode we would manually adjust the temp by letting on/off the fire button while taking a drag. No need to do that in TC. Press, hold, release when you're happy. :)
Hey, sorry - don't mean to derail the thread, but that original piece of advice about adjusting temp before going into tc mode was huge! I had no idea. Ignorant of me, I guess - I'd been looking at TC threads, researching mods for a ramp-up feature, etc., and just figured maybe TC wasn't for me. I never saw anything about using the watt setting to determine ramp up.

Just been trying it, and it's weird - I have to set the watts down to around 7 (I could never get a decent hit at that level in watt mode), and temp to 200C, and it's getting pretty close. Still a little warmer than I'd like the first second or so, but I could probably get used to that. Able to get a full hit without priming, and I don't need paced, 5-6 second hit. It might take more getting used to for me than most, since I really prefer a low watt, cooler vape. But it'll be a lot easier to take a decent drag without manipulating the time and pace of the hit.

Only problem now is that I've taken so many hits playing with it, that I've probably vaped as much as I would have over the next 4-5 hours!:) Thanks again!
 

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Okay I just found out that I’m not crazy after all. It appears that the guy from the vapour store gave me 20 gauge in stead of 28 gauge. Being the newby that I am I didn’t realise that higher gauge meant thinner wire. He must have heard me wrong. Well glad thats sorted out.. pff i nearly destroyed this tank working woth the 20 gauge.


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Even 24g is kind of thick for this tank, because your resistance will be kind of to low. Yes it wouldn't matter much in an rda, where you have the room, or can crank up the power to feed a thicker coil, but in most kayfuns, 26 to 28g is best....
Also because your vaping on the tightest af hole, you may want to be on a lower wattage setting, I probably wouldn't vape over 20 watts on that setting, but on the most open setting it's ok....
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Even 24g is kind of thick for this tank, because your resistance will be kind of to low. Yes it wouldn't matter much in an rda, where you have the room, or can crank up the power to feed a thicker coil, but in most kayfuns, 26 to 28g is best....

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I've even gone with 2-wire twisted 29g...seems to give a little boost in flavor with some juices.
 

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Hey @Bronze...as you are a big supporter of the JAC75, is there a thread where it is being discussed?

I vape at 25-30W, and use several Radius and BBox Rev4 units throughout the week...but I'm thinking of picking up a JAC, based on your regular mention of it...and from seeing some familiar ECF names in the reviews section of the JAC website.
 

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Hey @Bronze...as you are a big supporter of the JAC75, is there a thread where it is being discussed?

I vape at 25-30W, and use several Radius and BBox Rev4 units throughout the week...but I'm thinking of picking up a JAC, based on your regular mention of it...and from seeing some familiar ECF names in the reviews section of the JAC website.
Yes HB. It's here and you will recognize some of the names.

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Even 24g is kind of thick for this tank, because your resistance will be kind of to low. Yes it wouldn't matter much in an rda, where you have the room, or can crank up the power to feed a thicker coil, but in most kayfuns, 26 to 28g is best....
Also because your vaping on the tightest af hole, you may want to be on a lower wattage setting, I probably wouldn't vape over 20 watts on that setting, but on the most open setting it's ok....
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At the moment in using 9 wraps of 28g wire with an inner diameter of 2.5 mm. im getting 0.94 ohms. I dont understand what im doing wrong. Really would like to reach something like 1.4 ohms. Could it be the legs length?


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At the moment in using 9 wraps of 28g wire with an inner diameter of 2.5 mm. im getting 0.94 ohms. I dont understand what im doing wrong. Really would like to reach something like 1.4 ohms. Could it be the legs length?


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Hmmmm. Are you sure it is 28 guage? And sure it's a 2.5mm? With 8 wraps on the 2.5mm I get 1.4/1.5 every time. There must be something not right with yours.
 

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At the moment in using 9 wraps of 28g wire with an inner diameter of 2.5 mm. im getting 0.94 ohms. I dont understand what im doing wrong. Really would like to reach something like 1.4 ohms. Could it be the legs length?


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What kind of wire?
 
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At the moment in using 9 wraps of 28g wire with an inner diameter of 2.5 mm. im getting 0.94 ohms. I dont understand what im doing wrong. Really would like to reach something like 1.4 ohms. Could it be the legs length?


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No leg lenghts are usually included to what everyone else gets....maybe your using SS wire, if so, it has a lower resistance. ....8 wraps of kanthal at 2.5 should be closer to 1.4 ish....you also could be using a 2mm rod instead of 2.5, or perhaps using 26g kanthal? If I had to guess, by your numbers, I would say your using 26g kanthal, because at 2.5 coil and 8 wraps, it would be around 1 ohm......if this is the case, I would drop a wrap or two, to get around .7 ohms, this way it would heat faster...if you really want 1.4 ohms, you need 28g. I mean 8 wraps of 26g could just be a little to much mass and lenght, but it should vape pretty good

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